The Babies of God

[JohanA]

What I see here apart from the babes in Christ is that this quote buttresses the fact that Man is not intrinsically flesh (carnal) but his behavioural pattern could give rise to flesh and make him so.

When we understand this clearly, our outlook and attitude towards sin would change and we will be able to be the spiritual beings (without sin) our Father created us to be. As St Paul enjoins us in Hebrews 6:1 -3, we will be able to move beyond the principles of the doctrine of Christ and move unto perfection and fulfil the mandate of our Father as He enjoins us to be Holy and Perfect as He is.

To be Perfect as used here means:

1. to be holy and without blame in love Ephesians 1:4
2. to be filled with the fullness of God Ephesians 3:19
3. to reach unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ Ephesians 4:13
4. reaching that state of spirituality where there is neither Jew nor Greek, neither bond nor free, neither male nor female for we are all one in Christ Jesus Galatia 3: 23
5. complete in God. Since we derive our completeness in God, we reach that state where we receive his fullness.
6, etc

I agree. The Word is Perfect. And we should be too. Because the Perfect Word of God on Jesus can create nothing else but the Perfect Jesus. When we stand together and "Edify" one another we will be what we can be. No use living in strife. For already 2000 years. While we should be Edifying one another in our Gifts. Meaning basically creating more of the Life of our Father in one another. Working together to Grow up in the Life of our Father that we got when we were born again from Him.


1 Cor. 14
26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.

 

[phil36]

I don't care if y'all think I'm a love hippie. Everybody needs to show a little more love, grace, and kindness and stand down.

Ephesians
4:29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
4:31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
4:32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

I only spoke about the Characteristic of God in which I am taking on the stubborn fighting Babies of God. In order to survive and be more than a "Conqueror". And thus you will learn and start being strong yourself too. In the Power of God. Because you are presently but "worms" in that evil spirit of strife. While you are suppose to be a "New Sharp Threshing Instrument with Teeth for the mountains".

And thus Disciplined by God to stay Babies if they do not get out from that evil spirit controlling them.

Presently we have the "Babies of God" in their various groups and denominations. All controlled by an evil spirit of strife. And all busy with their various doctrines. They don't know much and they are not much.

All you are doing is making accusations and these accusations are very vague, and not very clear in what it is you really really want to say.

And of course here is the classic get of jail card.

Good words with the wrong attitude makes it all wrong. You just want to know more in order to see how you can attack me more.

Do you maybe think people want to know what it is you are actually really trying to say. As I said before not being clear is a sign of dishonesty especially over so many posts.

 

[Dino246]

Another group??

God has no group. No physical existence. That Jesus broke down and in 3 days built the Spiritual Family of God. He is Spiritual. And such is His Family.

Hebrews 8
1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

It's a simple question, warranting a simple answer: either "Yes" or "No". I'll take it as the latter.

 

[JohanA]

We ought to be, and i pray along with the real apostles that we will be

Colossians 1:9-10
For this reason we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to ask that you may be filled with the knowledge of His will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding; that you may walk worthy of the Lord, fully pleasing [Him,] being fruitful in every good work and increasing in the knowledge of God

Then you need to know that you are Gifted too. And should assist with this "School" of God. Which is actually His Creating Ability given to us to Create more Of His Life in one another.


1 Cor. 14
26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.

 

[JohanA]

It is so wise to give each other the benefit of the doubt. First impressions are not always the best. It is Satan who desires division and strife.

Yep. Division and strife is evil spirits.

@JohanA : We have been having many false teachers of strange doctrines coming in of late.

Sure. But when we are Adults they are no problem. Only to the Babies.

Eph. 4

11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

Give us a chance to get to know you better.

That is the Holy Spirit of Love. Speaking in "The Truth in Love we will grow up into Him" I have no desire to be "not here". That may come from someone with an evils spirit. We are Brothers and Sisters together from One Father. To assist one another in Growing up in the Life of Our Father. By the Word Jesus.

 

[JohanA]

Amen.

God gave us His "Bible". That is basically the Revelation of who He is. For us to know our Father. And we become like Him. Revealing ourselves to one another. As this is what Relationship is about. An in dept Knowledge of One another. And we come to The Light of God.

John 3
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.


Because we have nothing to hide. We are all sinners in our physical existence. And we are all restored into the Existence of Jesus. By the Word of God. We have nothing to glory about. We just have our sins and physical existence washed every day. We are all the same. But some has grown more. And we need to see who they are and how they Live. In Honesty. That is what it mean to be a "Gifted Pastor". Their Lives they are Living preach The Word.

2 Cor. 3
2 Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men:
3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
4 And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward:
5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

And now i am tired. I am working in a tavern. And it is time now to go and rest. And even one of my Sons, Zola, is complaining now about me sitting in his space. Where He should be working now as my release.

 

[Dino246]

That is impossible. God gives us Brotherhood in Jesus. And by that Love we "get along in Love". You can not do that. Except bring the Gospel to me if I don't know it. And God will create the Brotherhood.

Sure. We are not in school here. We are in God's Household. There He gives Revelation on the Word. That is how we "learn". Which is actually not "learning" but growing up in His Life.

If you think God is going to teach you how to get along with other people, but you ignore the feedback you get from others, you are denser than diamonds and dumber than doorposts. You may actually be a brother in Christ, but that won't stop me from telling you when your attitude stinks, as it presently does.

When I do something wrong you just "rebuke" me. "Straightening" me out with the Sword of God's Word. This creates "fear". And people get "in line".

Whatever. I (among others) rebuke you for your arrogance. Whether you deal with it is your problem.

Your uncertainty shows itself clearly in this carnality of "belittling". You should get Word from God. Then your words will not be "belittling" in an evil spirit but Powerful in the Disciplining of the Holy Spirit of Love.

I see little evidence of the fruit of the Holy Spirit in you, which leads me to doubt your maturity in Christ. Absence of salvation is the only other possible cause. You're the one doing the slandering and belittling, calling "Babies" those about whom you know nothing.

 

[jb]

Presently we have the "Babies of God" in their various groups and denominations. All controlled by an evil spirit of strife. And all busy with their various doctrines. They don't know much and they are not much.


1 Cor. 3
1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal,even as unto babes in Christ.
2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal?
4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase

A little word from the the Scriptures to those (yourself included) who say: "'Keep to yourself, Do not come near me, For I am holier than you!' These are smoke in My nostrils, A fire that burns all the day." Isaiah 65v5

 

[oyster67]

Do you maybe think people want to know what it is you are actually really trying to say. As I said before not being clear is a sign of dishonesty especially over so many posts.

Has JA set forth any false doctrine yet?

Mark 9:40 For he that is not against us is on our part.

 

[phil36]

Has JA set forth any false doctrine yet?

Mark 9:40 For he that is not against us is on our part.

Hi Oyster67,

What is the doctrine he is trying to set forth? Why not be honest and tell us straight?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I was just noticing how accurate the thread is turning out to be regarding the strife and arguing and exposing the carnality in us in most discussions

“For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭3:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers. And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:

And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭4:

“Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like:

of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.


But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5:19-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Important post if we look at our own selves

 

[KingdomBrat]

Hi Oyster67,

What is the doctrine he is trying to set forth? Why not be honest and tell us straight?

If he is teaching he is expecting we are learning. As of now, his Doctrine is that of [Obedience]. I think it's a combination of Gospel with Matthew's Law. He could very well be another version of Messianic Jew.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Hi Oyster67,

What is the doctrine he is trying to set forth? Why not be honest and tell us straight?

He’s talking about scripture from the Bible and what the scripture teaches about this just consider the scripture and you will understand the original post

“For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God;

and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.

But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭5:12-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

there are babes in Christ who continually need to be told again and again the basics like repentance , baptism , faith in God , eternal judgement ect these basic principles are meant to be accepted and believed

“Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. And this will we do, if God permit.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭6:1-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the writer is frustrated because no one is growing up in Christ , they continually need to be taught the first basic principles like above . One can’t grow of we reject the meat that makes us grow .

some Christians can plainly see the truth about repentance and righteousness but they refuse to partake of the word of righteousness and begin to put into practice to discern good and evil

the op is in his own words talking about the scripture above that situation where you have a church with those who refuse to grow up and begin to eat solid food and become Mature . The reason is people are telling them nothing applies to them but it actually does apply to every Christian

he’s simply pointing to biblical understanding

 

[posthuman]

Then you need to know that you are Gifted too. And should assist with this "School" of God. Which is actually His Creating Ability given to us to Create more Of His Life in one another.


1 Cor. 14
26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.

Yes, and guess what me putting Colossians was?
Correcting and teaching you.

Let me teach you another thing, then:
God alone creates. We don't 'create life' in one another. We, being used of Him, encourage each other, to spur all toward more good works and deeper knowledge of Him. Eternal life is this: to know Him

It's not supposed to be about us. It's about Him

 

[posthuman]

I never spoke against your intellect. But your lack of Spiritual Growth. Classifying you as God's Baby.




Good words with the wrong attitude makes it all wrong. You just want to know more in order to see how you can attack me more.




I never mentioned this.

I only spoke about the Characteristic of God in which I am taking on the stubborn fighting Babies of God. In order to survive and be more than a "Conqueror". And thus you will learn and start being strong yourself too. In the Power of God. Because you are presently but "worms" in that evil spirit of strife. While you are suppose to be a "New Sharp Threshing Instrument with Teeth for the mountains".

Isaiah 41

14 Fear not, thou worm Jacob, and ye men of Israel; I will help thee, saith theLord, and thy redeemer, the Holy One of Israel.*n10
15 Behold, I will make thee a new sharp threshing instrument having teeth: thou shalt thresh the mountains, and beat them small, and shalt make the hills as chaff.*n11
16 Thou shalt fan them, and the wind shall carry them away, and the whirlwind shall scatter them: and thou shalt rejoice in the Lord, and shalt glory in the Holy One of Israel.

I speak against my own intelligence and understanding; I am a fool and very stupid. I should have understood you without further probing, but I needed it: this is evidence of my own idiocy.

I don't know what you're talking about 'attacking you more' - that was the first post I have ever written to you, our very first interaction.
Hi. I'm post.

I asked because you had correlated 1 Corinthians 3 with Psalm 2.
Psalm 2 tells us exactly who God holds in derision and why He does so.
So i was asking if you are really equating the two passages or just taking a verse out of context from the psalm in order to establish that sometimes God holds certain groups in derision.

That's all. It wasn't clear to me whether your intent was to say psalm 2 is about th people in Corinth or whether you just extracted the verse for your own justification.

By telling me that you 'never said that' I perceive it was the latter; you didn't take the context into consideration.

Thanks

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Yes, and guess what me putting Colossians was?
Correcting and teaching you.

Let me teach you another thing, then:
God alone creates. We don't 'create life' in one another. We, being used of Him, encourage each other, to spur all toward more good works and deeper knowledge of Him. Eternal life is this: to know Him

It's not supposed to be about us. It's about Him

amen

“Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.

Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:27-29‬ ‭

“And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

When we believe the gospel we begin to learn of and know him as our Father who Loves us , and a perfect example of what man is created to be . Both father and son are evident in the Bible and by the Holy Spirit we are pulled into the family of God knowing him through Christ and the presentation of God and man we find in the four gospels

 

[CS1]

You are not presenting your opinion you are casting judgments on others who disagree with you.

 

[CS1]

God gave us Love as our Godly Existence together. Not "honor/respect". Because "honor/respect" is humans existence in the lack of Love.

John 5

40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
41 I receive not honour from men.
42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.
43 I am come in my Father’s name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?

In the Holy Spirit of Love you will have Life. Not in human honor.

This "respect" is asked of your Baby pastors and evangelists and prophets and teachers and apostles that do not have God's Holy Spirit of Love. Because they degraded these Powerful Gifts to mere titles in front of their names for you to honor them.

Mat. 23

5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,
6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.
8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.

That is incorrect God displayed horror to men. We are to render Honnor to those whom honor is due. You really don't know what you are talking about Biblically. Have you been disciples? Do you attend church regularly? Do you submit to a local fellowship?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

That is incorrect God displayed horror to men. We are to render Honnor to those whom honor is due. You really don't know what you are talking about Biblically. Have you been disciples? Do you attend church regularly? Do you submit to a local fellowship?

which local denomination and doctrine should one submit to ? Should we just head to the local church and put our faith in the pastor ? And I guess “ submit” to someone who may be preaching anything right or wrong ?

who decides who a pastor is ? How do we know our local church is being led by the word of God ? If denominations all teach pretty key differences , which one then should we believe is the one ?

I’m not sure that submitting to a local church is biblical , but submitting to Christ and believing the gospel is biblical and then finding a church that teaches and can help us grow in the faith .

did you realize that a pastor , according to the biblical design isn’t even supposed to be the one who speaks in church ????? That’s not what scripture taught when they are together to hear Gods word

it came in later as a tradition like the ot folks gathered together and began traditions

Gods design is for two or three prophets to stand and speak to the group . The pastor was the leader and organizer but was never meant to preach every week and have his own disciples like we’ve done in the world the church in scripture was inclusive of everyone each had thier place and roles

prophets , teachers , pastors , and on down the line all had thier place , gift and function in the church . it wasn’t as it is now that design has one man speaking and all the congregation listening and being forced to accept what he’s saying as truth

But what if he’s not called to speak and teach the word of God ? Shouldn’t we want church to look like it does in scripture before we go submitting to a group ?

I think cults get a lot of folks that way Jim jones was a local charismatic pastor who quoted a scripture here and there and then preached his message , people flooded to it.

they over a short time became devoted to thier pastor and their church group . Over a longer period of time listening to his sermons , he began to explain they no Longer needed the scriptures because they had him .

eventually he convinced them to drink poison coolaid first they gave it to thier children , then took it themselves . Those who refused were shot after they had all died he short himself .

they all believed from the beginning this local pastor was to be believed because he preached from a pulpit , in the End 918 children , women and men lay dead and it began at a local Christian church where they all blindly submitted and followed a Well spoken and well versed pastor

true story

 

[SophieT]

You missed this Characteristic of God.

Psalm 2
4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.

yeah. That is not a characteristic of God.

It seems rather to pass for one of your own characteristics.

An attribute of God is not laughter leading to the derision of those He scorns because of sin

Here is the verse in context:

Why do the nations rage

and the peoples plot in vain?

2The kings of the earth take their stand

and the rulers gather together,

against the LORD

and against His Anointed One:b

3“Let us break Their chains

and cast away Their cords.”

4The One enthroned in heaven laughs;

the Lord taunts them.

5Then He rebukes them in His anger,

and terrifies them in His fury:

6“I have installed My King on Zion,

upon My holy mountain.”

I just cannot say how much I dislike people USING the word for their own purposes and somehow imagining that the holiness and power of God gives them credence to somehow do that.

chew on this:

“Do you hear what these children are saying?” they asked. “Yes,” Jesus answered. “Have you never read: ‘From the mouths of children and infants You have ordained praise’?”

Be careful not to offend a 'little one' that you did not save, do not keep, cannot raise up and that God has saved, is keeping and will raise up according to His word.