The Battle for the Beginning

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May 25, 2010
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greatblue,
i failed to answer all yourquestions so i'm posting again.

The way i see, GOD made the Earth to be inhabited by man, whom was created perfect in the image and after the likeness of the LORD GOD, which are man and light, respectively. And Adam was given the Garden and the Commandment by which he had the promise of a perpetual (eternally if necessary) for obedience to it. Quite simply though, sin began in the mind of Adam when he first considered that maybe GOD was not totally honest concerning a 'sure death'.

Consider: there were only two trees in the center of the Garden, one Adam could freely eat from, and one he could not; but, since the two trees are both the Tree of Life (Gen2:9, Rev 22:2), and they both bare the same fruit, Adam wondered why he could eat from the one, but not the other, and eating from that one would cause death (he assumed the 'sure death' was a physical death). So he thought maybe GOD did not want him to have that knowledge provide by the fruit because it would make him just like GOD. The five 'I wills' of lucifer clearly suggest that he had yet to accomplish that which he planned to do, but he truly thought it was going to happen. How? By eating the forbidden fruit, just as he told Eve she would be if she ate the fruit. But the only knowledge Adam gained from eating the fruit was the knowledge that he had just sinned, which is the knowledge of evil, aka a guilty conscience. (as long as he came to the center of the Garden but did not eat the forbidden fruit, he had the knowledge of good, aka a clear conscience.) So sin began in the mind of Adam, and it was carried out in his deception of his wife, Eve. It is for this reason that Jesus came not only to save us from the sins we commit, but also to save us from an evil mind, where sin begins. Is it not written that to have thought it is the same as if you had done it already? Then Jesus can keep even our minds from evil thinking, which leads to sinful actions or words.

Adam made the mistake of thinking he was already eternal (pride) because he was told that the only way he could die was to eat the forbidden fruit. He did not know that his eternal life was dependent upon his being able to eat from the Tree of Life because he did not know that that was its name. Thus his pride led to corrupted thinking about what was and what wasn't true.
 
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We cannot infer (assume) GOD said anything about touching the fruit, quite simply because HE didn't. Sure it seems logical that not touching the fruit would also be a 'righteous' decree; but, on the other hand, since GOD never said this, it could also be a lie with a purpose, as i believe. Adam told her this so that after he got her to say that touching the fruit would lead to death, he would take her to the center of the Garden (for the first time ever), and touch the fruit first, thereby proving her wrong, and giving her reason to believe that maybe she could eat it also. This is the reason for the 'little white lie' which Eve was deceived by.

Friend, you do understand that you're saying we can't assume God said anything, while shortly after writing a full assumption of Adam not revealed in scripture. I mean, I don't assume God said anything, I just raised that to cause you to think and consider your whole "do not touch" assumption...just so we're clear. But with what you are saying here about Adam you are literally saying that you are standing on your own words, and not God's word. Do you recognize this.

May GOD direct your study and prove my words are true, (excuse my boldness) for this truly is a revelation
from the LORD (2Thes2:3-8), and i am only a messenger who believes in GOD's WORD. i've called myself serpentslayer because by this revelation of 'That Wicked', who is the devil, we see he is just a man, and not a GOD, whereby we now have nothing to fear but our own sinfulness and disbelief, being the devil's own children. Now will you understand that the exclusion of the Serpent's seed in the Savior to come (Gen3) is the reason Mary has to be a virgin, by which man is the exclusion?
2 Thes 2:11, "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie"

Now, again, I am not attacking you but writing this out of love and asking you to consider yourself as if looking in a mirror. Your first paragraph fully narrates, in your own words, something that you believe happened in Genesis. There is not one iota of God's word that anchors the account you are creating on your own.

Your second paragraph then has you asserting that your words are true (first line); the very words that are not true according to God's word. And that you "call" yourself, a "child of satan", anything other than "sinner", is not my type of walk. And I immediately think of a kingdom divided. Well, bless you man. I pray we all get closer to getting in right in the sight of our God!

Micah 6:8, "He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the Lord require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?"
 
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For some reason Eve was deceived into believing that touching the fruit was a sure death. Can you think of a better reason someone might deceive Eve into believing that touching the fruit was a sure death, or what they may gain by it? Yes, i've states things not written, by this is where rightly dividing the Word leads to greater understanding beyond that which is plainly stated. This is rationalizing the scriptures.
Tell me then, why did Mary have to be a virgin? Was it just to prohibit the serpent's seed or man's seed from having a part in the Savior? Or, who are the serpent's seed? or what does the serpent's curse mean except for the curse of sin? or why did GOD give Adam and Eve a trial, but HE condemned the serpent without one (as it so seems)? Or why should Eve have respect on her head just because angels exist (1Cor)? Or why do you believe in angel creation even though GOD gave no witness to them in HIS account? Or how is it that the devil is the seed of evil doers, but all flesh (humans) are condemned from birth being the children of Adam? Or who gets the credit for making the world a wilderness: the devil or Adam? Or exactly what was the subtlety of the serpent by which she was deceived? You probably think the serpent was a literal snake, right? I call this myth and fable because snakes don't talk; but, as it is written, the truth would be turned into such.
Believe what you will, but you have much to answer for if it is the Truth you seek.
 

Ibe

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Great Blue,

Thank You I'll post later to night as I;m heading to town.
God Bless
"Ibe"
Wow good God, I don’t know how to respond to what all is going on in this Thread,

Thanks Great Blue,
My understanding of Genesis 2:7 rolls with the story flow of the Three Earth Age’s

Lets look at Jeremiah
Jeremiah 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, [and] I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.


Our Father shows us here, Jeremiah came from the 1st earth age,
Now you know what the word before means. Great Blue there is other examples but I’ll move on.

In the 1st Earth Age we where in Spirit Body’s but because of the Overthrow of Satan,
“T-Rex was in the Flesh then” we have their bones for proof.

Ephesians 1:4
It is unfortunate that the word foundation has been used to translate katabolee which is a combination of a prefix meaning down and bolee which is cast as used in Luke 22:41. This bolee comes from the word ballo which is usually translated cast, but also thrust and throw. Kataballo is twice translated cast down.

This overthrow is first mentioned in Genesis 1:2. The result was waste and emptiness hence the words "without form and void" translated from tohu va bohu That the overthrow is the result of judgment is clearly seen in the other references to tohu va bohu in Jeremiah 4:23


Jeremiah4:23-24-25
23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
Although Genesis 1:2 speaks only of the earth being overthrown, 2 Peter 3:6,13 says that
the heavens and the earth were overthrown. As we read through the reconstruction
process in Genesis 1 we see that it includes the heavens. And Genesis 2:1 speaks of
the heavens and earth that are now, after they were reconstructed in the 6 days.
So can you see the 1st Earth Age?
Before the overthrow, Satan defied God and lost. The earth trembled and rocked to and fro. Darkness was upon the face of the deep, for God commanded the sun and it did not shine. There was a long era of this darkness on the earth. The stars were also sealed up so that there was not a glimmer of light during that long period of waste and emptiness, read Job 9:4-7. How this was done we are not told, by intense cloud or particulate covering or by some other force we do not know but scientists today believe at one point the earth had rings like Saturn, could these have formed from ice and dust that for eons covered the outer atmosphere?

In the days of reconstruction, God spread out the heavens, the firmament of Genesis 1:6. He trod on the heights of the sea, the water above even the mountains, for all the earth was then covered with water. And when the lights in the heavens shone again, there were the Bear, Orion, and the Pleides. The mention of the stars here shows that the stars were unsealed Job 9:8-10.

It is interesting to note that this Book of Job was being written about the time or just before Moses began to write about the creation and reconstruction in Genesis!

The Psalmist (Psalms 104:5-9) tells us some of the same story on the Truth about the reconstruction. Verse 5 tells of the creation of the earth that then was, verse 6 tells of the overflow of water, even above the mountains, verse 7 tells us that these waters fled at the Word of God. They hastened away. The mountains rose, the valleys sank to the place ordained for them to rest. Bounds have been set so that they cannot again cover the earth. This is speaking of the seas, not of rain that came down and covered the earth in the time of Noah.

"Ibe"
 
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For some reason Eve was deceived into believing that touching the fruit was a sure death. Can you think of a better reason someone might deceive Eve into believing that touching the fruit was a sure death, or what they may gain by it? Yes, i've states things not written, by this is where rightly dividing the Word leads to greater understanding beyond that which is plainly stated. This is rationalizing the scriptures.
Tell me then, why did Mary have to be a virgin? Was it just to prohibit the serpent's seed or man's seed from having a part in the Savior? Or, who are the serpent's seed? or what does the serpent's curse mean except for the curse of sin? or why did GOD give Adam and Eve a trial, but HE condemned the serpent without one (as it so seems)? Or why should Eve have respect on her head just because angels exist (1Cor)? Or why do you believe in angel creation even though GOD gave no witness to them in HIS account? Or how is it that the devil is the seed of evil doers, but all flesh (humans) are condemned from birth being the children of Adam? Or who gets the credit for making the world a wilderness: the devil or Adam? Or exactly what was the subtlety of the serpent by which she was deceived? You probably think the serpent was a literal snake, right? I call this myth and fable because snakes don't talk; but, as it is written, the truth would be turned into such.
Believe what you will, but you have much to answer for if it is the Truth you seek.
Friend, I'm going to spell out my understanding as best I can. Now please, try to be a bit open here. I am not telling you what I am saying is the truth. I know one truth: I am a sinner saved by grace in Christ. Full stop. But, this is thought is what I have gathered over time. We know that God designed His beloved mankind to perpetuate itself, or "multiply", through pro-creation. Sex. Now, if the the devil was looking to strike a blow against God for banishing Him, he'd obviously want to hurt Him by hurting His beloved creation. So, the devil could realize, corrupt man before procreation and procreation falls under the "curse" of sin. Meaning "sex" is sin, even between man and wife. Now, I mean the "curse" of sin. I am not saying that a husband and wife laying together is a sinful act in God's eyes.

I have three children. They are beautiful. Experiencing child birth, a created being just "becoming"...it's like knowing God in that second they're visible. So beautiful...and yet so cursed under sin. Mary was cursed under sin. Joseph was cursed under sin. Jesus was not "conceived" through "sex" and that is why he is a sinless conception and birth. Why did Mary have to be a virgin? Well, if we accept the curse of sex under sin, and knowing our God is Holy, we may rationalize that one to His divine Holiness.

Satan's fall + Adam's fall = earth's fall. Adam is the first human father of the first child born under the curse of sin. He would then be the father, all our father, because of the curse.

I pray blessings upon you man. I really don't want animosity and it's not a whole lot of fun reading someone on a computer typing "take heed" or "but you have much to answer for". Have I attacked you? Can we take the "love" and "kindness" route? I hope God pulls you closer to Him than you could ever fathom...that is my prayer for myself as well!
 
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Wow good God, I don’t know how to respond to what all is going on in this Thread,

Thanks Great Blue,
My understanding of Genesis 2:7 rolls with the story flow of the Three Earth Age’s
Ibe, I'm going to show you what I see here and you will either see, think, and consider, or you will shut the door.

I have gathered a little bit of your story through reading various posts. I love you in Christ! I am so encouraged and even spurred on myself to hear that you spend two hours a day reading God's word! I am also so encouraged by your faithful walk of many, many years. You're sharing of this information glorifies God and, like I said, you spur me on with your faith. I truly mean this, in Christ.

Ibe, you have stated a few times that before you were even given a bible, or when you were given a bible, you were told about "the story flow of the Three Earth Ages". Now, you will call it a mystery that has been revealed to you. However, it doesn't appear that it was revealed to you by God's word, but by man's word. Is this correct? I mean...truly consider. Where did you learn the terminology "Three Earth Ages"? From God, or from man? So, when you start off with "My understanding of Genesis 2:7 rolls with the story flow of the Three Earth Ages" I hear something I don't know from God's word. Again, there isn't an 8th day in God's word. There is a "yom" in Gen 2, but God doesn't call it number 8. Again, if this is something you learned, did you learn it from God's word, or man's word? You know this answer.

Brother, I don't know you or your story. I am sorry for the way I approached you, especially when I was commenting on grammar and writing. I truly had never heard "three earth ages" before and I couldn't really grasp what you were saying. Truly...I ask your forgiveness. And, I don't want to convert you and I don't want you to convert me. I hope God continues to help you understand your faith in Him and the inner-workings of His word and how He shapes your life.

I have no doubt I believe some things that man has doctrinalized that don't match up with God's will, plan, or truth. As sinners, this is inevitable for all of us. My hope is that as we draw closer to Jesus' coming, we will all see more of what God says, and less of what we say. Bless ya Ibe.
 
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Matthew 13
35That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.
Amen to that!
 

loveme1

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LOL,Thats really wonderful, Thank You, smile

"Ibe"
You are most welcome.

It came to mind again(recently jumped out at me)when i read your reply.


Peace and Blessings in the name of Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah
 

Ibe

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Ibe, I'm going to show you what I see here and you will either see, think, and consider, or you will shut the door.

I have gathered a little bit of your story through reading various posts. I love you in Christ! I am so encouraged and even spurred on myself to hear that you spend two hours a day reading God's word! I am also so encouraged by your faithful walk of many, many years. You're sharing of this information glorifies God and, like I said, you spur me on with your faith. I truly mean this, in Christ.

Ibe, you have stated a few times that before you were even given a bible, or when you were given a bible, you were told about "the story flow of the Three Earth Ages". Now, you will call it a mystery that has been revealed to you. However, it doesn't appear that it was revealed to you by God's word, but by man's word. Is this correct? I mean...truly consider. Where did you learn the terminology "Three Earth Ages"? From God, or from man? So, when you start off with "My understanding of Genesis 2:7 rolls with the story flow of the Three Earth Ages" I hear something I don't know from God's word. Again, there isn't an 8th day in God's word. There is a "yom" in Gen 2, but God doesn't call it number 8. Again, if this is something you learned, did you learn it from God's word, or man's word? You know this answer.

Brother, I don't know you or your story. I am sorry for the way I approached you, especially when I was commenting on grammar and writing. I truly had never heard "three earth ages" before and I couldn't really grasp what you were saying. Truly...I ask your forgiveness. And, I don't want to convert you and I don't want you to convert me. I hope God continues to help you understand your faith in Him and the inner-workings of His word and how He shapes your life.

I have no doubt I believe some things that man has doctrinalized that don't match up with God's will, plan, or truth. As sinners, this is inevitable for all of us. My hope is that as we draw closer to Jesus' coming, we will all see more of what God says, and less of what we say. Bless ya Ibe.
Ibe, I'm going to show you what I see here and you will either see, think, and consider, or you will shut the door.
GreatBlue, I appreciate your time with your insight, just because we understand Scripture different, I’m not one to shut the door, I plant seeds to my understanding as I’m commanded to do. And we will all be taught the truth, in the third earth age, Heaven right here on earth. Not what this church or this denomination believes. The true doctrine of Christianity

I have gathered a little bit of your story through reading various posts. I love you in Christ! I am so encouraged and even spurred on myself to hear that you spend two hours a day reading God's word! I am also so encouraged by your faithful walk of many, many years. You're sharing of this information glorifies God and, like I said, you spur me on with your faith. I truly mean this, in Christ.

I love you as well, you are a child of God, our Father loves you, and He wants us to come to the Throne,
Isaiah 43:26 26 Put me in remembrance: let us plead together: declare thou, that thou mayest be justified.
This justification is not because our Father has forgot His Promises , he wants us to claim them, so we can be justified. He wants to know we have learned and know them, by studying to show ourselves approved

Ibe, you have stated a few times that before you were even given a bible, or when you were given a bible, you were told about "the story flow of the Three Earth Ages". Now, you will call it a mystery that has been revealed to you. However, it doesn't appear that it was revealed to you by God's word, but by man's word. Is this correct? I mean...truly consider. Where did you learn the terminology "Three Earth Ages"? From God, or from man? So, when you start off with "My understanding of Genesis 2:7 rolls with the story flow of the Three Earth Ages" I hear something I don't know from God's word. Again, there isn't an 8th day in God's word. There is a "yom" in Gen 2, but God doesn't call it number 8. Again, if this is something you learned, did you learn it from God's word, or man's word? You know this answer.
Well it was man that recorded our Fathers Letter, It’s been Man “GrandFather, Pastors, Me Seeking” but I believe its by and thru the Power of the Holy Spirit and Christian Discernments that is was reviled to me. Understanding what happened in the 1st Earth Age is most important , to understand the Sin in the Garden and what our Father is telling us in His Letter.

Brother, I don't know you or your story. I am sorry for the way I approached you, especially when I was commenting on grammar and writing. I truly had never heard "three earth ages" before and I couldn't really grasp what you were saying. Truly...I ask your forgiveness. And, I don't want to convert you and I don't want you to convert me. I hope God continues to help you understand your faith in Him and the inner-workings of His word and how He shapes your life.

No harm Great Blue, I’m blessed as some have never seen a school, We are Blessed to be brought up in a Christian Nation where we all have that opportunity learn proper grammar, but I chose a different path once I had a calculator in my hands by the eight grade I drop out of School, and put a shovel in my hand to earn money to live, pay bills, Funny though I still got one in my Hands 39 years later,lol


I have no doubt I believe some things that man has doctrinalized that don't match up with God's will, plan, or truth. As sinners, this is inevitable for all of us. My hope is that as we draw closer to Jesus' coming, we will all see more of what God says, and less of what we say. Bless ya Ibe.
And our Father knows this, that’s why we will be taught the truth, that’s why books are being kept, when they get opened up, we will be before our Lord and He is going to ask “How did that work for Ya”
Amen GB, and as our Lord is getting closer to coming, He warns us the antichrist will come first, “defacto” the book of Revelation will teach of the Three Earth Ages, and the Seven Events That bring our Father’s 2nd coming, Beware as he has told us all thing, 6 comes before 7


Matthew 7:7
7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
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