The anguish of my spirit.

[Ramon]

1 Is there not an appointed time to man upon earth? are not his days also like the days of an hireling? *
2 As a servant earnestly desireth the shadow, and as an hireling looketh for the reward of his work: *
3 So am I made to possess months of vanity, and wearisome nights are appointed to me.
4 When I lie down, I say, When shall I arise, and the night be gone? and I am full of tossings to and fro unto the dawning of the day. *
5 My flesh is clothed with worms and clods of dust; my skin is broken, and become loathsome.
6 My days are swifter than a weaver's shuttle, and are spent without hope.

7 O remember that my life is wind: mine eye shall no more see good. * *
8 The eye of him that hath seen me shall see me no more: thine eyes are upon me, and I am not. *
9 As the cloud is consumed and vanisheth away: so he that goeth down to the grave shall come up no more.
10 He shall return no more to his house, neither shall his place know him any more.
11 Therefore I will not refrain my mouth; I will speak in the anguish of my spirit; I will complain in the bitterness of my soul.

12 Am I a sea, or a whale, that thou settest a watch over me?
13 When I say, My bed shall comfort me, my couch shall ease my complaint;
14 Then thou scarest me with dreams, and terrifiest me through visions:
15 So that my soul chooseth strangling, and death rather than my life. *

16 I loathe it; I would not live alway: let me alone; for my days are vanity.
17 What is man, that thou shouldest magnify him? and that thou shouldest set thine heart upon him?
18 And that thou shouldest visit him every morning, and try him every moment?
19 How long wilt thou not depart from me, nor let me alone till I swallow down my spittle?

20 I have sinned; what shall I do unto thee, O thou preserver of men? why hast thou set me as a mark against thee, so that I am a burden to myself?
21 And why dost thou not pardon my transgression, and take away mine iniquity? for now shall I sleep in the dust; and thou shalt seek me in the morning, but I shall not be.
Job 7

 

[zone]

what's your point Ramon?
and what's the hidden message with the asterisks? *****

if you have something to say, say it.
how many mystery threads do you need to quote scripture that don't make a direct point concerning your reason for posting?

 

[4runner]

what's your point Ramon?
and what's the hidden message with the asterisks? *****

if you have something to say, say it.
how many mystery threads do you need to quote scripture that don't make a direct point concerning your reason for posting?

Yeah, how dare he post scripture in a Bible forum....what was he thinking????????

 

[unclefester]

what's your point Ramon?
and what's the hidden message with the asterisks? *****

if you have something to say, say it.
how many mystery threads do you need to quote scripture that don't make a direct point concerning your reason for posting?

I'd like to know what his point is as well. Maybe prophets don't need one ?

 

[unclefester]

Yeah, how dare he post scripture in a Bible forum....what was he thinking????????

Well Rabbi.....you're the "teacher", aren't you ? Why don't you tell us what his point is ?

 

[yaright]

I'd like to know what his point is as well. Maybe prophets don't need one ?

Ramon has said he is searching, knowing there is something missing. "As you speak, don't you also learn?"

The more our friend Ramon speaks of these things that are foreign to a man until he considers them in his life, will certainly change him one step at a time. I don't see him as a prophet, I see Ramon as a friend struggling with the Word of God, like an Old Testament man wrestled with an Angel, because he wanted to know.

If posting things from the bible, sharing these things with others, helps him even a little; I will encourage him a lot.

It is well known that when a person who has little knowledge, begins to teach; he will learn much faster than if he kept his mouth shut for lack of knowledge.

"As you speak, don't you also learn?"

 

[unclefester]

Ramon has said he is searching, knowing there is something missing. "As you speak, don't you also learn?"

The more our friend Ramon speaks of these things that are foreign to a man until he considers them in his life, will certainly change him one step at a time. I don't see him as a prophet, I see Ramon as a friend struggling with the Word of God, like an Old Testament man wrestled with an Angel, because he wanted to know.

If posting things from the bible, sharing these things with others, helps him even a little; I will encourage him a lot.

It is well known that when a person who has little knowledge, begins to teach; he will learn much faster than if he kept his mouth shut for lack of knowledge.

"As you speak, don't you also learn?"

Is this what Ramon told you that his reasons are for doing this Yaright ? If so, I'm happy to hear it.

 

[loveschild]

Yeah, how dare he post scripture in a Bible forum....what was he thinking????????

Oh gosh good one. My dear God help us..********

 

[loveschild]

1 Is there not an appointed time to man upon earth? are not his days also like the days of an hireling? *
2 As a servant earnestly desireth the shadow, and as an hireling looketh for the reward of his work: *
3 So am I made to possess months of vanity, and wearisome nights are appointed to me.
4 When I lie down, I say, When shall I arise, and the night be gone? and I am full of tossings to and fro unto the dawning of the day. *
5 My flesh is clothed with worms and clods of dust; my skin is broken, and become loathsome.
6 My days are swifter than a weaver's shuttle, and are spent without hope.

7 O remember that my life is wind: mine eye shall no more see good. * *
8 The eye of him that hath seen me shall see me no more: thine eyes are upon me, and I am not. *
9 As the cloud is consumed and vanisheth away: so he that goeth down to the grave shall come up no more.
10 He shall return no more to his house, neither shall his place know him any more.
11 Therefore I will not refrain my mouth; I will speak in the anguish of my spirit; I will complain in the bitterness of my soul.

12 Am I a sea, or a whale, that thou settest a watch over me?
13 When I say, My bed shall comfort me, my couch shall ease my complaint;
14 Then thou scarest me with dreams, and terrifiest me through visions:
15 So that my soul chooseth strangling, and death rather than my life. *

16 I loathe it; I would not live alway: let me alone; for my days are vanity.
17 What is man, that thou shouldest magnify him? and that thou shouldest set thine heart upon him?
18 And that thou shouldest visit him every morning, and try him every moment?
19 How long wilt thou not depart from me, nor let me alone till I swallow down my spittle?

20 I have sinned; what shall I do unto thee, O thou preserver of men? why hast thou set me as a mark against thee, so that I am a burden to myself?
21 And why dost thou not pardon my transgression, and take away mine iniquity? for now shall I sleep in the dust; and thou shalt seek me in the morning, but I shall not be.
Job 7

Yes we are going through troubled times. Thank you Ramon.

 

[loveschild]

I'd like to know what his point is as well. Maybe prophets don't need one ?

Read the title.

 

[unclefester]

Oh gosh good one. My dear God help us..********

Calling all cars (Demonbusters)........Calling all cars (Demonbusters) ..........fugitives (demons) on the loose (Zone n' Fester). Must be apprehended. Request back-up asap. Only those that speak heavenly gibberish asked to respond.


***.....my apologies to those whom I cherish here. I am not yet perfected in the flesh. Sometimes I can't stomach what I see here. Not pretty......but true.

 

[Ramon]

what's your point Ramon?
and what's the hidden message with the asterisks? *****

if you have something to say, say it.
how many mystery threads do you need to quote scripture that don't make a direct point concerning your reason for posting?

The asterisks come out that way from the bible program I use to post the scriptures from. I did not put them there.

May Jesus bless you.

 

[Ramon]

I'd like to know what his point is as well. Maybe prophets don't need one ?

The point is this man Job, had that same anguish that I feel. This is also the anguish of my spirit.

May Jesus bless you.

 

[Abiding]

Do you maybe mean your soul?
cant see how it can come from the spirit.

 

[zone]

Yes we are going through troubled times. Thank you Ramon.

Job 38
The Lord Answers Job
1Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind and said:
2 “Who is this that darkens counsel by words without knowledge?
3 Dress for actiona like a man;
I will question you, and you make it known to me.
4 “Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth?
Tell me, if you have understanding.
5 Who determined its measurements—surely you know!
Or who stretched the line upon it?
6 On what were its bases sunk,
or who laid its cornerstone,
7 when the morning stars sang together
and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
8 “Or who shut in the sea with doors
when it burst out from the womb,
9 when I made clouds its garment
and thick darkness its swaddling band,
10 and prescribed limits for it
and set bars and doors,
11 and said, ‘Thus far shall you come, and no farther,
and here shall your proud waves be stayed’?
12 “Have you commanded the morning since your days began,
and caused the dawn to know its place,
13 that it might take hold of the skirts of the earth,
and the wicked be shaken out of it?
14 It is changed like clay under the seal,
and its features stand out like a garment.
15 From the wicked their light is withheld,
and their uplifted arm is broken.
16 “Have you entered into the springs of the sea,
or walked in the recesses of the deep?
17 Have the gates of death been revealed to you,
or have you seen the gates of deep darkness?
18 Have you comprehended the expanse of the earth?
Declare, if you know all this.
19 “Where is the way to the dwelling of light,
and where is the place of darkness,
20 that you may take it to its territory
and that you may discern the paths to its home?
21 You know, for you were born then,
and the number of your days is great!
22 “Have you entered the storehouses of the snow,
or have you seen the storehouses of the hail,
23 which I have reserved for the time of trouble,
for the day of battle and war?
24 What is the way to the place where the light is distributed,
or where the east wind is scattered upon the earth?
25 “Who has cleft a channel for the torrents of rain
and a way for the thunderbolt,
26 to bring rain on a land where no man is,
on the desert in which there is no man,
27 to satisfy the waste and desolate land,
and to make the ground sprout with grass?
28 “Has the rain a father,
or who has begotten the drops of dew?
29 From whose womb did the ice come forth,
and who has given birth to the frost of heaven?
30 The waters become hard like stone,
and the face of the deep is frozen.
31 “Can you bind the chains of the Pleiades
or loose the cords of Orion?
32 Can you lead forth the Mazzarothb in their season,
or can you guide the Bear with its children?
33 Do you know the ordinances of the heavens?
Can you establish their rule on the earth?
34 “Can you lift up your voice to the clouds,
that a flood of waters may cover you?
35 Can you send forth lightnings, that they may go
and say to you, ‘Here we are’?
36 Who has put wisdom in the inward parts
or given understanding to the mind?
37 Who can number the clouds by wisdom?
Or who can tilt the waterskins of the heavens,
38 when the dust runs into a mass
and the clods stick fast together?
39 “Can you hunt the prey for the lion,
or satisfy the appetite of the young lions,
40 when they crouch in their dens
or lie in wait in their thicket?
41 Who provides for the raven its prey,
when its young ones cry to God for help,
and wander about for lack of food?

1 “Do you know when the mountain goats give birth?
Do you observe the calving of the does?
2 Can you number the months that they fulfill,
and do you know the time when they give birth,
3 when they crouch, bring forth their offspring,
and are delivered of their young?
4 Their young ones become strong; they grow up in the open;
they go out and do not return to them.
5 “Who has let the wild donkey go free?
Who has loosed the bonds of the swift donkey,
6 to whom I have given the arid plain for his home
and the salt land for his dwelling place?
7 He scorns the tumult of the city;
he hears not the shouts of the driver.
8 He ranges the mountains as his pasture,
and he searches after every green thing.
9 “Is the wild ox willing to serve you?
Will he spend the night at your manger?
10 Can you bind him in the furrow with ropes,
or will he harrow the valleys after you?
11 Will you depend on him because his strength is great,
and will you leave to him your labor?
12 Do you have faith in him that he will return your grain
and gather it to your threshing floor?
13 “The wings of the ostrich wave proudly,
but are they the pinions and plumage of love?a
14 For she leaves her eggs to the earth
and lets them be warmed on the ground,
15 forgetting that a foot may crush them
and that the wild beast may trample them.
16 She deals cruelly with her young, as if they were not hers;
though her labor be in vain, yet she has no fear,
17 because God has made her forget wisdom
and given her no share in understanding.
18 When she rouses herself to flee,b
she laughs at the horse and his rider.
19 “Do you give the horse his might?
Do you clothe his neck with a mane?
20 Do you make him leap like the locust?
His majestic snorting is terrifying.
21 He pawsc in the valley and exults in his strength;
he goes out to meet the weapons.
22 He laughs at fear and is not dismayed;
he does not turn back from the sword.
23 Upon him rattle the quiver,
the flashing spear, and the javelin.
24 With fierceness and rage he swallows the ground;
he cannot stand still at the sound of the trumpet.
25 When the trumpet sounds, he says ‘Aha!’
He smells the battle from afar,
the thunder of the captains, and the shouting.
26 “Is it by your understanding that the hawk soars
and spreads his wings toward the south?
27 Is it at your command that the eagle mounts up
and makes his nest on high?
28 On the rock he dwells and makes his home,
on the rocky crag and stronghold.
29 From there he spies out the prey;
his eyes behold it from far away.
30 His young ones suck up blood,
and where the slain are, there is he.”

1And the Lord said to Job:
2 “Shall a faultfinder contend with the Almighty?
He who argues with God, let him answer it.”

Job Promises Silence
3Then Job answered the Lord and said:
4 “Behold, I am of small account; what shall I answer you?
I lay my hand on my mouth.
5 I have spoken once, and I will not answer;
twice, but I will proceed no further.”

The Lord Challenges Job
6Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind and said:
7 “Dress for actiona like a man;
I will question you, and you make it known to me.
8 Will you even put me in the wrong?
Will you condemn me that you may be in the right?
9 Have you an arm like God,
and can you thunder with a voice like his?
10 “Adorn yourself with majesty and dignity;
clothe yourself with glory and splendor.
11 Pour out the overflowings of your anger,
and look on everyone who is proud and abase him.
12 Look on everyone who is proud and bring him low
and tread down the wicked where they stand.
13 Hide them all in the dust together;
bind their faces in the world below.b
14 Then will I also acknowledge to you
that your own right hand can save you.
15 “Behold, Behemoth,c
which I made as I made you;
he eats grass like an ox.
16 Behold, his strength in his loins,
and his power in the muscles of his belly.
17 He makes his tail stiff like a cedar;
the sinews of his thighs are knit together.
18 His bones are tubes of bronze,
his limbs like bars of iron.
19 “He is the first of the worksd of God;
let him who made him bring near his sword!
20 For the mountains yield food for him
where all the wild beasts play.
21 Under the lotus plants he lies,
in the shelter of the reeds and in the marsh.
22 For his shade the lotus trees cover him;
the willows of the brook surround him.
23 Behold, if the river is turbulent he is not frightened;
he is confident though Jordan rushes against his mouth.
24 Can one take him by his eyes,e
or pierce his nose with a snare?


cont............

 

[Ramon]

Do you maybe mean your soul?
cant see how it can come from the spirit.

I can feel the war over my soul. It is this flesh which is contrary to my spirit. I can feel the tug. It is my spirit that is in anguish. Because my spirit desires to worship God in a pure way, but my flesh is defiled. My flesh cannot know God the way my spirit hopes to worship him. This is the true worship.

This flesh cannot stand in the presence of the Lord, even if it could, not for long. This flesh has to be put off entirely. Because the spirit is pure, but the flesh is not pure. I have always longed to worship God truly. I did not know what it was called before, but I wanted to worship God the way David tried to worship. His clothes were a hindrance to his spirit. Even his body was a hindrance. If anything, he would have danced his spirit right out of his flesh, until it was purely his spirit rejoicing in the Holy Spirit.

There is a worship deep inside of me, that if it were to come out, no man, nor the flesh could contain it.

May Jesus bless you.

 

[zone]

1 a “Can you draw out Leviathanb with a fishhook
or press down his tongue with a cord?
2 Can you put a rope in his nose
or pierce his jaw with a hook?
3 Will he make many pleas to you?
Will he speak to you soft words?
4 Will he make a covenant with you
to take him for your servant forever?
5 Will you play with him as with a bird,
or will you put him on a leash for your girls?
6 Will traders bargain over him?
Will they divide him up among the merchants?
7 Can you fill his skin with harpoons
or his head with fishing spears?
8 Lay your hands on him;
remember the battle—you will not do it again!
9 c Behold, the hope of a man is false;
he is laid low even at the sight of him.
10 No one is so fierce that he dares to stir him up.
Who then is he who can stand before me?
11 Who has first given to me, that I should repay him?
Whatever is under the whole heaven is mine.
12 “I will not keep silence concerning his limbs,
or his mighty strength, or his goodly frame.
13 Who can strip off his outer garment?
Who would come near him with a bridle?
14 Who can open the doors of his face?
Around his teeth is terror.
15 His back is made ofd rows of shields,
shut up closely as with a seal.
16 One is so near to another
that no air can come between them.
17 They are joined one to another;
they clasp each other and cannot be separated.
18 His sneezings flash forth light,
and his eyes are like the eyelids of the dawn.
19 Out of his mouth go flaming torches;
sparks of fire leap forth.
20 Out of his nostrils comes forth smoke,
as from a boiling pot and burning rushes.
21 His breath kindles coals,
and a flame comes forth from his mouth.
22 In his neck abides strength,
and terror dances before him.
23 The folds of his flesh stick together,
firmly cast on him and immovable.
24 His heart is hard as a stone,
hard as the lower millstone.
25 When he raises himself up the mightye are afraid;
at the crashing they are beside themselves.
26 Though the sword reaches him, it does not avail,
nor the spear, the dart, or the javelin.
27 He counts iron as straw,
and bronze as rotten wood.
28 The arrow cannot make him flee;
for him sling stones are turned to stubble.
29 Clubs are counted as stubble;
he laughs at the rattle of javelins.
30 His underparts are like sharp potsherds;
he spreads himself like a threshing sledge on the mire.
31 He makes the deep boil like a pot;
he makes the sea like a pot of ointment.
32 Behind him he leaves a shining wake;
one would think the deep to be white-haired.
33 On earth there is not his like,
a creature without fear.
34 He sees everything that is high;
he is king over all the sons of pride.”

Job’s Confession and Repentance
1Then Job answered the Lord and said:
2 “I know that you can do all things,
and that no purpose of yours can be thwarted.
3 ‘Who is this that hides counsel without knowledge?’
Therefore I have uttered what I did not understand,
things too wonderful for me, which I did not know.
4 ‘Hear, and I will speak;
I will question you, and you make it known to me.’
5 I had heard of you by the hearing of the ear,
but now my eye sees you;
6 therefore I despise myself,
and repenta in dust and ashes.”

The Lord Rebukes Job’s Friends
7After the Lord had spoken these words to Job, the Lord said to Eliphaz the Temanite: “My anger burns against you and against your two friends, for you have not spoken of me what is right, as my servant Job has. 8Now therefore take seven bulls and seven rams and go to my servant Job and offer up a burnt offering for yourselves. And my servant Job shall pray for you, for I will accept his prayer not to deal with you according to your folly. For you have not spoken of me what is right, as my servant Job has.” 9So Eliphaz the Temanite and Bildad the Shuhite and Zophar the Naamathite went and did what the Lord had told them, and the Lord accepted Job’s prayer.

The Lord Restores Job’s Fortunes
10And the Lord restored the fortunes of Job, when he had prayed for his friends. And the Lord gave Job twice as much as he had before. 11Then came to him all his brothers and sisters and all who had known him before, and ate bread with him in his house. And they showed him sympathy and comforted him for all the evilb that the Lord had brought upon him. And each of them gave him a piece of moneyc and a ring of gold.

12And the Lord blessed the latter days of Job more than his beginning. And he had 14,000 sheep, 6,000 camels, 1,000 yoke of oxen, and 1,000 female donkeys. 13He had also seven sons and three daughters. 14And he called the name of the first daughter Jemimah, and the name of the second Keziah, and the name of the third Keren-happuch. 15And in all the land there were no women so beautiful as Job’s daughters. And their father gave them an inheritance among their brothers. 16And after this Job lived 140 years, and saw his sons, and his sons’ sons, four generations. 17And Job died, an old man, and full of days.

 

[zone]

The point is this man Job, had that same anguish that I feel. This is also the anguish of my spirit.

May Jesus bless you.

because you are listening to the wrong people who are lying ABOUT THE LORD!

 

[zone]

I can feel the war over my soul. It is this flesh which is contrary to my spirit. I can feel the tug. It is my spirit that is in anguish. Because my spirit desires to worship God in a pure way, but my flesh is defiled. My flesh cannot know God the way my spirit hopes to worship him. This is the true worship.

This flesh cannot stand in the presence of the Lord, even if it could, not for long. This flesh has to be put off entirely. Because the spirit is pure, but the flesh is not pure. I have always longed to worship God truly. I did not know what it was called before, but I wanted to worship God the way David tried to worship. His clothes were a hindrance to his spirit. Even his body was a hindrance. If anything, he would have danced his spirit right out of his flesh, until it was purely his spirit rejoicing in the Holy Spirit.

There is a worship deep inside of me, that if it were to come out, no man, nor the flesh could contain it.

May Jesus bless you.

WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOUR BODY???
Jesus has redeemed us...why isn't that enough?
REJOICE!


Job’s Confession and Repentance
1Then Job answered the Lord and said:
2 “I know that you can do all things,
and that no purpose of yours can be thwarted.
3 ‘Who is this that hides counsel without knowledge?’
Therefore I have uttered what I did not understand,
things too wonderful for me, which I did not know.
4 ‘Hear, and I will speak;
I will question you, and you make it known to me.’
5 I had heard of you by the hearing of the ear,
but now my eye sees you;
6 therefore I despise myself,
and repenta in dust and ashes.”

John 6:35
Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst.

John 6:37
All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away.

 

[Ramon]

because you are listening to the wrong people who are lying ABOUT THE LORD!

Job's friends were no help to him, because, seeing his anguish they presented that it was his sin that caused his anguish. The Lord is my judge. He knows me. He knows the anguish of my spirit. He will deliver me.

Yet, in my anguish he is my only comfort. Zone, you can give me a thousand words, but the Lord will give me the truth. I desire it from him. Only he can answer what I feel. Only he is wise enough to know it.

May Jesus bless you.