The Attack on The Bible part 2.

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I know that my friend. That was not my point. I am sure many a Christian have died from a poisonous snake, or by drinking poison of some kind. My point was to show that those verses are rediculous. And probably added at some point by some scholar. For if that verse was true. Then everyone who follows God would never get sick or die by those things.


Dear EG

How do you know these verses were meant to be taken literally, instead of symbolically? Many things

in Scripture are figurative, not literal. Why is the literal meaning of these words the true one?

This verse is okay if taken symbolically, ISTM.

Scott H. Erie
 
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Dear friends:

I believe that the KJV (King James Version) is based upon a

correct Greek text of the New Testament, but that it is not

the only valid translation of the NT; and that it is wrong in

certain verses, such as Hebrews 6:6. But the last 12 verses

of St. Mark's Gospel in the KJV should be retained and

believed. The longer ending of Mark is the correct text. 1

John 5:7 is also correct.

In Erie Scott Harrington
You believing something is correct is not relevant, Scott. 1 John 5:7 is not correct. It was added to the texts.
 
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Laodicea

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#43
The question should not be about Bible translations but, the source from which they are translated from. The KJV has a different source from other versions
 
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Dear EG

How do you know these verses were meant to be taken literally, instead of symbolically? Many things

in Scripture are figurative, not literal. Why is the literal meaning of these words the true one?

This verse is okay if taken symbolically, ISTM.

Scott H. Erie

what symbols could be taken from those verses scott? You have to be kidding me that you think anything could be taken symbolically from those verses. we don;t just make something a symbol because it can not be taken literally. that makes no sense.
 
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You believing something is correct is not relevant, Scott. 1 John 5:7 is not correct. It was added to the texts.

So was the end of Mark 16. No where else did Jesus use baptism and belief as a means of being saved. He always used belief only, only in this questionable text And what he followed that with is just plain old not true. It was not found in the oldest texts. The closer any text is in age to the original manuscript is usually the most reliable. because it is usually missing stuff added at later dates. Even if there are more later copies. It does not make them more reliable.
 

ChosenbyHim

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Thank you for taking the time to respond. I disagree with you that the KJV is an inerrant translation. Errors have been pointed out to you which you claim to have addressed, but your explanations are wrong.

As I have said, the KJV is very good, and it is the bible I read the most. There are occasional errors in it, which can be readily proved with a simple concordance.
Hi Shroom2,

you are welcome. And thank you for taking the time to read my responses. Now, when I talked about most if not all of the "alleged errors" being answered and addressed, I was not referring to myself only. Now, I have addressed a few of them, but I was mainly referring to other men of God and Bible believers who have answered and addressed many of these "supposed errors" that are "allegedly" in the King James Bible. Great men of God like Samuel Gipp, Douglas Stauffer, Will Kinney, Kirk DiVietro, Bryan Denlinger, James Knoxx, and there are several more I could mention. These men have addressed most of those supposed errors and contradictions that Bible agnostics and Bible critics are always throwing at us Bible believers.

The last gentleman whom I mentioned, James Knoxx has done a really good video on "16 alleged contradictions" in the Bible. He does a real good job addressing each of the alleged contradictions. I highly recommend you watch it.

Now sir, which of those alleged errors were you specifically referring to? Again, what are the errors which you believe you have found that are in the King James Holy Bible?

I understand that you and I disagree in regard to the Inerrancy of the Bible. You are free to believe what you want sir about the Bible, but I along with thousands of other King James Bible believers in this country and across the world believe in a "hold it in your hands" infallible and inerrant Bible. The truth is that the modern versions today have no settled text but keep on changing as each new edition and revision gets rolled off the press. It is no wonder that more and more Christians today are no longer believing in the inerrancy of Scripture. Not only do the modern versions disagree among themselves in scores of places of their textual readings but their underlying Greek texts are getting revised continually. Indeed, today in scholar land and in the field of textual criticism, the doubt, confusion and uncertainty as to what God really said is only growing in the seminaries, evangelical churches, and other institutions that do not teach or believe the inerrancy of Scripture. Now on the contrary, we King James Bible believers are sure, confident and certain as to what God said and what He declared and inspired in His word: The Holy Bible.

If there is one thing that has been lost in today's seminaries and so called "prestige" universities, it is a reverence for God's holy words. Which today are found only in the King James Bible.
 

ChosenbyHim

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That is true. But they also mistranslated some words, and added sections of scripture, 1 John 5:7 being a prime example.
One more thing though sir,

1 John 5:7 is the one I specifically addressed. I am sure you took the time to read it. What is it about my response to 1 John 5:7 that you believe is wrong and incorrect? Would you mind telling me? Or showing me some evidence that 1 John 5:7 was added by the KJV translators? Since you have not yet given me an answer or provided any proof that supports your claim and backs up your statement about 1 John 5:7. Well, I look forward to your response. Good day sir and shalom,
 
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ChosenbyHim, here is a verse that ONLY the KJV has added to the Word of God, because it is not in any other translation nor in the original Hebrew,

KJV- Ezekiel 39:2 ANd I will turn thee back, and leave but the sixth part of thee. The part in blue was added in the KJV version, that's adding to the word of God. It is not correct, and is a sin. Shalom
 
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ChosenbyHim, here is a verse that ONLY the KJV has added to the Word of God, because it is not in any other translation nor in the original Hebrew,

KJV- Ezekiel 39:2 ANd I will turn thee back, and leave but the sixth part of thee. The part in blue was added in the KJV version, that's adding to the word of God. It is not correct, and is a sin. Shalom
Some people will never see it. And people wonder why the world hates Christians.
 
Nov 23, 2011
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ChosenbyHim;611395 said:
Shroom2, yes the KJV is a translation. But it is also the word of God. There are no errors in the KJV. The King James Bible is the preserved, infallible and inerrant word of God. WHen the New Testament apostles quoted from the Old Testament, they translated from Hebrew into Koine Greek.

The original Greek NT and the Greek OT (Septuagint LXX) is the preserved, infallible and inerrant Word of God. The King James Version is a fallible, man made, sometimes heretical translation of the original Bible.
It contains the Word of God in SOME of its verses, but NOT IN ALL VERSES. It is SUBJECT TO ERRORS.
The Bible does not promise that the KJV would be inspired by God. THAT IS ANATHEMA HERESY!
 
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The original Greek NT and the Greek OT (Septuagint LXX) is the preserved, infallible and inerrant Word of God.
OOC, you do know that the OT was originally written in hebrew right?
 
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Some people will never see it. And people wonder why the world hates Christians.
ouch, lol. Yes, it does get a little frustrating sometimes.
 
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OOC, you do know that the OT was originally written in hebrew right?
Actually, no he doesn't.

Old Testament: Original Hebrew OT LOST; corrupted (FALSIFIED) by the Jews.
Original Hebrew OT: PRESERVED IN GREEK LANGUAGE OT (SEPTUAGINT LXX). Keeps faith with original Hebrew OT.
True OT: Now in Greek. No completely correct Hebrew OT exists.
 
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Actually, no he doesn't.
Well that's sad and scarey. I've never even seen the OT in any kind of greek manuscript. Even the linear, is hebrew. hmmm
 

ChosenbyHim

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The original Greek NT and the Greek OT (Septuagint LXX) is the preserved, infallible and inerrant Word of God. The King James Version is a fallible, man made, sometimes heretical translation of the original Bible.
It contains the Word of God in SOME of its verses, but NOT IN ALL VERSES. It is SUBJECT TO ERRORS.
The Bible does not promise that the KJV would be inspired by God. THAT IS ANATHEMA HERESY!
I disagree with you Scott. The Holy Bible talks about its preservation and inspiration. The King James Bible is the 100% pure and true words of the living God.

Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. - Proverbs 30:5-6

Also, the Old Testament Scripture (Torah) was not given to us in Greek but Hebrew:

What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God. For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged. - Romans 3:1-4

The Old Testament was written in Hebrew and some parts of it Aramaic. The New Testament was written in Koine Greek.


The Apostles did not quote from the Septuagint LXX and neither did our Lord Jesus. They read and quoted the Hebrew Old Testament Scriptures (The Torah and the Prophets).

So I don't know where you got taught at Scott or where you are getting your information from but wherever it is, just know that you are being greatly misinformed.