Would your primary reason for advocating the 66 books as canon (excluding the OT Apocrypha) be that the latter has no full preserved hebrew/aramaic text? As for the KJV 1611 including the OT Apocrypha (and having them in a section, named Apocrypha) it is correct. As to how they were removed from most KJV bibles is foremost to be found in that the calvinists at the time would see to it that they were removed. The lutherans kept them in their bibles, with Luther's disclaimer, in a separate section, named Apocrypha. The later London Bible Society, which popularized Bible printing, was on the calvinist position as to exclude the OT Apocrypha.
The biblical canon...any books missing from the Bible that ought to be there?
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Thank you.. I have read what is called teh Apocrypha, and I enjoyed it. My faith has not been shaken because of reading it, and like my good example, Mary, mother of our Lord, I have kept it in my heart until I understand why it should not be include Good Book. I have noted in the New Testament, at least in one version or another, a direct reverence to those writings, but do not ask me where right now, please. As you and Psychomom have touched upon, and I did make mention alos, if any writings are to be cnonnized in the future or removed, our Father will see to it in His time and at the right moment, but I think what we have is more than sufficient for one's walk with Jesus after his salvation.
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Seriously, I don't worship the KJV. I told you I don't worship it. Please take a step back and listen to yourself, my friend. When you repeatedly keep making these kinds of mindless and hateful statements, you sound like you are a part of an angry mob or something (That won't listen to anyone).
everyone knows your worshiping an english translation which is even outdated.
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Not sure where you get this, I have never seen the bible split into sections as you claim. And I have been to many dispensational churches.
All true dispensationalism does is try to divide sections of time in which God dealt with man kind in different ways, to make it easier to understand how God progressed from adam intil the last day on earth.
All true dispensationalism does is try to divide sections of time in which God dealt with man kind in different ways, to make it easier to understand how God progressed from adam intil the last day on earth.
Jasher 89:8 8 The sun and moon stood still in heaven, and thou didst stand in thy wrath against our oppressors and didst command thy judgments over them.
Joshua 10:13 So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, till the nation avenged itself on its enemies, as it is written in the Book of Jashar. The sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day.
Jasher 81: 43 Then sang Moses and the children of Israel this song unto the Lord, on the day when the Lord caused the Egyptians to fall before them.
44 And all Israel sang in concert, saying, I will sing to the Lord for He is greatly exalted, the horse and his rider has he cast into the sea; behold it is written in the book of the law of God.
2 Samuel 1:18 and he ordered that the people of Judah be taught this lament of the bow (it is written in the Book of Jashar):
Joshua 10:13 So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, till the nation avenged itself on its enemies, as it is written in the Book of Jashar. The sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day.
Jasher 81: 43 Then sang Moses and the children of Israel this song unto the Lord, on the day when the Lord caused the Egyptians to fall before them.
44 And all Israel sang in concert, saying, I will sing to the Lord for He is greatly exalted, the horse and his rider has he cast into the sea; behold it is written in the book of the law of God.
2 Samuel 1:18 and he ordered that the people of Judah be taught this lament of the bow (it is written in the Book of Jashar):
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....certain verses stick out to me more than others.
For example:
John 21:25And there are also many other things which Jesus did, which if they were written in detail, I suppose that even the world itself would not contain the books that would be written.
I look at it like this, authors are selective, they self-edit themselves, we have only partial knowledge in Jesus, much more happened that is not written down, yet what is in the book(s) is all we need to know in order to live in faith.
For example:
John 21:25And there are also many other things which Jesus did, which if they were written in detail, I suppose that even the world itself would not contain the books that would be written.
I look at it like this, authors are selective, they self-edit themselves, we have only partial knowledge in Jesus, much more happened that is not written down, yet what is in the book(s) is all we need to know in order to live in faith.
The key element in dispensationalism is all about dividing divine intervention history into dispensations, ending with "church history". Always making a huge distinction between the Church and Israel they land with an emphasis stressing: this was the old covenant, this is the new covenant, this is for the jews, this is for the church. Some dispensational groups just take this to the extreme of having only the epistles of Paul as relevant for the church and its age.
Not sure there is a term for that? We have the 'two house' and the 'one house' crowds though. Being of the covenant theology position I have the privilege to view divine intervention history as a single covenant of grace, being ratified by the blood of Christ. The Church having always existed, being one people called Israel. Simple truth.
As for dispensations (or periods of time mentioned in the Scriptures): Well, I believe the Bible clearly teaches that there will be a Tribulation, and a 1,000 year reign of Christ; And that both believing Jews and Gentles will be present during both of those time periods (that are yet future). After that, there will be a New Heavens and a New Earth were all believers will reign with Christ for all eternity where there will be no more pain, sorrow, death, etc. If you are looking for Scripture on these different periods or ages of time, I can provide that for you (If you are interested).
As for believers today making a separation between the Old Covenant and a New Covenant: Well, think of it is terms of the Old Covenant as an apple seed that gets fulfilled into becoming an apple tree (i.e. the New Covenant). For Jesus said he came not to destroy but to fulfill. For if I destroyed an apple seed I would take a hammer and smash it. But if I took that apple seed and planted it in good ground and watered it properly, it would then have the potential to fulfill it's intended purpose by it growing into an apple tree.
For there are many things we can learn from the Old Testament (Like the confirmation of the New Testament teachings within the Old, the origin of things, and the Typifications of Christ, and seeing how God's entire plan of salvation was to be played out from the Old to the New). However, that said, I do not believe the Old Testament Law of Moses is still binding for us today, though. Based on Scripture, I believe a Christian obeys the Law of Christ or those laws set out under the New Testament. How so?
Well, for one, there are 1,050 + New Testament Commands and only 613 Old Testament Commands (Which would make it very complex to obey both of them). Two, many laws have changed when Jesus came (So the New Testament Commands actually conflict with the Old Testament Commands in certain cases). For Jesus changed the Law of an eye for an eye and said to instead to turn the other cheek. Peter was told to eat unclean animals by God in a vision. This was a change in the OT Law. Also, when Jesus was crucified, the Temple veil was torn in the Temple; Meaning, that the animal sacrifices were no longer necessary because Jesus is now our Passover Lamb now. For Christians are not seeking to rebuild the Temple today so as to sacrifice animals again. The animal sacrifices were just shadows or types of Jesus Christ. This animal sacrifices were a part of the Law in the Old Testament, but are no longer necessary in the New. For no man puts old wine into new wine skins otherwise it will cause them to burst.
Third, Scripture actually states that the New will replace the Old.
Check the many articles on this point of topic here at Grace Community International (Starting with this article):
https://www.gci.org/law/lawmoses
For GCI helped me alot to understand the difference between the Old and the New.
As for believers today making a separation between the Old Covenant and a New Covenant: Well, think of it is terms of the Old Covenant as an apple seed that gets fulfilled into becoming an apple tree (i.e. the New Covenant). For Jesus said he came not to destroy but to fulfill. For if I destroyed an apple seed I would take a hammer and smash it. But if I took that apple seed and planted it in good ground and watered it properly, it would then have the potential to fulfill it's intended purpose by it growing into an apple tree.
For there are many things we can learn from the Old Testament (Like the confirmation of the New Testament teachings within the Old, the origin of things, and the Typifications of Christ, and seeing how God's entire plan of salvation was to be played out from the Old to the New). However, that said, I do not believe the Old Testament Law of Moses is still binding for us today, though. Based on Scripture, I believe a Christian obeys the Law of Christ or those laws set out under the New Testament. How so?
Well, for one, there are 1,050 + New Testament Commands and only 613 Old Testament Commands (Which would make it very complex to obey both of them). Two, many laws have changed when Jesus came (So the New Testament Commands actually conflict with the Old Testament Commands in certain cases). For Jesus changed the Law of an eye for an eye and said to instead to turn the other cheek. Peter was told to eat unclean animals by God in a vision. This was a change in the OT Law. Also, when Jesus was crucified, the Temple veil was torn in the Temple; Meaning, that the animal sacrifices were no longer necessary because Jesus is now our Passover Lamb now. For Christians are not seeking to rebuild the Temple today so as to sacrifice animals again. The animal sacrifices were just shadows or types of Jesus Christ. This animal sacrifices were a part of the Law in the Old Testament, but are no longer necessary in the New. For no man puts old wine into new wine skins otherwise it will cause them to burst.
Third, Scripture actually states that the New will replace the Old.
Check the many articles on this point of topic here at Grace Community International (Starting with this article):
https://www.gci.org/law/lawmoses
For GCI helped me alot to understand the difference between the Old and the New.
If you are interested I cover a lot of different territory on the Old Testament in my post here at TOL
(If you are interested):
ECT Christians and the Old Testament - Page 2 - Theology Online | Christian Forums & More
Side Note:
Please take note that I did say some similar things I have already said to you here.
Anyways, peace, blessings, and love be unto you from the Lord.
(If you are interested):
ECT Christians and the Old Testament - Page 2 - Theology Online | Christian Forums & More
Side Note:
Please take note that I did say some similar things I have already said to you here.
Anyways, peace, blessings, and love be unto you from the Lord.