The Ascension of Jesus

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.

miknik5

Senior Member
Jun 2, 2016
7,833
588
113
#41
That would be true if I was quoting scripture.

I wasn't.

People these days are just primed to argue, even when no argument is needed.

Heck, these days, people don't even know when they are being agreed with. They'd rather bicker.
You quoted revelation 1:7 incorrectly please provide one version that states

HE is coming on the clouds and all eyes shall see it?

you discussed the event as the subject and object


when in truth it is HIS coming...to see HIM...to gaze upon HIM that we are longing for

when HE comes again, HIS coming will be greeted with a mixture of emotional responses

some in awesome adoration
others in mourning as for an only son

but all eyes shall see. HIM
 

miknik5

Senior Member
Jun 2, 2016
7,833
588
113
#42
We want and long for HIS coming. But it isnt that we "hasten the day" because it will not be a good day for all
 

RickyZ

Senior Member
Sep 20, 2012
9,635
787
113
#43
You quoted revelation 1:7 incorrectly please provide one version that states

HE is coming on the clouds and all eyes shall see it?

you discussed the event as the subject and object


when in truth it is HIS coming...to see HIM...to gaze upon HIM that we are longing for

when HE comes again, HIS coming will be greeted with a mixture of emotional responses

some in awesome adoration
others in mourning as for an only son

but all eyes shall see. HIM
Yeah. Pretty much confirms what I just said. Argue for argument's sake.

OK, you win. I'm a scumbag heretic who deserves to be burnt at the stake. Feel better now?

homer-facepalm.jpg

Sheesh.
 

miknik5

Senior Member
Jun 2, 2016
7,833
588
113
#45
Yeah. Pretty much confirms what I just said. Argue for argument's sake.

OK, you win. I'm a scumbag heretic who deserves to be burnt at the stake. Feel better now?

View attachment 170431

Sheesh.
No

it doesn't confirm what you said

you said all shall see "it"
i didn't agree that it is okay to change the WORD of GOD
And I don't agree that "it" and HIM are the same thing

I know HE will come again
and I know all shall see

yes, use a cartoon to imply that it has gone over my head

it hasnt

but now because I am talking about what actually did happen you have made it seem that I just want to argue for arguments sake


and have falsely implied this of m

not only that, your mention to another poster that the reason that they can't see my posts is because they have me on ignore was simply to ridicule me

that is fine
 
Mar 28, 2016
15,954
1,528
113
#47
God is not a man as us he came without form was made manifest as that seen for a temporal time, as he came without any outward form He left and remains without form.

Trying to reduce him to flesh and blood as rudiments of this world that could never enter heaven is where many I believe are led by the subtleness of the father of lies
 

trofimus

Senior Member
Aug 17, 2015
10,684
794
113
#48
It could be that was the only way they could describe what they saw, even tho technically 'up' may or may not have been exactly correct. I mean, if you saw someone transmogrified into the eternal realm, how would you describe that in human terms?
Its a possibility... but I think that its described like a movement up "until a cloud made Him disappear"). If the cloud means one of clouds in the sky, it was "up".
 

trofimus

Senior Member
Aug 17, 2015
10,684
794
113
#49
Where does Luke say ascended on resurrection day?
Well, there is no sentence "He ascended on the resurrection day". But its the flow of the text.
 
Jun 1, 2016
5,032
121
0
#50
I have two questions or discussion topics regarding it:

1. When did it happen? According to the Gospel of Luke, chapter 24 it happened on the resurrection day. According to the Acts 1 it happened 40 days later.
(I will not post specific verses, because the logic goes through lot of them)

2. According to the Scriptures, He was taken up to the sky/clouds. What is the reason for this? We know that there is no "heaven" above our clouds, the Universe is almost unending to all sides from our planet. And being in Australia, He would go to a different direction. So what actually happened? And why in this way?
as has been said here, Luke and acts are both books written By Luke. the gospel accoerding to Luke and the acts of the apostles written By Luke. so if you put both together, you have your answer. yet if you consider the gopel of john and matthew and mark it appears He ascended after speaking to mary, and then returned and appeared more than once after this

He tells mary " touch me not for I have yet ascended to my Father" and then He invites thomas to touch Him when He appears to the apostles after marys encounter. Which suggests He ascended between the two events.

heaven is above its Just not visible with the eyes of our flesh. Stepehn Looked up and saw Jesus at the right hand of God, Jesus looked up when He prayed ect. Heavens are above, though we dont see the spiritual things with our natural eyes. and the prophets always stated Him ascending in the clouds, or " you will see Him clothed with the clouds of Heaven"
 
Mar 28, 2016
15,954
1,528
113
#51
There is. It is a known problem:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascension_of_Jesus

Also thats why some Christians propose two ascensions.



Exactly. Thats why my question: What was His physical ascension up for, when heaven is not anywhere "up" from us.

Two resurrections...... two refernces as parables.

I would agree. Like in all parables they are designed to hide the spiritual understanding from the lost while at the same time revealing it to the saints, using that seen, the temporal to represent that not seen the eternal .We should search them out looking for the spiritual meaning, the gospel according to the prescription given us below.


2Co 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
 

miknik5

Senior Member
Jun 2, 2016
7,833
588
113
#52
Two ascensions?

i have never heard any Christian propose two ascensions

and I have never heard any Christian question HIS Ascension either
 
Mar 28, 2016
15,954
1,528
113
#53
as has been said here, Luke and acts are both books written By Luke. the gospel accoerding to Luke and the acts of the apostles written By Luke. so if you put both together, you have your answer. yet if you consider the gopel of john and matthew and mark it appears He ascended after speaking to mary, and then returned and appeared more than once after this

He tells mary " touch me not for I have yet ascended to my Father" and then He invites thomas to touch Him when He appears to the apostles after marys encounter. Which suggests He ascended between the two events.

heaven is above its Just not visible with the eyes of our flesh. Stepehn Looked up and saw Jesus at the right hand of God, Jesus looked up when He prayed ect. Heavens are above, though we dont see the spiritual things with our natural eyes. and the prophets always stated Him ascending in the clouds, or " you will see Him clothed with the clouds of Heaven"
Two resurrections, two parables used to understand.

In the same way as smoke ascends from a fire virtue ascends from Christ.

I think it is how we look a the words in that parable “touch me not” in respect to Christ’s reasoning “for I am yet not ascended to the father” It would be in the same way he said” to the woman who had a blood disease who was moved by the faith that comes from hearing God. Christ said…“Who touched my clothes” with clothes in that parable representing the righteousness of God, the virtue that went out of Christ.

That touch would be in regard to the up coming consummation of the wedding on the last day. This is when all the saints receive their new bodies as the eternal bride of Christ, no longer Jew or Gentile, no longer male or female but a new creation, the bride of Christ. Therefore then having then given us the promised new incorruptible body we then can touch Him and that way but never in respect to the flesh . He resisted all attempts of being known in a intimate way according to the flesh.

1Co 7:1 Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.

It was not the same as with Thomas…. no virtue came out. Put your finger in the wound, .was lesson to walk by faith and not by sight. Christ was discouraging we walk by sight. As the Son of man( that seen) Christ resisted all attempt of making him Messiah according to that seen . Eternal God who has no beginning of days is not a man as us.


In regard to the first resurrection having finished the demonstration the Son of man of his own volition gave up the Holy Spirit returning to the father as the temporal flesh returned to where it was formed, dust.
 
Mar 28, 2016
15,954
1,528
113
#54
Two ascensions?

i have never heard any Christian propose two ascensions

and I have never heard any Christian question HIS Ascension either

The first and the second ressurrection or rapture.
 

miknik5

Senior Member
Jun 2, 2016
7,833
588
113
#55
The first and the second ressurrection or rapture.
The first and the second resurrection are completely different from what is being suggested here
claiming Christians support two ascensions

in this we are claiming Christ ascended came back down again and re ascended

i don't know anyone who ever suggested that

and to be clear we are talking about after HIS crucifixion


As if HE ascended back to THE FATHER (after HIS crucifixion) and then came back down as if HE forgot to mention
sonething to us and then re ascended again
 
Last edited:

miknik5

Senior Member
Jun 2, 2016
7,833
588
113
#56
That is a ridiculous idea that no CHRISTIAN born of HIS SPIRIT would ever suggest
 
B

BeyondET

Guest
#57
7 ascends is way to much. lol

I wonder where he went when he disappeared at the table, maybe was in limbo between somewhere and there.
 
P

popeye

Guest
#59
It is Matthew's gospel (chapter 27) where graves opened and other dead were resurrected following the crucifixion of Christ. Events of Matthew chapter 27: Judas hangs himself; Jesus judged by Pilate; Barabas released; soldiers mock Jesus; Simon carries the cross for Jesus; Jesus is crucified and dies; then:

At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook, the rocks split 52and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. 53They came out of the tombs after Jesus’ resurrection and went into the holy city and appeared to many people.

They rose from the dead after His resurrection. (vs 53)