The Appointed Times of Leviticus 23; and Why I Observe Them

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If the Jews did have a high sabbath on a Thursday, then they are in error, God rested on the seventh day and it is called the sabbath. Can't move around that day as to honor a annual sabbath the high sabbath, that's completely wrong doctrine, if someone calls it a high sabbath or what ever, better have it on the seventh day.

Sorry friend it is you who needs to make a few changes...WHO is teaching you all this UNbiblical stuff ?

 

[IamWhoIam]

Seems to me you are not very familiar with scripture. With GOD every day starts at 'sunset for everyone, every nation. It is only in our secular world we use 'modern timing.

I'm familiar with scripture, I only mentioned that because yes it's a calander created by the Romans, I was using it as a example of how folks use calendars, here is the kicker God did not create the sun,earth, moon to line up exactly each time. It doesn't happened like that. Every calander ever used by any people is man made and has to adjust their calander at some point to realign the perfectly imperfect arrangement of the sun, earth, moon and their calendar they use, it's that simple.

the Roman calander basically the most used world wide has to adjust the time every four years called leap year, A leap year in the Jewish calendar has 13 months and occurs 7 times in a 19-year cycle. As you are familiar with that this you know correct?

 

[loveme1]

There is a warning that if they did not do something they would lose track of time and date..

 

[IamWhoIam]

Sorry friend it is you who needs to make a few changes...WHO is teaching you all this UNbiblical stuff ?

I feel the same about your notion of trying to keep a 72 hour time frame of three days and three nights, this is why people have resorted to saying the 15 Nisan and so on, the annual high sabbath didn't happened on a Thursday it was a Saturday along with the same weekly sabbath.

 

[IamWhoIam]

There is a warning that if they did not do something they would lose track of time and date..

lol, na they would have winter in June according to their calander, haha

 

[IamWhoIam]

In the Jewish calander a whole month is added and that happens 7 times in a 19 yr cycle, to absolutely be correct on what day Jesus died on, if a person tryed to recreate that and to know the exact day they would have to first off subtract around 700 months or so from the Jewish calendar to know it, first step is not to subtract all at once but a person would have to do it in reverse order as they were added. I could be wrong about someone doing that it may have been done but I haven't seen any write ups on it and seen the subtractions of some 700 months.

 

[IamWhoIam]

If anyone would like to get started on it, here's were the addition is made after the month of Shevat and before the month of Adar. have add it enjoy.

 

[tourist]

Just curious how you do this one. I'm kind of stuck thinking I've got no sheaves, harvest is throughout the warm months for my tiny little garden, and I don't work anymore, so really can't hold up what I do now. (Unless I hold up clean plates, clean clothes, and... umm no idea how to hold up clean walls and floors.)

And, even if I did hold up the first chamomile flowers, blackberries, scallions, herbs, and tomatoes when they're ready to harvest, then what? I'm thinking my church wouldn't really need the small amounts I'd give. (First harvest isn't even enough for a cup of chamomile tea or a blackberry dessert. We tend to eat the 1-3 blackberries, and I dry the flowers until there is enough to make tea. lol) Burning in the city is illegal, and I don't know if blackberries or tomatoes burn anyway, unless I left them too long in the oven.

So, I'm not mocking you, and I've got nothing against what you're saying, I'm genuinely curious how that part of Leviticus works to a modern day American. How do you do this part?

I prefer raspberries but that's just me. I buy them in little containers in the store so I reap where I do not sow. Currently, I'm trending towards lunch, is a sheave edible?

 

[IamWhoIam]

The best and scripturely sound statement anyone can get is just simply it was the day before the sabbath. anything more than that is just a theory.

 

[IamWhoIam]

Here's a fun fact to ponder on.

The table shows how accurate the different systems are (sorted from most to least accurate).
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[TR]
[TH="bgcolor: #FDF0F0"]Calendar[/TH]
[TH="bgcolor: #FDF0F0"]Introduced[/TH]
[TH="bgcolor: #FDF0F0"]Average Year Length[/TH]
[TH="bgcolor: #FDF0F0"]Approximate Error[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Persian calendar[/TD]
[TD]2nd millennium BCE[/TD]
[TD]365.2421986 days[/TD]
[TD]Less than 1 sec/year (1 day in 110,000 years)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F7F7F7"]
[TD]Revised Julian calendar[/TD]
[TD]1923 CE[/TD]
[TD]365.242222 days[/TD]
[TD]2 sec/year (1 day in 31,250 years)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #EFEFEF !important"]Mayan calendar[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #EFEFEF !important"]~2000 BCE[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #EFEFEF !important"]365.242036 days[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #EFEFEF !important"]13 sec/year (1 day in 6500 years)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F7F7F7"]
[TD]Gregorian calendar[/TD]
[TD]1582 CE[/TD]
[TD]365.2425 days[/TD]
[TD]27 sec/year (1 day in 3236 years)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Jewish calendar[/TD]
[TD]9th century CE[/TD]
[TD]365.246822 days[/TD]
[TD]7 min/year (1 day in 216 years)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F7F7F7"]
[TD]Julian calendar[/TD]
[TD]45 BCE[/TD]
[TD]365.25 days[/TD]
[TD]11 min/year (1 day in 128 years)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]365-day calendar
(no leap years)*
[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD]365 days[/TD]
[TD]6 hours/year (1 day in 4 years)[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
* There is no 365-day calendar system currently in use for civil purposes. Past examples include the ancient civil Egyptian calendar, the Maya Haab' calendar, and the Aztec Xiuhpohualli calendar.

 

[tourist]

I just use the calendar that's hanging on my wall.

 

[IamWhoIam]

More info for those who follow the Jewish calandar if you haven't study the calandar and its history.

The Jewish calendar is based on a history of time reckoning efforts dating back to ancient times. Both Israelite and Babylonian influences played an important role in its development. most of the features of its modern-day version were in place by the 9th century CE.
the timing of the months in the early forms of the Jewish calendar (in Jesus time) depended on actual sightings of the Crescent Moon. However, this practice was gradually changed, and by 1178 CE the calculation of the beginning of a new calendar month had been fully replaced by the mathematical approximation of the moment the Crescent Moon begins to appear (Molad) rather than actual sightings.

 

[IamWhoIam]

I just use the calendar that's hanging on my wall.

Your doing better than me, I usely go by bill due date, if a bill isn't do yet I forget all about what day of the month it is. lol

 

[MarcR]

The best and scripturely sound statement anyone can get is just simply it was the day before the sabbath. anything more than that is just a theory.

If you read Leviticus 23:5, You will see that 14 Abib is defined as the Passover.
if you read Gen 1:5 you will see that the evening of any day comes BEFORE the morning of that day; so then, the evening of 14 Abib comes before the day of Abib 14.

If you read Leviticus 23:6-7, you will see that 15 Abib is a Levitical Sabbath. Its day of preparation is always 14 Abib.
Since, in the year Jesus was crucified, the 7th day Sabbath follows the Levitical Sabbath; 14 Abib was also its day of preparation.

No theory here only revealed fact.

If you read MT 16:21 you will see that Jesus was to be raised ON NOT AFTER the third day.

If you read Mt 12:40 you will see that Jesus was to be in the tomb 3 days and 3 nights; but Mt 16:21 says not all of the third day, and Gen 1:5 says that the evenings come first even though they are not mentioned first.

Again no theory; just revealed truth. If you have been taught something else; the Bible has more authority than whoever taught you.

 

[IamWhoIam]

If you read Leviticus 23:5, You will see that 14 Abib is defined as the Passover.
if you read Gen 1:5 you will see that the evening of any day comes BEFORE the morning of that day; so then, the evening of 14 Abib comes before the day of Abib 14.

If you read Leviticus 23:6-7, you will see that 15 Abib is a Levitical Sabbath. Its day of preparation is always 14 Abib.
Since, in the year Jesus was crucified, the 7th day Sabbath follows the Levitical Sabbath; 14 Abib was also its day of preparation.

No theory here only revealed fact.

If you read MT 16:21 you will see that Jesus was to be raised ON NOT AFTER the third day.

If you read Mt 12:40 you will see that Jesus was to be in the tomb 3 days and 3 nights; but Mt 16:21 says not all of the third day, and Gen 1:5 says that the evenings come first even though they are not mentioned first.

Again no theory; just revealed truth. If you have been taught something else; the Bible has more authority than whoever taught you.

yes your correct but us modern people don't know of the exact days of 14 and 15 Abib in the first century fell on to try and recreate the past by using a modern calandar you will find its nearly impossible to know and end up on the wrong day, the death of Jesus was before the sabbath a Saturday so Jesus died on the cross Friday that's my view of it as well, the first night in the belly of the whale started at the arrest, when Jesus was caught in the teeth of the whale, so the first night started very early Friday morning 2am.

the evening of a day ends that day and another starts after 6pm the beginning of a new day. not sure your point on that, I'm open to being corrected but it has to be sound and logical.

 

[IamWhoIam]

here's another interesting fact about what you mentioned of morning and evening, in Jewish day counts the morning will always fall on that same day meaning there can be no changing the day with a morning, but the evening can have two days tide to it per say like so below
At 5:30pm the evening of the 14 Abib, add a hour to that and it's 6:30pm on the 15 Abib.

 

[IamWhoIam]

It takes the evening and morning to complete a day no matter what calendar one is using.

jewish day is made up of two twelve hour parts, the day is simply mentioned in hours and the night is watches.

 

[IamWhoIam]

And I do feel as you know this, 6pm to 9pm is the first watch, 9pm to 12am the second, 12am to 3am is the third, 3am to 6am the fourth watch of the night.

 

[MarcR]

yes your correct but us modern people don't know of the exact days of 14 and 15 Abib in the first century fell on to try and recreate the past by using a modern calandar you will find its nearly impossible to know and end up on the wrong day, the death of Jesus was before the sabbath a Saturday so Jesus died on the cross Friday that's my view of it as well, the first night in the belly of the whale started at the arrest, when Jesus was caught in the teeth of the whale, so the first night started very early Friday morning 2am.

the evening of a day ends that day and another starts after 6pm the beginning of a new day. not sure your point on that, I'm open to being corrected but it has to be sound and logical.

I don't know where you get 6PM. Sundown is much closer to 4PM than 6PM on 12/21 and closer to 8 PM than 6PM on 6/21. The only times it approaches 6PM are 3/21 and 9/21 and even that can vary by a day on leap years.

It is also true that the lunar/solar calendar which the Jewish people use has been in continuous use with only two well documented changes since the time of the Exodus. So the day of the week can indeed be calculated. it is also true that the Jewish calendar has not always been superimposed on the Gregorian calendar. However the several changes to the Gregorian calendar have also been well documented; so calculation is still possible.

Even if that were not true, what the Bible tells us is still true and reliable.

 

[oldethennew]

we're both 'watching and waiting', what else makes any sense???