The Biblical Resurrection

[KJV1611]

Bend & Twist

John 5:28-29 has absolutely no connection to John 5:25, (None)

Verse 25 is representative of hearing the word and living, verses 28-29 are specifically showing the future resurrection and final judgement.

You deny a future second coming of Jesus Christ in the heavens

You deny a future bodily resurrection of the believer

(Full Preterism) Is Heretical

(Joh 5:28) Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
(Joh 5:29) And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

I'm confused, are your trying to say that when Jesus went to the grave, those in the grave didn't hear his voice?

 

[Benadam]

beleive his earthen corrupted body of death was used for a one demonstration. His body did not die and return to the dust never to rise again (death of a unbeliever.) The father kept it from corrupting totall

Jesus didn't inherit death so His Body saw no corruption. Death has a hold on our bodies. That's why it rebels against our will. Not so for Jesus. The passages I'm posting distinguishes our bodies of death from Jesus' body. Ours is rescued out of corruption His never saw corruption

Acts 13:34-37

34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.

35 Wherefore he saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

36 For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption:

37 But he, whom God raised again, saw no corruption

 

[presidente]

Three days and nights the father worked with the Son . On the third day he woke up and walked out. Same flesh and blood he had when he entered.

Christ is the firsfruits of them that slept.

In that way there is no such thing as holiness of the corrupted flesh of mankind .[/quote[

I Thessalonians 5
23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[presidente]

I'm not quite ready to repent yet but I certainly will if need be and maybe you can help. In 1Co 15:42 can you explain what "it" is and what is the corruption that "it" is sown in?

(1Co 15:42) So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

If you want to get micro-technical, there is no 'it' in the letter Paul wrote. Greek apparently did not need a pronoun there. I take it to refer to the body which is sown, which is consistent with the verse that follows.

I'm not sure how any interpretation of 'it' could support the idea that there is no transformation of the body.

 

[presidente]

(1Co 15:42) So also is the resurrection of the dead. The natural human body is sown in corruption; the natural human body is raised in incorruption:

I substituted in your definition of "it". So my next question is what is the corruption that the natural body is sown in? Remember this a seed analogy.

No, you did not. In the first case, it is the body we have now. In the later case, it is the transformed body post resurrection.

In the chapter, Paul ties our resurrection to Christs. If there is no resurrection, Christ was not raised. Well, how was Christ raised? His body went into the tomb, but it came out alive, and He was different, not mortal anymore. He was able to appear in rooms without opening the door. He ascended into heaven. I John says we shall be like Him for we shall see Him as He is.

Also, notice these verses in I Corinthians 15

21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Jesus is the firsfruits of the resurrection. Why would our resurrection be so completely different from Christ's?

 

[Truth7t7]

No, you did not. In the first case, it is the body we have now. In the later case, it is the transformed body post resurrection.

In the chapter, Paul ties our resurrection to Christs. If there is no resurrection, Christ was not raised. Well, how was Christ raised? His body went into the tomb, but it came out alive, and He was different, not mortal anymore. He was able to appear in rooms without opening the door. He ascended into heaven. I John says we shall be like Him for we shall see Him as He is.

Also, notice these verses in I Corinthians 15

21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Jesus is the firsfruits of the resurrection. Why would our resurrection be so completely different from Christ's?

Absolutely!

Christ Was The (FirstFruit) of the bodily resurrection.

Please excuse those that teach the heresy if (Full Preterism)

Denial of a future second coming and a bodily resurrection of the believer.

 

[garee]

No, you did not. In the first case, it is the body we have now. In the later case, it is the transformed body post resurrection.

In the chapter, Paul ties our resurrection to Christs. If there is no resurrection, Christ was not raised. Well, how was Christ raised? His body went into the tomb, but it came out alive, and He was different, not mortal anymore. He was able to appear in rooms without opening the door. He ascended into heaven. I John says we shall be like Him for we shall see Him as He is.

Also, notice these verses in I Corinthians 15

21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Jesus is the firsfruits of the resurrection. Why would our resurrection be so completely different from Christ's?

God is not a man .And neither is there any fleshly infallible interpreter set between God not seen and man seen. The temporal body that was used for the one time propmised demonstration did not die never to rise again . When the work of two was finished with all the demonstrations of the Spirit that worked in him he disappeared. Like Enoch.(flesh and blood did not enter heaven.

it was a demonstration of the unseen actual work .The lamb of God slain before the foundation of the world. Not from the demonstration what the eyes see. Coming to earth in a powerless body of death was necessary to do what the letter of the law (the Bible) death could not do bring new spirit life.

Some did know Christ after the temporal flesh a33 year window. When he disappeared before leaving he left instruction we are not think of flesh and blood when it comes to Christ who indwells a person . Its Christ in us .Not the Son of man in us . We are the son of men or daughter of men at birth .

God is not a man his temporal corrupted body cannot walk through doors.

The father working with the Son prevented total death . The father never stopped strengthening him as Jesus cried out for more for three days. Four days for Lazarus .

No man has received their new bodies incorruptible body .It will be neither male nor female Jew nor gentile as the one bride of Christ . As sons of God

 

[garee]

When does/has the event below take place?

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

That event is past. Many in heaven witnesses it .

 

[Truth7t7]

That event is past. Many in heaven witnesses it .

1. Do you believe in a future literal second coming of Jesus Christ in the clouds of heaven?

2. Do you believe in a future bodily resurrection of the dead believers in Jesus Christ?

 

[Apostol2013]

(1Co 15:35) But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
(1Co 15:36) Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
(1Co 15:37) And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:

Paul illustrates the resurrection using seeds and plants. If you look at the resurrection from that perspective, you will see that the resurrection isn't about the resurrection of our earthly bodies, but it is about the raising of our soul, or our 'being", the real us, from death to life. As the bible says "I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me". We as believers "have been raised from death unto life".... this is the resurrection.

In verse 36 Paul says "that which thou sowest is not quickened except it die". At first thought it would seem as though Paul is talking about our body dying but he isn't because "the plant", which is analogous to our bodies, IS NOT SOWN, seeds are sown.

In verse 37 we are told exactly that. "That which is sown, IS NOT the body that shall be", NOR is it our earthly body. That which is sown is BARE GRAIN.... a seed. That seed is our soul or our 'being", the real us that is sown into this earthly body of corruption.

So the resurrection of the dead, it has nothing to do with raising our mortal bodies from the dead.

It has always been about spirit for it is written for this corruptable must put on incorruption or how about in stinking of an eye we all will be transformed .