the antichrist

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In the meantime I'll provide a brief overview of my understandig on Rev13:1-2:
The beast and the dragon are not the same entity. The subject of the verses Rev13:1-2 is the beast. It is upon the beasts horns 10 crowns. It is upon the beasts heads the name of blasphemy. It is the beasts feet that are of a bear. It is the beasts mouth that as mouth of lion. It is the dragon/satan that gave the beast it’s seat power and authority. The “him, his” from these verses are referring to the beast.

When interpreting prophecy I believe we should use the definitions the unchanging God/Word gives us.
Dan7:23 tells us beasts are kingdoms. Rev12:9 and Rev20:2 tells us the dragon is satan.

Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast(kingdom) rise up out of
the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his(the kingdom’s) horns ten
crowns, and upon his (the kingdoms)heads the name of blasphemy.
Rev 13:2 And the beast(the kingdom)t which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his(the kingdom’s) feet were as the feet of a bear, and his(the kingdom’s) mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon(satan) gave him(the kingdom) his(the kingdom’s) power, and his(the kingdom’s) seat, and great authority.

Words in blue parenthesis added to clarify how I interpret this verse.
This is awesome brother. And I believe a correct interpretation considering scripture tells us beasts are kingdoms. Dan 7:23
God's Word interprets beast as kingdoms. Man interprets beasts to fit their doctrine. Think I'll take God's interpretation of beasts over man's interpretation of beasts any day.

In Christ, 1Christianwarrior316
 

loveme1

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I think we witness lot's of deception in this world, but remember God win's. Let Jesus guide us home.

Never value your life over your faith.. For this is how you will be reunited with our heavenly Father.

Jesus led the way for us, he showed us that this life is of no importance if you chase the wind.

We can overcome this world, but we must stick to what we believe. It is a daily task.

Ask yourself each day, if the Lord comes today, am I ready? if a a flesh thought enters you, then you will answer the question.
If you are excited by this thought and look up to see if he is coming, you will answer this question.

Nothing under the sun can comfort your soul, the flesh will relish, but your spirit will weaken.
Better to starve to death and meet God, than to eat well for 80 years and not.
 
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midwestbob

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Whatever as I said before continuing would be an exercise in futility
I don’t need you to answer the question, not that you would anyway.
Scripture tells us to build precept upon precept, line upon line, yet you insist on instant gratification. If you would quit with your baseless accusations and take the time to actually read and understand my posts you would see that I am attempting to answer your question by building precept upon precept, line upon line as Scripture instructs. Now if you would like to carry on this discussion respectfully in an appropriate manner I have no problem. On the other hand if you continue to demonstrate you are unwilling to take the time to see how this view is arrived at by building precept upon precept then there really is no point in continuing.

I will just Google ‘bad ass false prophets’ and your doctrine will probably just come up.
Thank you for showing your true colors again. Do you really expect to carry on a discussion that will bear fruit when you display this type of attitude and behavior?

The seven headed dragon in Rv13:1is NOT Islam the religion without a country or without a king.
You are just making that up.
Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea,
having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads
the name of blasphemy.
Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.


As the verses above show it is the beast that has seven heads not the dragon, as you incorrectly keep claiming. The beast and the dragon or not the same entity. It is the dragon that gives the beast it’s seat power and authority. The beast and the dragon are two separate entities. Before I can demonstrate to you how I arrive at islam. We must first correct your misunderstanding.

As you are led friend, as you are led.
 
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I think we witness lot's of deception in this world, but remember God win's. Let Jesus guide us home.

Never value your life over your faith.. For this is how you will be reunited with our heavenly Father.

Jesus led the way for us, he showed us that this life is of no importance if you chase the wind.

We can overcome this world, but we must stick to what we believe. It is a daily task.

Ask yourself each day, if the Lord comes today, am I ready? if a a flesh thought enters you, then you will answer the question.
If you are excited by this thought and look up to see if he is coming, you will answer this question.

Nothing under the sun can comfort your soul, the flesh will relish, but your spirit will weaken.
Better to starve to death and meet God, than to eat well for 80 years and not.
yes that is a question we should ask ourselves "If the Lord comes today, am I ready?"

Acts 1
10 And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel, 11 who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.”


God still asks us why we stand gazing up into heaven instead of doing what He has commanded us to do.
 
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Although I respect the knowladge and information in this debate
I cannot help but wonder if we worry too much about who or what the antichrist is or will be.
We are given in scripture the tools that warn us of what to watch for and disern.
For anyone that denys that Jesus Christ is Lord come in the flesh is the antichrist, seems pretty clear.
But I wonder if we might be better prepared if we worry less about who or what the antichrist is, and as Jesus said, 'keep your eyes on me"
For our greatest protection and salvation is not in looking to what is not, but looking always to what is, that we may know Him.
Looking always to Jesus Christ is Lord come in the flesh!!!!
in Jesus, God bless
pickles
2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
We wouldn’t be told about antichrists if it weren’t important. Sadly there are many misconceptions about this subject (as this thread clearly demonstrates). While it is true that many are interested in pointing a finger a finger and saying so and so is the antichrist. Others debate the subject in an effort to correct false teaching. There are only 4 verses in Scripture that use the term antichrist or antichrists.
1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
Not one of those verses (quoted above) tell us antichrist is an individual that will be a world leader. Yet many claim the beast of Rev is “the Antichrist”. Other’s claim it is the man of sin. Other’s point their finger at some political or religious leader (the flavor of the day). Meanwhile there are 1.5 billion antichrists in Islam alone. This doesn't even count the atheist neighbor down the block. The Church has been deceived into looking in the wrong place. Has the Church's looking for some individual "Antichrist", past or present, also made it look like so much buffoonery to those outside of the Church?
Satan is the father of lies. A false doctrine is nothing more then a lie. Who do you suppose it is that wants to take our attention off the literally billions of antichrists in the world? When we as Christians focus on looking for “the Antichrist” instead of focusing on the literally billions of antichrists that surround us, satan wins.
Mar 7:13Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
Considering there are countless views when it comes to eschatology as Christians it is in our best interest to make sure that the traditional doctrines we have been taught and believe are correct. Failing to do so will result in doing exactly as Christ warned against in Mark7:13 (quoted above). Is it in our best interest to diligently search for the truth about antichrists? Or should we blindly follow the doctrines we have been taught and risk making the word of God of none effect? Does it show love to correct error? While it is true that some will be offended when you try to show them the error in their doctrine. To remain silent, rather then risk offending shows no love. Some times love hurts. Is it better to have our pride wounded by being shown we are in error or do we show love by allowing people to continue in error?
 
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midwestbob

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This is awesome brother. And I believe a correct interpretation considering scripture tells us beasts are kingdoms. Dan 7:23
God's Word interprets beast as kingdoms. Man interprets beasts to fit their doctrine. Think I'll take God's interpretation of beasts over man's interpretation of beasts any day.

In Christ, 1Christianwarrior316
Thank you. The proper application of hermeneutics is key. If we are to use sound hermeneutic principles then we use the definitions God’s word provides. In the case of a beast being a kingdom we can be sure beasts are kingdoms because God’s Word (Dan7:23) tells us they are. In this case we also have history to prove God’s word true. Consistency is important if God told us beasts were kingdoms in Daniel and history proves the Word true, then we should believe beasts are kingdoms. Precpt upon precpt, line upon line and eventually we come to a true understanding.

May God bless your studies!!
 
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We are looking for a king the little horn, he comes out of the ten kings the ten horns, which come out of the forth beast. And if you were Daniel and lived in Babylon look forward and there be four more, and look backward and there be two fallen that makes seven. The seven headed dragon the seventh head the ten horns and up comes a little horn/king. I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them.

Some say he’s the pope and comes from the Christian faith.

Some say he’s a Muslim from the Islamic religion.

Some say he’s a Jew from the Jewish faith.

Some say he’s a black man that comes out from Babylon.

But whatever.

And there was given unto HIM a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies

and power was given unto HIM to continue forty [and] two months. 3 ½ years

And HE opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

And it was given unto HIM to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over the whole world .

And he shall speak [great] words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. 3 ½ years

He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

And when he comes to full power in the midst of the week

he doeth great wonders, so that HE maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by [the means of] those miracles which he had power to do.

But there be mercy.

the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred [and] threescore days. 3 ½ years

And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. 3 ½ years

He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
 
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Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea,
having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads
the name of blasphemy.
Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.


As the verses above show it is the beast that has seven heads not the dragon, as you incorrectly keep claiming. The beast and the dragon or not the same entity. It is the dragon that gives the beast it’s seat power and authority. The beast and the dragon are two separate entities. Before I can demonstrate to you how I arrive at islam. We must first correct your misunderstanding.

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The beast is the dragon its talking about one of its heads, the head with the ten horns/ten kings.

Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea,
having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads
the name of blasphemy.
Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great
 
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peterT

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Although I respect the knowladge and information in this debate.
I cannot help but wonder if we worry too much about who or what the antichrist is or will be.
We are given in scripture the tools that warn us of what to watch for and disern.
For anyone that denys that Jesus Christ is Lord come in the flesh is the antichrist, seems pretty clear.
But I wonder if we might be better prepared if we worry less about who or what the antichrist is, and as Jesus said, 'keep your eyes on me"
For our greatest protection and salvation is not in looking to what is not, but looking always to what is, that we may know Him.
Looking always to Jesus Christ is Lord come in the flesh!!!! :):):)

in Jesus, God bless
pickles
Who is worrying?

Are you worrying?

This is probably one of the only churches in the world that we can chat about bible prophecy till we are blue in the face.

Most other churches have a little book or pamphlet about what they believe, that you must ear to, to partake properly in that church

After all this is a bible discussion form, and we love to discuss bible prophecy

Matthew 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them
 
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Most other churches have a little book or pamphlet about what they believe, that you must ear to, to partake properly in that church

So do Christians, it’s called a Bible. Sadly not all have eyes to see the truth it contains or ears to understand the words.



In Christ, 1Christianwarrior316
 

pickles

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2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
We wouldn’t be told about antichrists if it weren’t important. Sadly there are many misconceptions about this subject (as this thread clearly demonstrates). While it is true that many are interested in pointing a finger a finger and saying so and so is the antichrist. Others debate the subject in an effort to correct false teaching. There are only 4 verses in Scripture that use the term antichrist or antichrists.
1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
Not one of those verses (quoted above) tell us antichrist is an individual that will be a world leader. Yet many claim the beast of Rev is “the Antichrist”. Other’s claim it is the man of sin. Other’s point their finger at some political or religious leader (the flavor of the day). Meanwhile there are 1.5 billion antichrists in Islam alone. This doesn't even count the atheist neighbor down the block. The Church has been deceived into looking in the wrong place. Has the Church's looking for some individual "Antichrist", past or present, also made it look like so much buffoonery to those outside of the Church?
Satan is the father of lies. A false doctrine is nothing more then a lie. Who do you suppose it is that wants to take our attention off the literally billions of antichrists in the world? When we as Christians focus on looking for “the Antichrist” instead of focusing on the literally billions of antichrists that surround us, satan wins.
Mar 7:13Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
Considering there are countless views when it comes to eschatology as Christians it is in our best interest to make sure that the traditional doctrines we have been taught and believe are correct. Failing to do so will result in doing exactly as Christ warned against in Mark7:13 (quoted above). Is it in our best interest to diligently search for the truth about antichrists? Or should we blindly follow the doctrines we have been taught and risk making the word of God of none effect? Does it show love to correct error? While it is true that some will be offended when you try to show them the error in their doctrine. To remain silent, rather then risk offending shows no love. Some times love hurts. Is it better to have our pride wounded by being shown we are in error or do we show love by allowing people to continue in error?
Forgive me if I gave the impression that knowladge of the antichrist has no importance. :)
My intentions were to simply point to that which is the focus and truth we are called to.
For if we seek always Jesus, and in this know Him, the antichrist will be obvious.
There is no question that the antichrist is and has been at work since Jesus asended.
One wonders as well that there will also be a central figure that will stand in the place of the antichrist as well, as scripture also points to.
I simply wanted to make the point that when one looks always to Jesus, they will not be decieved.
For here and in many places it is easy to see the antichrist at work.
For we are called not to look to our own understanding, but that given in Jesus.
In this we know Jesus Christ is Lord come in the flesh, thus, the antichrist is easy to disern.

in Jesus, God bless
pickles
 

pickles

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Who is worrying?

Are you worrying?

This is probably one of the only churches in the world that we can chat about bible prophecy till we are blue in the face.

Most other churches have a little book or pamphlet about what they believe, that you must ear to, to partake properly in that church

After all this is a bible discussion form, and we love to discuss bible prophecy

Matthew 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them
I probably should have used the word focus, rather than worry, Im sorry.
I sought to add to the disscussion that the knowladge of the antichrist is best diserned in looking to Jesus.
Too often the debates are filled with alot of information that relys on the abundance of knowladge.
For there are many who either are unable to acumulate or comprehend this knowladge.
The greatest hope we are called to, is in Jesus, for He will not fail us, and in knowing Jesus Christ is Lord come in the flesh, we can rest in His care and protection.
But please do not interpit my contribution as saying knowladge is not important, I shared simply another way to know how to disern the antichrist.
As to wether the antichrist is that which has been at work since Jesus Christ, or is a being that will appear some time in the future?
From what I see in scripture it appears it is both.

In Jesus, God bless
pickles
 
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Interesting your chart seems to have skipped Rev17:11, wonder why?
Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet
come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.


Hmmm, 7 kings but eight beasts, very interesting, indeed!
 
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midwestbob

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One wonders as well that there will also be a central figure that will stand in the place of the antichrist as well, as scripture also points to.
And which one of the 4 verses that use the term antichrist or antichrists speak of this central figure?
1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

For we are called not to look to our own understanding, but that given in Jesus.
Scripture tells us to study to shew ourselves approved. Precept upon precept., line upon line. Considering the number of interpretations of the figurative language of visions and dreams in prophecy are legion, with virtually all established in the absence of sound hermeneutic principles. It might be in our best interest to study the doctrines we have been taught to see how well they actually match Scripture. After all they can’t all be correct.
 
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The beast is the dragon its talking about one of its heads, the head with the ten horns/ten kings.

Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea,
having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads
the name of blasphemy.
Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great
While I prefer the KJV, sometimes looking at other translations helps one to see the intent of a verse.


Literal Translation of the Bible:
Rev 13:1 And I stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast coming up out of the sea,
having seven heads and ten horns, and on his horns ten diadems, and on its heads
names of blasphemy.
Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like a leopard, and its feet as of a bear, and its mouth as a lion's mouth. And the dragon gave its power to it, and its throne, and great authority.

Modern King James Version:
Rev 13:1 And I stood on the sand of the sea, and I saw a beast coming up out of the sea,
having seven heads and ten horns. And on its horns were ten crowns, and on its heads
was the name of blasphemy.
Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like a leopard, and its feet like those of a bear, and its mouth like the mouth of a lion. And the dragon gave him its power and its seat and great authority.

Young’s Literal Translation of the Bible:
Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and I saw out of the sea a beast coming
up, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon its horns ten diadems, and upon its
heads a name of evil speaking,
Rev 13:2 and the beast that I saw was like to a leopard, and its feet as of a bear, and its mouth as the mouth of a lion, and the dragon did give to it his power, and his throne, and great authority.

Contemporary English Version:
Rev 13:1 I looked and saw a beast coming up from the sea. This one had ten horns and seven heads, and a crown was on each of its ten horns. On each of its heads were names that were an insult to God.
Rev 13:2 The beast that I saw had the body of a leopard, the feet of a bear, and the mouth of a lion. The dragon handed over ITS own power and throne and great authority to this beast.

Darby:
Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea; and I saw a beast rising out of the sea,
having ten horns and seven heads, and upon its horns ten diadems, and upon its heads
names of blasphemy.
Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like to a leopardess, and its feet as of a bear, and its mouth as a lion's mouth; and the dragon gave to it his power, and his throne, and great authority;

International Standard Version:
Rev 13:1 I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns, seven heads, and ten
royal crowns on its horns. On its heads were blasphemous names.
Rev 13:2 The beast that I saw was like a leopard. Its feet were like bear's feet, and its mouth was like a lion's mouth. The dragon gave it his power, his throne, and complete authority.

Far those who don’t have these versions in their libraries they can be downloaded for free at www.e-sword.net (definitely a good freebie also comes wit commentaries etc…)

The beast and the dracon are 2 individual entities.

As you are led friend as you are led.
 
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peterT

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The beast is the dragon its talking about one of its heads, the head with the ten horns/ten kings.

If the beast in Rv 13:1 the one with the seven heads and ten horns, is not the dragon in Rv17 with the seven heads and ten horns then how does it work?

John said five are fallen one is and the other is not yet come, and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. Now in are time six of the heads have fallen

So the beast in Rv13:1 are five fallen, one is and the other is not yet come but when he cometh, he must continue a short space too?

And the ten horns/kings in Rv13:1 do these receive power as kings one hour with the beast as will?

So that would make 20 kings/horns in the end, and that would make10 heads fallen, 2 is, and 2 is yet to come.

The seven heads are known as beasts in Rv17 and in Daniel 7. The dragon in Rv17 is also known as a beast.

Rv17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

So that would make the beast in Rv13:1 a dragon

So the dragon is known as a beast and the seven heads are also known as beasts.

In Daniels day in Babylon he looked forward and saw 4 beasts come up, one is where he lived, and two are fallen in his past that makes seven.

And in johns day in the days of the roman empire, he looked forward and saw one not yet come, and looked backward in time and 5 had fallen, and one is where he lived. That makes seven.

The beast in Rv13:1 is a dragon and the seven head no that dragon are also beasts.
 
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peterT

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I probably should have used the word focus, rather than worry, Im sorry.
I sought to add to the disscussion that the knowladge of the antichrist is best diserned in looking to Jesus.
Too often the debates are filled with alot of information that relys on the abundance of knowladge.
For there are many who either are unable to acumulate or comprehend this knowladge.
The greatest hope we are called to, is in Jesus, for He will not fail us, and in knowing Jesus Christ is Lord come in the flesh, we can rest in His care and protection.
But please do not interpit my contribution as saying knowladge is not important, I shared simply another way to know how to disern the antichrist.
As to wether the antichrist is that which has been at work since Jesus Christ, or is a being that will appear some time in the future?
From what I see in scripture it appears it is both.

In Jesus, God bless
pickles
I agree both are good.

A Antichrist.

And the Antichrist in man.

Matt 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the
kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

But some would have us believe there is no Antichrist/king/ leader.

And I think it needs to be stood up agenised
 
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The beast is the dragon its talking about one of its heads, the head with the ten horns/ten kings.

If what you say is correct then explain the following verse.
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

From what I see your interpretation does not match scripture. For this verse clearly shows the dragon and the beast are seperate entities. Are you saying the Word of God is changing again?

In Christ, 1Christianwarrior316
 
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peterT

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If what you say is correct then explain the following verse.
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

From what I see your interpretation does not match scripture. For this verse clearly shows the dragon and the beast are seperate entities. Are you saying the Word of God is changing again?

In Christ, 1Christianwarrior316
yes seperate entities, and one.

The seven heads are known as beasts in Rv17 and in Daniel 7. The dragon in Rv17 is also known as a beast.

Rv17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

So that would make the beast in Rv13:1 a dragon

So the dragon is known as a beast, and the seven heads are also known as beasts