The Beauty of Liberalism

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“And she did eat, and was sufficed, and left.” Rth_2:14

Whenever we are privileged to eat of the bread which Jesus gives, we are, like Ruth, satisfied with the full and sweet repast. When Jesus is the host no guest goes empty from the table. Our head is satisfied with the precious truth which Christ reveals; our heart is content with Jesus, as the altogether lovely object of affection; our hope is satisfied, for whom have we in heaven but Jesus? and our desire is satiated, for what can we wish for more than “to know Christ and to be found in him?” Jesus fills our conscience till it is at perfect peace; our judgment with persuasion of the certainty of his teachings; our memory with recollections of what he has done, and our imagination with the prospects of what he is yet to do. As Ruth was “sufficed, and left,” so is it with us. We have had deep draughts; we have thought that we could take in all of Christ; but when we have done our best we have had to leave a vast remainder. We have sat at the table of the Lord’s love, and said, “Nothing but the infinite can ever satisfy me; I am such a great sinner that I must have infinite merit to wash my sin away;” but we have had our sin removed, and found that there was merit to spare; we have had our hunger relieved at the feast of sacred love, and found that there was a redundance of spiritual meat remaining. There are certain sweet things in the Word of God which we have not enjoyed yet, and which we are obliged to leave for awhile; for we are like the disciples to whom Jesus said, “I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.” Yes, there are graces to which we have not attained; places of fellowship nearer to Christ which we have not reached; and heights of communion which our feet have not climbed. At every banquet of love there are many baskets of fragments left. Let us magnify the liberality of our glorious Boaz.

Charles Spurgeon from Morning and Evening.

(And, yeah. It does truly remind me of the problem conservatism has on us and our countries. I love how Jesus fills. I also wonder... aren't we supposed to fill like a shadow of what Jesus fills us with?)
 

RickyZ

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I agree with this premise ... but boy are you gonna get it from the Trumpeteers on this site!
 
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I loved reading this, thank you!
I don't understand the thought that liberals are giving and conservatives are stingy or withholding, but I did enjoy reading this. :)
 

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(And, yeah. It does truly remind me of the problem conservatism has on us and our countries. I love how Jesus fills. I also wonder... aren't we supposed to fill like a shadow of what Jesus fills us with?)
Before I comment on this post, I would like to hear your clarification on this statement...

Can you elaborate?
 

maxwel

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I agree with hornetguy.

I have no idea what this Spurgeon passage has to do with the Conservative/Liberal political debate.
 

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I have no idea what Sturgeon is trying to get over regardless.
 
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I think he was trying to say...there are always more depths to plumb in God. Sometimes I get to thinking I know all about Him and then He moves me on and I realize I knew almost nothing about Him.
 

Locutus

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I think he was trying to say...there are always more depths to plumb in God. Sometimes I get to thinking I know all about Him and then He moves me on and I realize I knew almost nothing about Him.
That's why I've never been a fan of these homily type "sermons" - spit it out man!!!

:p
 

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Before I comment on this post, I would like to hear your clarification on this statement...

Can you elaborate?
My enjoyment of how much God fills us seems 180 degrees different in what I think (as a conservative) what others "should get." God has given all of himself to us, and yet there is still more to give that we cannot bear. There are leftovers from his giving.

And yet, as a conservative, I find myself giving what's bare minimum for any needed only. A word, a need, money, always the least of what is needed. We certainly don't want to overabundant someone, or they'll just want more. Much like the conservative party. It's the mentality of our political beliefs, not God's.
 

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I took it as God gives and gives to us sinners who are so needy and in need of Him and He is and has willingly given us all of Him where the conservative thought is more on the line of maybe I don't mind giving a little but each must earn his own and I will earn my own. God is the liberal in this case giving to all of us without restraint even though none of us deserve it and a lot of conservative thought is those who don't work for it don't deserve it.

Thank God He is very liberal with His love for all of us.

I'm not saying conservatives don't ever give but there are a lot of hard line thinking on each must earn their own. Just my thoughts/opinion.
 

Bladerunner

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“And she did eat, and was sufficed, and left.” Rth_2:14

Whenever we are privileged to eat of the bread which Jesus gives, we are, like Ruth, satisfied with the full and sweet repast. When Jesus is the host no guest goes empty from the table. Our head is satisfied with the precious truth which Christ reveals; our heart is content with Jesus, as the altogether lovely object of affection; our hope is satisfied, for whom have we in heaven but Jesus? and our desire is satiated, for what can we wish for more than “to know Christ and to be found in him?” Jesus fills our conscience till it is at perfect peace; our judgment with persuasion of the certainty of his teachings; our memory with recollections of what he has done, and our imagination with the prospects of what he is yet to do. As Ruth was “sufficed, and left,” so is it with us. We have had deep draughts; we have thought that we could take in all of Christ; but when we have done our best we have had to leave a vast remainder. We have sat at the table of the Lord’s love, and said, “Nothing but the infinite can ever satisfy me; I am such a great sinner that I must have infinite merit to wash my sin away;” but we have had our sin removed, and found that there was merit to spare; we have had our hunger relieved at the feast of sacred love, and found that there was a redundance of spiritual meat remaining. There are certain sweet things in the Word of God which we have not enjoyed yet, and which we are obliged to leave for awhile; for we are like the disciples to whom Jesus said, “I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.” Yes, there are graces to which we have not attained; places of fellowship nearer to Christ which we have not reached; and heights of communion which our feet have not climbed. At every banquet of love there are many baskets of fragments left. Let us magnify the liberality of our glorious Boaz.

Charles Spurgeon from Morning and Evening.

(And, yeah. It does truly remind me of the problem conservatism has on us and our countries. I love how Jesus fills. I also wonder... aren't we supposed to fill like a shadow of what Jesus fills us with?)

Rem these words when the Rapture Happens and If you are left behind.
 

hornetguy

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My enjoyment of how much God fills us seems 180 degrees different in what I think (as a conservative) what others "should get." God has given all of himself to us, and yet there is still more to give that we cannot bear. There are leftovers from his giving.

And yet, as a conservative, I find myself giving what's bare minimum for any needed only. A word, a need, money, always the least of what is needed. We certainly don't want to overabundant someone, or they'll just want more. Much like the conservative party. It's the mentality of our political beliefs, not God's.
Ok... thanks..

I think that "giving" to people is a double edged sword, as you hinted at... Many, many people that truly need help will gladly accept and be thankful for whatever is given to them. Others have a sense of entitlement, and for those, there is never enough to give.. they always want "more".

And, as Jesus even told his disciples, there will always be "the poor"... it's impossible to eliminate poverty. I believe that we should do whatever we can to help the truly needy, but we should use good judgment and stewardship in the help.

If we buy one needy family a house and a car, and all the "trimmings", we likely will not have any funds left to buy food for another family. So, how much do we give? We have to be wise with the benevolence... and it's a tough line to find, sometimes.

I read a survey a few years back that compared charitable giving between political conservatives and liberals.... the conservatives out-gave the liberals by a HUGE margin. I wish I could find the study to post it here...

Don't just talk the talk...
 

kaylagrl

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My enjoyment of how much God fills us seems 180 degrees different in what I think (as a conservative) what others "should get." God has given all of himself to us, and yet there is still more to give that we cannot bear. There are leftovers from his giving.

And yet, as a conservative, I find myself giving what's bare minimum for any needed only. A word, a need, money, always the least of what is needed. We certainly don't want to overabundant someone, or they'll just want more. Much like the conservative party. It's the mentality of our political beliefs, not God's.

Quote"We certainly don't want to overabundant someone, or they'll just want more. Much like the conservative party. It's the mentality of our political beliefs, not God's."

No,I don't agree with that,sorry. I believe vets,elderly,poor deserve all the help they need.I have no issue with that and any conservative I know doesnt.What Im against is those playing the system.I attend a small church with mostly older folk and that little church gives more to missions and the poor than churches twice our size.They give locally,they give to needs overseas. Im not against giving in abundance.Im against the govt supporting people from cradle to grave.And God feels the same way,if you don't work you dont deserve to eat.
 
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“And she did eat, and was sufficed, and left.” Rth_2:14

Whenever we are privileged to eat of the bread which Jesus gives, we are, like Ruth, satisfied with the full and sweet repast. When Jesus is the host no guest goes empty from the table. Our head is satisfied with the precious truth which Christ reveals; our heart is content with Jesus, as the altogether lovely object of affection; our hope is satisfied, for whom have we in heaven but Jesus? and our desire is satiated, for what can we wish for more than “to know Christ and to be found in him?” Jesus fills our conscience till it is at perfect peace; our judgment with persuasion of the certainty of his teachings; our memory with recollections of what he has done, and our imagination with the prospects of what he is yet to do. As Ruth was “sufficed, and left,” so is it with us. We have had deep draughts; we have thought that we could take in all of Christ; but when we have done our best we have had to leave a vast remainder. We have sat at the table of the Lord’s love, and said, “Nothing but the infinite can ever satisfy me; I am such a great sinner that I must have infinite merit to wash my sin away;” but we have had our sin removed, and found that there was merit to spare; we have had our hunger relieved at the feast of sacred love, and found that there was a redundance of spiritual meat remaining. There are certain sweet things in the Word of God which we have not enjoyed yet, and which we are obliged to leave for awhile; for we are like the disciples to whom Jesus said, “I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.” Yes, there are graces to which we have not attained; places of fellowship nearer to Christ which we have not reached; and heights of communion which our feet have not climbed. At every banquet of love there are many baskets of fragments left. Let us magnify the liberality of our glorious Boaz.

Charles Spurgeon from Morning and Evening.

(And, yeah. It does truly remind me of the problem conservatism has on us and our countries. I love how Jesus fills. I also wonder... aren't we supposed to fill like a shadow of what Jesus fills us with?)
:)I loved the devotional but the parting shot/statement about conservatism had christian news forum written all over It.:)
 

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I have no idea what Sturgeon is trying to get over regardless.
Sturgeon is trying to lay eggs for caviar. lol

(I'm sorry. I tried. I really did try, but I used to think his name was the same as the big fish in Russia that caviar comes from, and I just couldn't suppress that joke any longer. lol)
 

Locutus

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Sturgeon is trying to lay eggs for caviar. lol

(I'm sorry. I tried. I really did try, but I used to think his name was the same as the big fish in Russia that caviar comes from, and I just couldn't suppress that joke any longer. lol)


The whole thing sounded fishy to me....:p
 

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Ok... thanks..

I think that "giving" to people is a double edged sword, as you hinted at... Many, many people that truly need help will gladly accept and be thankful for whatever is given to them. Others have a sense of entitlement, and for those, there is never enough to give.. they always want "more".

And, as Jesus even told his disciples, there will always be "the poor"... it's impossible to eliminate poverty. I believe that we should do whatever we can to help the truly needy, but we should use good judgment and stewardship in the help.

If we buy one needy family a house and a car, and all the "trimmings", we likely will not have any funds left to buy food for another family. So, how much do we give? We have to be wise with the benevolence... and it's a tough line to find, sometimes.

I read a survey a few years back that compared charitable giving between political conservatives and liberals.... the conservatives out-gave the liberals by a HUGE margin. I wish I could find the study to post it here...

Don't just talk the talk...
I know we (conservatives) do give more. Just saw another study the other day. And I wonder if that isn't true because Christians tend to be conservative more often than liberal. (Tend, JesusLives, tend. Not making that a blanket statement, and I know it's not ever going to be a given, nor should it be. ;))

But, yeah. I really like the way God gives us way more than we can even consume. And, yeah, somehow, when I think of giving it is always under the "how much do you need" concept. Once I learn the need, it just doesn't dawn on me to give even more than the need.

Because God gives me the whole Thanksgiving Day spread, I'm thinking this reminds me that if I can only afford to give someone else a P & J (peanut butter and jelly sandwich -- in case that's a regionalism), how about at least adding a Hershey Kiss with it too? (Figuratively speaking. I'm not really talking just food.)