The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?
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If you're saying that you became saved because you first chose to first trust in Christ, then whether you realize it or not, your trust was actually in yourself and in your actions, not in Christ. No one can become saved by their work but only by Christ alone. He is the Saviour and man is not.
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I have a deep empathy for those who are at the place in life that you are. Early on in my walk with God I struggled greatly. Christianity was hard. I rarely prayed because I didn't see the point. I wasn't receiving the things I asked for. When I read the Bible, I grew depressed. It was filled with stories of people who interacted with God in incredible ways, but I didn't seem to bump into Him at all. And I had changed my life in a myriad of ways, and my circumstances didn't improve but worsened.
What was really going on? Eventually God gave me the following understanding:
There was a man who lived on a certain island. He lived there all his life. One day a ship comes to the island and many people disembarked the ship and started talking with the inhabitants of the island. After the discussions, the island inhabitants of the island either went back to their tasks or followed the visitors onto the ship.
Eventually, one of the visitors happened upon the man. The man was told of another island. On this other island, the people were incredibly nice. They genuinely loved one another and served a King who cared for them. The island was pristine and beautiful and teeming with life. And the best part, you get to live forever. At this point, the visitor was asked if he would like to get on the ship and go there. "How much will it cost," the man asked. "It is all free, " came the reply. "The King has paid for all you will ever need. "
The man could not get on the boat fast enough. All that his heart longed for was said to be on this very island. Upon arriving, the man rushed off the ship to enjoy his newfound home. But to the surprise of his visitor, he was found back on the ship that evening. The visitor inquired of the man as to why. Wasn't the place beautiful, and full of loving people, and weren't all his needs being freely met? The man answered in the affirmative. Then why? The man answered, "Desite all the things you told me being true, I don't know how to live on this island. On my former island, I knew how things worked; I knew where I fit and what I should do. Those things do not work on this island and I struggled all day. I know I can't go back to my old home, neither do I want to. But I don't know how to live here.
Unfortunately, this is largely the estate of Christianity today. The church has made great effort to get people on the island, and done virtually nothing for them once they've arrived. The great commission says we are to do the opposite. It's focus is not on salvation, but discipleship. The great commission anticipates that Jesus will build His church, and that His followers will show those whom He converts how to live on the island.
I'm praying for you. If I can ever be of assistance, just let me know.
What was really going on? Eventually God gave me the following understanding:
There was a man who lived on a certain island. He lived there all his life. One day a ship comes to the island and many people disembarked the ship and started talking with the inhabitants of the island. After the discussions, the island inhabitants of the island either went back to their tasks or followed the visitors onto the ship.
Eventually, one of the visitors happened upon the man. The man was told of another island. On this other island, the people were incredibly nice. They genuinely loved one another and served a King who cared for them. The island was pristine and beautiful and teeming with life. And the best part, you get to live forever. At this point, the visitor was asked if he would like to get on the ship and go there. "How much will it cost," the man asked. "It is all free, " came the reply. "The King has paid for all you will ever need. "
The man could not get on the boat fast enough. All that his heart longed for was said to be on this very island. Upon arriving, the man rushed off the ship to enjoy his newfound home. But to the surprise of his visitor, he was found back on the ship that evening. The visitor inquired of the man as to why. Wasn't the place beautiful, and full of loving people, and weren't all his needs being freely met? The man answered in the affirmative. Then why? The man answered, "Desite all the things you told me being true, I don't know how to live on this island. On my former island, I knew how things worked; I knew where I fit and what I should do. Those things do not work on this island and I struggled all day. I know I can't go back to my old home, neither do I want to. But I don't know how to live here.
Unfortunately, this is largely the estate of Christianity today. The church has made great effort to get people on the island, and done virtually nothing for them once they've arrived. The great commission says we are to do the opposite. It's focus is not on salvation, but discipleship. The great commission anticipates that Jesus will build His church, and that His followers will show those whom He converts how to live on the island.
I'm praying for you. If I can ever be of assistance, just let me know.
Delivered us from the curse of the Law !2
Listen those whom Jesus will speak these words unto Matt 25:41
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
They cannot be anyone Christ died for, because all them He died for were redeemed from the curse of the Law. This Everlasting Fire they are cursed into is the curse of the Law, its the Second Death Rev 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Jesus calls them cursed in Matt 25:41 because they were not by His Death redeemed from the curse of the Law, and consequently their sins remain against and on them , they die in their sins Jn 8:24.
Understand, those cursed going into everlasting fire Matt 25:41, are going into the second death Rev 21:8, which all death is the wages of sin Rom 6:23
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
But for all whom Christ died, He hath as a Gift to them, abolished death 2 Tim 1:10
10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:
Its inconsistent with the accomplishment of Christ's death, for anyone He died for to go into the second death, or the Lake of fire as those in Matt 25:41 ! 46
Listen those whom Jesus will speak these words unto Matt 25:41
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
They cannot be anyone Christ died for, because all them He died for were redeemed from the curse of the Law. This Everlasting Fire they are cursed into is the curse of the Law, its the Second Death Rev 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Jesus calls them cursed in Matt 25:41 because they were not by His Death redeemed from the curse of the Law, and consequently their sins remain against and on them , they die in their sins Jn 8:24.
Understand, those cursed going into everlasting fire Matt 25:41, are going into the second death Rev 21:8, which all death is the wages of sin Rom 6:23
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
For the wages of sin is death,.... By sin, is meant every sin, original sin, actual sin, every kind of sin, lesser and greater: the "death" which sin deserves, is a corporeal death; which is not owing to the original nature and constitution of men; nor merely to the divine appointment; but to sin, and the decree of God, on account of it; which is inflicted on Christless sinners, as a punishment for sin, though not on believers as such, because Christ has took away the sting and curse of it: a death of diseases and afflictions also follows upon sin, as its proper demerit; which are properly punishments to wicked men, and are occasioned by sin in believers: there is a death of the soul, which comes by sin, which lies in an alienation from God, in a loss of the image of God, and in a servitude to sin; and there is an eternal death, the just wages of sin, which lies in a separation of soul and body from God, and in a sense of divine wrath to all eternity; and which is here meant, as is clear from its antithesis, "eternal life",
John GillBut for all whom Christ died, He hath as a Gift to them, abolished death 2 Tim 1:10
10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:
Its inconsistent with the accomplishment of Christ's death, for anyone He died for to go into the second death, or the Lake of fire as those in Matt 25:41 ! 46
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the Lord Jesus Christ died for all mankind ... all descendants of Adam:
John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God,which taketh away the sin of the world.
John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
From Thayer's Greek Lexicon:
What Jesus taught ...
Mark 1:14-15 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
i believe Jesus ...
READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God,which taketh away the sin of the world.
John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
From Thayer's Greek Lexicon:
5. the inhabitants of the world ... particularly the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human race ... John 1:10, 29 ... John 3:16f ... Corinthians 5:19 ... 1 John 2:2
What Jesus taught ...
Mark 1:14-15 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
i believe Jesus ...
READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
From Thayer's Greek Lexicon:
You don't like the way the Author of Scripture wrote the book ??? ... or the way Thayer's defines kosmos ??? ... that's your problem.
I believe what is written by both the Author of Scripture and Thayer's.
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John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
From Thayer's Greek Lexicon:
5. the inhabitants of the world ... particularly the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human race ... John 1:10, 29 ... John 3:16f ... Corinthians 5:19 ... 1 John 2:2
You don't like the way the Author of Scripture wrote the book ??? ... or the way Thayer's defines kosmos ??? ... that's your problem.
I believe what is written by both the Author of Scripture and Thayer's.
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... like I said, it is abundantly clear you do not comprehend katallássō.Incorrect ... Thayer's specifically includes John 3:16 at #5 ... not #8:
From Thayer's Greek Lexicon:
I do not see the above statements included in Thayer's at Blue Letter Bible.
That statement was made when Jesus taught in the synagogue at Capernaum.
I do not believe what Jesus taught in John 6 is the same as what He taught His disciples in John 15.
You err when you conflate what is written in John 6 with what is written in John 15.
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From Thayer's Greek Lexicon:
5. the inhabitants of the world ... particularly the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human race ... John 1:10, 29 ... John 3:16f ... Corinthians 5:19 ... 1 John 2:2
I do not see the above statements included in Thayer's at Blue Letter Bible.
That statement was made when Jesus taught in the synagogue at Capernaum.
I do not believe what Jesus taught in John 6 is the same as what He taught His disciples in John 15.
You err when you conflate what is written in John 6 with what is written in John 15.
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