The Big Revelation Quest

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Osprey

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Is the rapture Pre Tribulation or Post Tribulation?
 

Nehemiah6

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Is the rapture Pre Tribulation or Post Tribulation?
Since the Tribulation is for the unsaved, the unbelieving, and the ungodly, the Rapture must be before the Tribulation period begins.

For confirmation we need to study Revelation chapters 4-18. These describe both the Tribulation and the Great Tribulation (called the Day of the LORD in the OT). The 6th and 7th seal judgments are a part of the Great Tribulation.

We will notice that the words *church* and *churches* are absent from these chapters, which is very significant. On the other hand Revelation 1-3 is focused on churches during the first century.
 

Ahwatukee

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Is the rapture Pre Tribulation or Post Tribulation?
Greetings Osprey!

The key to understanding the chronological order of Revelation is found in Rev.1:19, which divides the book into three parts:

"Write, therefore, what you have seen, what is now and what will take place later. "


What you have seen = Everything from Rev.1:1 thru 1:19

What is now = Represented by the letters to the church, which also represent the entire church period

What will take place later = The events which take place after the now, i.e. after the church period

That said, we are currently still in the "what is now" part of what John was told to write, i.e. we are still in the church period.

Revelation 4:1-2 is a prophetic allusion to the gathering of the church. That "voice that sounds like a trumpet" is synonymous with the "trumpet of God" found in Paul's description of the church being gathered in I Thessalonians 4:16. This is why, as Nehemiah6 mentioned in the previous post, we do not see the word "church" anymore within chapters 6 thru 18, but switches exclusively to the word "Saints" and never uses the word "church" again within the narrative of God's wrath. Likewise, in chapters 1 thru 3, we only see the word "church" used, but not the word "Saints." God has made a distinction here to alert those who are diligently searching out His word, which is why those who are opposed to this truth don't see it, but instead contend against it.

The "what is now" will be fulfilled when the Lord descends from heaven to the atmosphere and with that voice that sounds like a trumpet, He will call the entire church up beginning with those who have already died in Him and then immediately after that, the living in Christ will be changed and caught up, where according to John 14:1-3, the Lord will take the entire group back to the Father's house to those places that He has prepared for us. Once the church has been gathered, then the "what must take place later" will begin, with the antichrist being revealed some time afterwards.

The "what is now" is just above over, for we can see the stage being set for the events that must take place after the church is gone and during the time of God's wrath.

God help those who get trapped in the "what must take place later!"
 

trofimus

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We do not know, yet.

In all cases, we should be prepared to die for our faith.
 

Stunnedbygrace

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I believe our gathering will be before the tribulation. I don't fight about it though. Sure do like to discuss it with my siblings though if they are calm about it! I like to hear their take on verses. I exit most of the time when they start beating each other up over it. :(
 

Zmouth

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Is the rapture Pre Tribulation or Post Tribulation?
By rapture are you referring unto the event referenced in Matthew 13:41-42 as well as by the gospel of the other apostles since that is already going on now yet those with faith have obviously have heard so no need in discussing in any detail except to say that those who don't know should read 1 John 2:20, since faith comes by hearing as one can see in the passage of John 5:25.

24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
Rom 8:24-25


Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. Rev 3:10

That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises. Heb 6:12
 

Joseppi

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The arguments for rapture are based on wishful thinking. As a man thinks in his heart, so is he.

So what is it that people interpreting scripture such that they believe they will be allowed to;
escape suffering for Jesus,
avoid warfare with the spirit of antichrist,
leave their brethren behind on the battlefield,
and avoid the tribulation Jesus told them to expect in this world.

The satanic doctrine of “rapture” is used by devils to seduce them that want to escape being faithful to the end. These that teach the cowards hope will be in the number that fall away when the going gets tough. Mark them well for they will betray the saints when given a opportunity.

“Rapture” is a word referring to sexual excitement. It’s a pornographic word Satan chose to insult the church with. Just how stupid are the church folk today? Are the rapture lusters the ones bringing in sensuality into the churches by means of modern notions of worship music?

And you folks think the Holy Ghost uses such words as “rapture” to describe running away from the
God ordained responsibilities of the saints at the time of the end of the world harvest? Satan is mocking your hedonistic doctrine of escapism.

The so called “rapture of the church” actually describes the “falling away of the church.” Don’t be so foolish as to believe satanic doctrines that only prepare your mind to fall away from the faith of Jesus when the spirit of antichrist rises up in full force against the saints of God.

But, if your carnal heart is set on rapture then go hug your satanic false bibles as long as you can because it isn’t the joy of the Lord you’re looking for.
 

Stunnedbygrace

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Man, we couldn't have a pleasant conversation for even one whole page before it got ugly??
 
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Is the rapture Pre Tribulation or Post Tribulation?
Amil.

The words "thousand years" used in that parable(Revelation 20) represents a unknown . Christ will come as a thief in the night just as in the days of Noah .Sudden destruction this time, the whole universe rolled up like a scroll will go up in smoke as the new heavens and earth appear over the horizon. No more Sun and moon as time keepers. Its the end of time the time keepers will be under the feet of His chaste virgin bride, the church, depicted in that parable in Revelation 12.
 

Joseppi

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You cannot speak kindly about prophecy?
I speak unkindly to all who oppose the truth.
I am not the friend of any who oppose Jesus.
I am not fooled by feigned love, nor false religion.
If you teach a false doctrine you are the enemy of Jesus.

Is it right for you to love them that hate Jesus?
 
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Since the Tribulation is for the unsaved, the unbelieving, and the ungodly, the Rapture must be before the Tribulation period begins.

For confirmation we need to study Revelation chapters 4-18. These describe both the Tribulation and the Great Tribulation (called the Day of the LORD in the OT). The 6th and 7th seal judgments are a part of the Great Tribulation.

We will notice that the words *church* and *churches* are absent from these chapters, which is very significant. On the other hand Revelation 1-3 is focused on churches during the first century.

I would suggest the whole book of Revelations as to its signified language indicates the presence of his chaste virgin bride, the church .

The tribulation started when Christ said: "it is finished". The veil is rent revealing the many antichrists (unconverted Jews) .A tribulation like none before or ever again. The time of reformation had come over two thousand years ago

Jeremiah 30:7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble, but he shall be saved out of it.
 
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Is the rapture Pre Tribulation or Post Tribulation?
Post trib/pre-wrath ingathering at the 7th and final trump.......no such thing as the imminent ingathering where we "poof" disappear and everyone wonders where we went........
 
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The satanic doctrine of “rapture” is used by devils to seduce them that want to escape being faithful to the end. These that teach the cowards hope will be in the number that fall away when the going gets tough. Mark them well for they will betray the saints when given a opportunity.

The satanic doctrine? Turning things upside down?

Those that want to escape being faithful to the end will they be lifted up (raptured) at the second resurrection?

Satan would try and deceive men it already occurred, and we do walk by sight ,(what the eyes see) as if the kingdom of God comes by observation and not the rapture as that not seen the faith issue . Will the what you call faithful ones remain on earth or will they be raised/ raptured up on the last day ?

John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Jesus was raptured(lifted up) does that make Him a coward also ? If so what did he fall away from ?
 

Stunnedbygrace

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I speak unkindly to all who oppose the truth.
I am not the friend of any who oppose Jesus.
I am not fooled by feigned love, nor false religion.
If you teach a false doctrine you are the enemy of Jesus.

Is it right for you to love them that hate Jesus?

You think that someone who thinks our gathering might be prior to the great tribulation is opposing Jesus?
As for your last sentence, I hated Jesus at one time and He didn't hate me back but loved me and desired to have me...

You have turned endtimes views into a salvational issue. They aren't a salvational issue...