the antichrist

[rodogg]

...the Pope is a freemason. They all believe lucifer is God, and that they are gods, and that Jesus and the Father are devils

....Cathoicism and Islam are front religions controlled by the same satan worshippers, and serve the anti christ agenda. World domination, extermination of Christians, and rebellion against Yahweh and His Christ - Yeshua.

...The Pope believes that He is higher than God and His word on this earth, and is the "Vicar" of God. He is another Christ....

Not going to start an arguement about Catholicism, but just going to point out that everything you said there is completely wrong. Have you read the Popes books? Have you read his teachings? You said you think Catholics and the Pope "believe Lucifer is God...and that Jesus and the Father are devils". This is so so so so unbelievably wrong that I can't understand where you got this information. Who told you that? Catholics are Christians, who love Jesus. Catholicism wants to EXTERMINATE CHRISTIANS??? We ARE Christians! Whoooo has been telling you these things?

 

[peterT]

By your definition the beasts in Daniel are kingdoms and at least one of the two different beasts in Rev13 is “the Antichrist” So we have at least 2 definitions for the same word according to your view, correct? Or do we have 3 after all you still haven’t told us how you define the other beast in Rev . or do you believe there is only one in Rev13? So how many definitions do you have to use for beasts? Your view is starting to sound confusing
1Co 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

So you believe God/Word changes? Based on what? Your “he/him/his” argument? Which at best is nothing more then inconclusive argument as demonstrated many times. Using your standard of proof both the kingdom of Babylon and Israel or women. We both know that isn’t true so your proof is at best inconclusive and in reality only an unproven assumption.
Jer 3:8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put HER away, and given HER a bill of divorce; yet HER treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.
Jer 50:29 Call together the archers against Babylon: all ye that bend the bow, camp against it round about; let none thereof escape: recompense HER according to HER work; according to all that SHE hath done, do unto HER: for SHE hath been proud against the LORD, against the Holy One of Israel.

You can’t have it both ways, friend either God/Word is unchanging or the verses below are lying. Precept upon precept, line upon line.
Joh 1:1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever
I think Scripture speaks for itself on the subject of whether God’s word changes or not. Until we can come to an agreement on that continuing will just prove to be an exercise in futility. As you are led, friend as you are led.

I don’t know what you are talking about here sorry; I think you are putting words in my mouth.

The beast the dragon in Rv13:1 is NOT Islam without a country or without a king.
You are just making that up from your own head your own heart.

Nehemiah 6;8Then I sent unto him, saying, There are no such things done as thou sayest, but thou feignest them out of thine own heart

And Islam without a country or without a king. is NOT the mark of the beast, and we won’t have to believe in Islam to buy and sell.

You are just making that up from your own head your own heart.

You have shown nothing, absolutely nothing to showing that Islam a spiritual kingdom without a country or without a king, is the seven headed dragon or the mark of the beast

At far as I can see this is adding to the word of God and you are NOT allowed to do that.

Rv22;19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book.

 

[systemdown101]

Tap dancing again around the truth not mention the talmud, kabbalah zohar filth against Jesus Christ
but zealously tribe defending and protecting that are your arguments systemdown101 never mention
any arguments. Ignoring the facts that judaism is for over 2000 years the stranglehold against mankind.
Esther a virgin? Oh really ? She has the blood of over 75000 innocent civilians on her hands and purim
by the way is nothing else than the annual manifestation of the blood lust of the jews.

The issue was regarding making personal attacks against another poster and unbiblical statements, not Judaism.

Regarding Esther:

1 Later when King Xerxes’ fury had subsided, he remembered Vashti and what she had done and what he had decreed about her. 2 Then the king’s personal attendants proposed, “Let a search be made for beautiful young virgins for the king. 3 Let the king appoint commissioners in every province of his realm to bring all these beautiful young women into the harem at the citadel of Susa. Let them be placed under the care of Hegai, the king’s eunuch, who is in charge of the women; and let beauty treatments be given to them. 4 Then let the young woman who pleases the king be queen instead of Vashti.” This advice appealed to the king, and he followed it.
5 Now there was in the citadel of Susa a Jew of the tribe of Benjamin, named Mordecai son of Jair, the son of Shimei, the son of Kish, 6 who had been carried into exile from Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon, among those taken captive with Jehoiachin[a] king of Judah. 7 Mordecai had a cousin named Hadassah, whom he had brought up because she had neither father nor mother. This young woman, who was also known as Esther, had a lovely figure and was beautiful. Mordecai had taken her as his own daughter when her father and mother died.

Please don't argue that Esther lied about being a virgin, even as late as the wedding of Prince Charles and Lady Di, prospective wives were being checked to make sure that they were to the point where her uncle had to issue a statement saying that she was. And unlike Charlie, Esther would have been executed by the king were she to try to pass herself off as something she wasn't. So yes, what what said is unbiblical.

 

[midwestbob]

I don’t know what you are talking about here sorry; I think you are putting words in my mouth.

The beast the dragon in Rv13:1 is NOT Islam without a country or without a king.
You are just making that up from your own head your own heart.

Nehemiah 6;8Then I sent unto him, saying, There are no such things done as thou sayest, but thou feignest them out of thine own heart

And Islam without a country or without a king. is NOT the mark of the beast, and we won’t have to believe in Islam to buy and sell.

You are just making that up from your own head your own heart.

You have shown nothing, absolutely nothing to showing that Islam a spiritual kingdom without a country or without a king, is the seven headed dragon or the mark of the beast

At far as I can see this is adding to the word of God and you are NOT allowed to do that.

Rv22;19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book.

Your baseless attacks and continued efforts to confuse the issue grow wearisome. You insist that the beast that rises out of the sea from Rev13:1-2 is a man aka “the Antichrist” if it’s true prove it with Scripture.

I say the beast that rises out of the sea is a kingdom from Rev13:2 and back the interpretation with:
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God
Mal 3:6 For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed
Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms
As Scripture reveals the unchanging God/Word says beasts are kingdoms. If God/Word is unchanging then if a beast is a kingdom in Daniel it will still be a kingdom in Revelation.

Can you show Scripture that says the unchanging God/Word says beasts are “the Antichrists”?

Can you provide something besides your circular reasoning that because pronouns like he,him, him or used to describe the beast it has to be a man. We can use the same argument and say that pronouns are used to describe kingdoms and say it has to be a kingdom as the verses from Jer3:8 and Jer50:29 demonstrate. Now unless you have something new to add that actually proves your point. I think it is time to agree to disagree.

As you are led friend as you are led!

 

[peterT]

Your baseless attacks and continued efforts to confuse the issue grow wearisome. You insist that the beast that rises out of the sea from Rev13:1-2 is a man aka “the Antichrist” if it’s true prove it with Scripture.

I say the beast that rises out of the sea is a kingdom from Rev13:2 and back the interpretation with:
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God
Mal 3:6 For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed
Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms
As Scripture reveals the unchanging God/Word says beasts are kingdoms. If God/Word is unchanging then if a beast is a kingdom in Daniel it will still be a kingdom in Revelation.

Can you show Scripture that says the unchanging God/Word says beasts are “the Antichrists”?

Can you provide something besides your circular reasoning that because pronouns like he,him, him or used to describe the beast it has to be a man. We can use the same argument and say that pronouns are used to describe kingdoms and say it has to be a kingdom as the verses from Jer3:8 and Jer50:29 demonstrate. Now unless you have something new to add that actually proves your point. I think it is time to agree to disagree.

As you are led friend as you are led!

It funny how you use a peace of Daniel 7:23 to back up your theory that Islam without a country or without a king is the seven headed dragon and the mark of the beast

Even the beast in Daniel 7:23 had ten kings, and another shall rise after them And he shall speak [great] words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High,

Maybe you should try using the whole story from Daniel 7:23-27. to back up your theory that Islam without a country or without a king is the seven headed dragon and the mark of the beast.

1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns Ten kings

Rv13:5 And there was given unto HIM a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty [and] two months.

6 And HE opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

7 And it was given unto HIM to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Daniel 7:22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom [are] ten kings [that] shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

25 And he shall speak [great] words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

 

[Shilo]

When the Bible uses a symbol has the meaning of something it does not lose that meaning. A symbol may have more then just one meaning and that is when you need to see how the symbol is you to see what meaning is being used.
Danial 7 has for beast = nations
Danial 4 beast as the leader of a people

So a best can be a nation or a person
Kinda of like the lamb of God the knig of the Kingdom

Gregorian calendar was made by Pope Gregory XIII so both the Catholics and Islam have changed laws and times.

 

[midwestbob]

It funny how you use a peace of Daniel 7:23 to back up your theory that Islam without a country or without a king is the seven headed dragon and the mark of the beast

Even the beast in Daniel 7:23 had ten kings, and another shall rise after them And he shall speak [great] words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High,

Maybe you should try using the whole story from Daniel 7:23-27. to back up your theory that Islam without a country or without a king is the seven headed dragon and the mark of the beast.

1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns Ten kings

Rv13:5 And there was given unto HIM a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty [and] two months.

6 And HE opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

7 And it was given unto HIM to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Daniel 7:22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom [are] ten kings [that] shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

25 And he shall speak [great] words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Whatever. Your baseless attacks and continued efforts to confuse the issue grow wearisome. You insist that the beast that rises out of the sea from Rev13:1-2 is a man aka “the Antichrist” if it’s true prove it with Scripture.

I say the beast that rises out of the sea is a kingdom from Rev13:2 and back the interpretation with:
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God
Mal 3:6 For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed
Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms
As Scripture reveals the unchanging God/Word says beasts are kingdoms. If God/Word is unchanging then if a beast is a kingdom in Daniel it will still be a kingdom in Revelation.

Can you show Scripture that says the unchanging God/Word says beasts are “the Antichrists”?

Can you provide something besides your circular reasoning that because pronouns like he,him, him or used to describe the beast it has to be a man. We can use the same argument and say that pronouns are used to describe kingdoms and say it has to be a kingdom as the verses from Jer3:8 and Jer50:29 demonstrate. Now unless you have something new to add that actually proves your point. I think it is time to agree to disagree.

As you are led friend as you are led!

 

[midwestbob]

When the Bible uses a symbol has the meaning of something it does not lose that meaning.

Correct so if beasts in Daniel are kingdoms then beasts in Rev are also kingdoms.

A symbol may have more then just one meaning and that is when you need to see how the symbol is you to see what meaning is being used.

Danial 7 has for beast = nations
Danial 4 beast as the leader of a people

So a best can be a nation or a person
Kinda of like the lamb of God the knig of the Kingdom

Actually Dan4 doesn’t say Nebuchadnezzar is a beast or call him one. It does say that he a man, is given a beasts heart and has to live with the beasts of the field for seven years.
Daniel7:17 does tell us:
Dan 7:17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.

From the context in Dan7 and from fulfilled prophecy we can see that these 4 kings were in actuality kingdoms just as Dan7:23 indicates.
Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

So clearly fulfilled prophecy demonstrates that Daniel’s beasts regardless of whether they are called kings (as Dan7:17 says) or kingdoms (as Dan7:23 says) are kingdoms.

Gregorian calendar was made by

Pope Gregory XIII so both the Catholics and Islam have changed laws and times.

While it is true that the length of the year was changed from 365.25 to 365.2425 days.This change is only Approximately 11 minutes in a year. Had this change not been made we in the northern hemispher would have seen the coldest months of the year go from being in Jan/Feb to being in July/Aug over the course of about 2400 years. The correction to the calendar is basically the same reason that when the Jews used a 360 day year they occasionally had to add an extra month to keep the seasons matching the calendar. Even with this minor adjustment in the calendar we would still be in the same year2011. On the other hand islam believes time began with islam and we are in the year 1433. One is a minor adjustment to the calendar to correct a flaw the other totally changes time.

As for as changing the law goes the Catholics do have some misconceptions but they still teach God’s laws as God’s law. On the other hand islam teaches the exact opposite of the Gospel and promote Sharia law over God’s law.

Another point to consider is that islam meets the Scriptural definition of antichrists on the other hand the Catholics don’t meet the Scriptural definition of antichrists. Which of the following verses is the Roman Church, or Roman Church doctrine guilty of transgressing?
1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

One of the main tenements of the Islamic faith is that God has no Son. All who believe as the quran teaches deny God has a Son so by Scriptural definition all who follow islam are antichrists.

 

[peterT]

Whatever. Your baseless attacks and continued efforts to confuse the issue grow wearisome. You insist that the beast that rises out of the sea from Rev13:1-2 is a man aka “the Antichrist” if it’s true prove it with Scripture.


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NO that you trying to put words in my mouth, I never said the dragon that came out of the sea was the Antichrist
and the dragon gave him HIS power, and HIS seat, and great authority.

I say the beast that rises out of the sea is a kingdom

No the beast that rises out of the sea is a dragon/ seven kingdoms/the devil that’s been around since the beginning.
and the dragon gave him HIS power, and HIS seat, and great authority that’s the man the Antichrist

I have just about answered all your questions, maybe you can answer the question that I’ve been asking. I know you say there’s no point and that you grow wearisome. But are they the words of a warrior of Christ like your little flag says.

How did you get Islam without a country or without a king as the seven headed dragon?

 

[midwestbob]

NO that you trying to put words in my mouth, I never said the dragon that came out of the sea was the Antichrist
and the dragon gave him HIS power, and HIS seat, and great authority.



No the beast that rises out of the sea is a dragon/ seven kingdoms/the devil that’s been around since the beginning.
and the dragon gave him HIS power, and HIS seat, and great authority that’s the man the Antichrist

I have just about answered all your questions, maybe you can answer the question that I’ve been asking. I know you say there’s no point and that you grow wearisome. But are they the words of a warrior of Christ like your little flag says.

How did you get Islam without a country or without a king as the seven headed dragon?

Before proceeding any further let me make sure /i am understanding you correctly.
Correct me if I am incorrect but is this how you are understanding Rev13:1-2?
Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast (dragon/satan) rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his(Antichrist) horns ten crowns, and upon his(Antichrist) heads the name of blasphemy.
Rev 13:2 And the beast(dragon/satan) which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his(Antichrist) feet were as the feet of a bear, and his(Antichrist) mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him(Antichrist) his(Antichrist’s) power, and his(Antichrist) seat, and great authority

If yes please reply yes, if no please quote the verses then add your interpretation in parenthesis in a different color. Thanks

 

[systemdown101]

Jesuits/Masons rule the world, and worship lucifer. The vatican is full of freemasons, the world elite are all freemasons, the Pope is a freemason. They all believe lucifer is God, and that they are gods, and that Jesus and the Father are devils.

Oh dear, how could I have missed this? Come on, the Catholic Church has a long-standing hatred of the Masons and Masonic-like organizations. Just ask Jacques DeMolay. In fact, I believe the Popes had stated that you couldn't be Catholic and a Mason.

What is it with conspiracy theories and this site? I mean, we have one guy running around saying the Pope is Jewish, now he's a Mason?

You know, I give up. I'm gonna start a thread at some point claiming the Pope is a Vulcan.

 

[peterT]

Before proceeding any further let me make sure /i am understanding you correctly.
Correct me if I am incorrect but is this how you are understanding Rev13:1-2?
Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast (dragon/satan) rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his(Antichrist) horns ten crowns, and upon his(Antichrist) heads the name of blasphemy.
Rev 13:2 And the beast(dragon/satan) which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his(Antichrist) feet were as the feet of a bear, and his(Antichrist) mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him(Antichrist) his(Antichrist’s) power, and his(Antichrist) seat, and great authority

If yes please reply yes, if no please quote the verses then add your interpretation in parenthesis in a different color. Thanks

NO.

I have just about answered all your questions, i think it your go dont you think, Just to be fair.

23 Divers weights [are] an abomination unto the LORD; and a false balance [is] not good.
1 A false balance [is] abomination to the LORD: but a just weight [is] his delight.


How did you get Islam without a country or without a king as the seven headed dragon?

 

[ada]

From my understanding Kabbalah does have a Jesus figure

Metatron in Kabbalah is the Heavenly scribe, lesser YHVH, EL shaddai, Heavenly Priest, eternal, metator and Messanger.

Jesus figure in the kabbalah??
Who told you this nonsense?
For the record:
The kabbalah is the ultimate heresy!
Metatron is the divine ruler of evil..
The kabbalah is the foundation of jewish freemasonry
and so are all the gnostic esoteric teachings.

Read this article from jew henry makow and become "jew wise"..
savethemales.ca - Kabbalist Doctrine Explains World Events
Or read David Livingstone..

 

[midwestbob]

NO that you trying to put words in my mouth, I never said the dragon that came out the sea was the Antichristand the dragon gave him HIS power, and HIS seat, and great authority.

No the beast that rises out of the sea is a dragon/ seven kingdoms/the devil that’s been around since the beginning.
and the dragon gave him HIS power, and HIS seat, and great authority that’s the man the Antichrist
I have just about answered all your questions, maybe you can answer the question that I’ve been asking. I know you say there’s no point and that you grow wearisome. But are they the words of a warrior of Christ like your little flag says.
How did you get Islam without a country or without a king as the seven headed dragon?

Before proceeding any further let me make sure /i am understanding you correctly.
Correct me if I am incorrect but is this how you are understanding Rev13:1-2?
Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast (dragon/satan) rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his(Antichrist) horns ten crowns, and upon his(Antichrist) heads the name of blasphemy.
Rev 13:2 And the beast(dragon/satan) which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his(Antichrist) feet were as the feet of a bear, and his(Antichrist) mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him(Antichrist) his(Antichrist’s) power, and his(Antichrist) seat, and great authority
If yes please reply yes, if no please quote the verses then add your interpretation in parenthesis in a different color. Thanks

NO.

Didn’t you say the beast that rises out of the sea is the beast is the devil?
Didn’t you say “HISand HIS are a man “theAntichrist”

So please show me exactly what you are saying.

I have just about answered all your questions, i think it your go dont you think, Just to be fair.

Actually there are many unanswered questions. But for now maybe you could answer who or what is the BEAST that comes up out of the earth from Rev13:11?


In the meantime I'll provide a brief overview of my understandig on Rev13:1-2:
The beast and the dragon are not the same entity. The subject of the verses Rev13:1-2 is the beast. It is upon the beasts horns 10 crowns. It is upon the beasts heads the name of blasphemy. It is the beasts feet that are of a bear. It is the beasts mouth that as mouth of lion. It is the dragon/satan that gave the beast it’s seat power and authority. The “him, his” from these verses are referring to the beast.

When interpreting prophecy I believe we should use the definitions the unchanging God/Word gives us.
Dan7:23 tells us beasts are kingdoms. Rev12:9 and Rev20:2 tells us the dragon is satan.

Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast(kingdom) rise up out of
the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his(the kingdom’s) horns ten
crowns, and upon his (the kingdoms)heads the name of blasphemy.
Rev 13:2 And the beast(the kingdom)t which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his(the kingdom’s) feet were as the feet of a bear, and his(the kingdom’s) mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon(satan) gave him(the kingdom) his(the kingdom’s) power, and his(the kingdom’s) seat, and great authority.
Words in blue parenthesis added to clarify how I interpret this verse.

23 Divers weights [are] an abomination unto the LORD; and a false balance [is] not good.
1 A false balance [is] abomination to the LORD: but a just weight [is] his delight.

Your sarcasm and baseless implications are noted and dismissed as irrelevant.

How did you get Islam without a country or without a king as the seven headed dragon

Once again there is no point worrying about how we identify the beast if we can’t come to an agreement on what the beast is. Remember it is precept upon precept, line upon line. Quit trying to jump to the end, when you build a house do you place the rafters before framing the walls?

 

[peterT]

Your sarcasm and baseless implications are noted and dismissed as irrelevant.




Once again there is no point worrying about how we identify the beast if we can’t come to an agreement on what the beast is. Remember it is precept upon precept, line upon line. Quit trying to jump to the end, when you build a house do you place the rafters before framing the walls?

Once again you have chosen not to answer the questions."?

In your own words. Once again you have chosen not to answer the questions.

It's your turn to answer the question. Stop being sneaky, the last time it was your turn you said what’s the point. That’s not going to happen again

 

[midwestbob]

In your own words. Once again you have chosen not to answer the questions.

It's your turn to answer the question. Stop being sneaky, the last time it was your turn you said what’s the point. That’s not going to happen again

Whatever as I said before continuing would be an exercise in futility
As you are led friend as you are led!

 

[systemdown101]

Metatron

Whoa! I thought he was one of the Transformers!

 

[Crimeny]

Oh dear, how could I have missed this? Come on, the Catholic Church has a long-standing hatred of the Masons and Masonic-like organizations. Just ask Jacques DeMolay. In fact, I believe the Popes had stated that you couldn't be Catholic and a Mason.

What is it with conspiracy theories and this site? I mean, we have one guy running around saying the Pope is Jewish, now he's a Mason?

You know, I give up. I'm gonna start a thread at some point claiming the Pope is a Vulcan.

the pope is actually an alien who descended upon Earth as elvis that later married batman with the loch ness monster being the priest!

But in all seriousness, i would say the catholic church is like the church Christ describes in revelations that is lukewarm; neither cold nor hot, especially in this day and age when they have become more liberal to stuff.

 

[peterT]

Whatever as I said before continuing would be an exercise in futility
As you are led friend as you are led!

I don’t need you to answer the question, not that you would anyway.


The seven headed dragon in Rv13:1 is NOT Islam the religion without a country or without a king.

You are just making that up.

 

[pickles]

Although I respect the knowladge and information in this debate.
I cannot help but wonder if we worry too much about who or what the antichrist is or will be.
We are given in scripture the tools that warn us of what to watch for and disern.
For anyone that denys that Jesus Christ is Lord come in the flesh is the antichrist, seems pretty clear.
But I wonder if we might be better prepared if we worry less about who or what the antichrist is, and as Jesus said, 'keep your eyes on me"
For our greatest protection and salvation is not in looking to what is not, but looking always to what is, that we may know Him.
Looking always to Jesus Christ is Lord come in the flesh!!!!

in Jesus, God bless
pickles