THE BEMA SEAT....YET ANOTHER PRETRIB RAPTURE DYNAMIC

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The judgement seat of Christ is the judgement seat of God. Both saved and unsaved face him,

Knowing, therefore, the terror of the Lord, we persuade men 2Cor.5:11
The bema is soley for those in Christ.
It is strictly rewards/works based
 

Journeyman

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The bema is soley for those in Christ.
It is strictly rewards/works based
No it isn't,

the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. - So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. Rom.14:10-12

In this passage, Paul quotes the OT where it is clearly all mankind, both living and dead being judged by Jesus.
 
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It would be worth 15 minutes of your time to see other verses that show the works rewarded at the bema seat.
Perry does an excellent job as always.

Of course the works are Christ based or kingdom based.

Even the overcomers recieve crowns.
Evangelism works earns crowns.
Etc
Its the judgment seat of Christ. The father pouring out his wrath on the Son of God . Not the judgment seat of believer. Christ sat in our place and suffered unto death the pangs of hell, the father strengthening him to finish the work of two . When Jesus said it was finished the grave were opened those saint 10 thousands were released and they entered heaven .The ressurection or rapture a gate that will stay open until the last day. .

The Bible declares all get the same reward. A pennies worth. . . . . equals eternal life.

God will not reward us for a wonderful work He performs in us in order to both will. .(give us a desire) , and do . (empower us to work it out.)

Why murmur like those in the Mathew 2O parable, like the person in Mathew 7 or Philippians 2 ? as those who have done the wonderful works .

Jesus never said the many in Mathew 7 they did not work through his word, prophesying and the gospel casted out the lying spirts. He called them a worker of iniquity .Usurping the authority of His name. Having ii in respect to self self-edification. Pride before the fall. (I never knew you)

In Hebrews he declares as the better thing that accompanies salvation .He will not forget the good works we do offer towards Him who as Emanuel does work in us, to both will and do his good pleasure.

No hall of fame which some go after. Rather than walking by sight building bigger barns to store the rewards. Humble one self under the hearing of faith that does work in us..

He moved a Donkey an animal used in a ceremonial law to represent unredeemed mankind in the Old testament in order to stop the madness of a false prophet, Balaam .God is not served by human hands . The ones that desire fame are moved to the back behind Jesus. Like Jesus said to Satan get thee behind me. And forgave Peter.

Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not "prophesied in thy name?" and in thy name "have cast out devils"? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


Matthew 20 King James Version (KJV) For the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which went out early in the morning to hire labourers into his vineyard. And when he had agreed with the labourers for a penny a day, he sent them into his vineyard. And he went out about the third hour, and saw others standing idle in the marketplace, And said unto them; Go ye also into the vineyard, and whatsoever is right I will give you. And they went their way. Again he went out about the sixth and ninth hour, and did likewise. And about the eleventh hour he went out, and found others standing idle, and saith unto them, Why stand ye here all the day idle? They say unto him, Because no man hath hired us. He saith unto them, Go ye also into the vineyard; and whatsoever is right, that shall ye receive.So when even was come, the lord of the vineyard saith unto his steward, Call the labourers, and give them their hire, beginning from the last unto the first. And when they came that were hired about the eleventh hour, they received every man a penny. But when the first came, they supposed that they should have received more; and they likewise received every man a penny. And when they had received it, they murmured against the goodman of the house, Saying, These last have wrought but one hour, and thou hast made them equal unto us, which have borne the burden and heat of the day. But he answered one of them, and said, Friend, I do thee no wrong: didst not thou agree with me for a penny? Take that thine is, and go thy way: I will give unto this last, even as unto thee.Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?Mathew 20: 1-15

For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.Do all things without murmurings and disputings:philipians 2:12-13
 

Jackson123

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Perry Stone ,who has friends in several end times doctrine camps ,brings out the component of the bema seat contrasting it in other views.

I wich pretrib, but the Bible say otherwise.


2 Thessalonians 2 King James Version (KJV)
2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Talking matt 25 when I am hungry you feed me

Loving and caring people go to heaven

Is that mean salvation by work?

Salvation is by faith not by work but when you have faith in Jesus and invite Him to direct your life, than He change you become loving and caring person.

Real Christian bear fruit and the fruit of Holy Spirit is love
 

TheDivineWatermark

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^ Jackson123, the text in 2Th2:2-3 is [basically] saying (Paul to the Thessalonians), don't allow anyone to convince you that "the Day of the Lord IS PRESENT [G1764 - enestēken - PERFECT indicative]" (v.2); and then he explains WHY it is NOT PRESENT, by saying, "that day [the one being spoken about in the IMMEDIATELY PRECEDING verse, v.2... NOT the noun-event in v.1, skipping clear back over and past the Subject he introduced in v.2!] [that day, the DOTL time period from v.2] will NOT be present, if not shall have come the departure *FIRST* [the noun-event from v.1, now] and [distinctly] the man of sin be revealed" (he is "revealed" at the START of the 7-yr trib [2:9a,8a], not at its MIDDLE [2:4], nor at its END [2:9b]).


Paul is providing the SEQUENCE (what happens when in relation to what other thing); and he repeats this SEQUENCE 3x in this context (2Th2:3-9a), which is in agreement also with the SEQUENCE provided in 1Th4 and 5 (not to mention, other passages as well)
 

wolfwint

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According to my understanding that would be the hope of those who literalize the signified understanding of a "thousand years". It is used 9 times in the bible to signify a unknown .The faith principle.

Some have as it seems turned it into a sign and wonder. Like the faithless Jew. . "what miracle will you show us so the we can believe".

Jesus referred to as a evil generation (no faith).Natural unconverted mankind.
We will for shure see🙂