The Books of Enoch.

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Would the book of Enoch enhance one's spiritual understanding, or cause confusion questions?

  • A) help

    Votes: 7 35.0%
  • B) Add Confusion

    Votes: 5 25.0%
  • C) There's a reason God kept it out of the Bible

    Votes: 13 65.0%

  • Total voters
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iamsoandso

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Is that also the time the 70 elders of Israel changed into the Sanhedrin? When pharisees & saddusees were formed? When the traditions of the elders were written?
If so, I wouldn't touch writings from that period with a thousand foot pole!

When was Daniel written and set together into a book, the same time period?
 

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When was Daniel written and set together into a book, the same time period?
Ok, you got me on that.:)
While the book was written about 164 B.C.E., It would apparently have to be a compilation of actual letters written by Daniel or a contemporary of his. The accuracy of the text, as well as the consistant writing style of Daniel, suggests to me that the book can be trusted.
(pulling foot out of mouth about thousand foot pole, lol!)
 

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Ok, you got me on that.:)
While the book was written about 164 B.C.E., It would apparently have to be a compilation of actual letters written by Daniel or a contemporary of his. The accuracy of the text, as well as the consistant writing style of Daniel, suggests to me that the book can be trusted.
(pulling foot out of mouth about thousand foot pole, lol!)

I trust Daniel too,, there's just not a one size fits all answer to looking at the other books that the Jews/Hebrews kept as writings over the years. That's what is so interesting to me about books like ,1 Enoch,Jubilees ect.(and others) in that the Jews kept them as if they were sacred to them up to the point of Jesus and then decided they weren't sacred anymore after Jesus. I suppose it's the reasoning behind the whole issue about 1 Enoch for instance if you search for Scriptures like John 5:22(judgment given to the son) it never states it in the OT anywhere (unless you count 1 Enoch 69:27 or 1 Enoch 68:39)
 
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Once again, plain, simple, easy to understand, read it real slow :)

The Sons Of God were human men, that married human women

Teaching Angels have sex with human women, and maintaining human sperm is a fairytale in mythology, and false teaching.

Genesis 6:1-6KJV
1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

"The Sons of God" took wives, Angel's don't marry humans, it's that simple.

Matthew 22:30KJV
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Who were the sons of God?
 

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.I will not bother to get into 'the sons of God' controversy or the fact that this term does in fact refer to NON humans because it is not my duty to convince you of anything. And that would include a time bomb ticking away that you appear not to notice.
Romans 8:14KJV
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
 
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I also don't see any OT writers quote any writings of Enoch. If these writings were really of God I would expect that.


Well, here is Isaiah:

Enoch 9:9-12 Thus has the whole earth been filled with blood and with iniquity. 10And now behold the souls of those who are dead, cry out. 11And complain even to the gate of heaven. 12Their groaning ascends; nor can they escape from the unrighteousness which is committed on earth. You know all things, before they exist.

Isaiah 26:21 For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.
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Enoch 39:11 What is this world? Of every existing generation those shall bless you who do not spiritually sleep but stand before your glory, blessing, glorifying, exalting you, and saying, The holy, holy, Lord of spirits, fills the whole world of spirits.

Isaiah 6:2-4 Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly. And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.



Here is Isaiah, Ezekiel, Joel, Matthew 24, Revelation verifying Enoch:

Enoch 79:2 And all things have I revealed to you. You see the sun, the moon, and those which conduct the stars of heaven, which cause all their operations, seasons, and arrivals to return. 3In the days of sinners the years shall be shortened. 4Their seed shall be backward in their prolific soil; and everything done on earth shall be subverted, and disappear in its season. The rain shall be restrained, and heaven shall stand still. 5In those days the fruits of the earth shall be late, and not flourish in their season; and in their season the fruits of the trees shall be withholden. 6The moon shall change its laws, and not be seen at its proper period. But in those days shall heaven be seen; and barrenness shall take place in the borders of the great chariots in the west. Heaven shall shine more than when illuminated by the orders of light; while many chiefs among the stars of authority shall err, perverting their ways and works. 7Those shall not appear in their season, who commanded them, and all the classes of the stars shall be shut up against sinners. 8The thoughts of those who dwell on the earth shall transgress within them; and they shall be perverted in all their ways. 9They shall transgress, and think themselves (85) gods; while evil shall be multiplied among them. 10And punishment shall come upon them, so that all of them shall be destroyed.

Isaiah 13:9-11 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it. For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine. And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.

Ezekiel 32:6-8 I will also water with thy blood the land wherein thou swimmest, even to the mountains; and the rivers shall be full of thee. And when I shall put thee out, I will cover the heaven, and make the stars thereof dark; I will cover the sun with a cloud, and the moon shall not give her light. All the bright lights of heaven will I make dark over thee, and set darkness upon thy land, saith the Lord GOD.

Joel 2:9-11 They shall run to and fro in the city; they shall run upon the wall, they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter in at the windows like a thief. The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining: And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?

Matthew 24:28-30 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Revelation 8:6-13 And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound. 7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up. 8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood; 9 And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.10 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter. 12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise. 13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!
 

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Romans 8:14KJV
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
I don't think that would fly in context...

Genesis 6:2 (KJV) That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
 

Truth7t7

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I don't think that would fly in context...

Genesis 6:2 (KJV) That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
Is all Gen 6:2 states is men saw beautiful women and got married, big smiles
 

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Is all Gen 6:2 states is men saw beautiful women and got married, big smiles
Nice try, once again a little context = a little more light...

Genesis 6:2-3 ESV
[2] the sons of God saw that the daughters of man were attractive. And they took as their wives any they chose. [3] Then the LORD said, "My Spirit shall not abide in man forever, for he is flesh: his days shall be 120 years."
 

Truth7t7

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Nice try, once again a little context = a little more light...

Genesis 6:2-3 ESV
[2] the sons of God saw that the daughters of man were attractive. And they took as their wives any they chose. [3] Then the LORD said, "My Spirit shall not abide in man forever, for he is flesh: his days shall be 120 years."
Still dosent change a thing in my opinion
 
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Romans 8:14KJV
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
So, men were led by the Spirit of God in those days? You have Scripture for then? Just trying to understand your view(s).
Thanks.
 

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While the book was written about 164 B.C.E., It would apparently have to be a compilation of actual letters written by Daniel or a contemporary of his.
This is totally incorrect. Daniel was a contemporary of Nebuchadnezzar, which takes us back to around 600 B.C. So he lived between 600 and 500 B.C. and he himself wrote the book of Daniel. No one else was involved in writing this book. Evidently you have been listening to the so-called scholars who wish to turn the Old Testament on its head.
 

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Romans 8:14KJV
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Why are you misapplying Scripture? The use of the term "sons of God" in the Old Testament is not the same as its use in the New Testament. Angels are called "sons of God" in the OT since they are direct creations of God. We see this clearly in the book of Job.

But the OT saints are never called "sons of God" since the New Birth was possible only after the Holy Spirit was poured out on the day of Pentecost in AD 30. The OT saints are therefore called "the spirits of just[ified] men made perfect" in the NT.
 

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This is totally incorrect. Daniel was a contemporary of Nebuchadnezzar, which takes us back to around 600 B.C. So he lived between 600 and 500 B.C. and he himself wrote the book of Daniel. No one else was involved in writing this book. Evidently you have been listening to the so-called scholars who wish to turn the Old Testament on its head.
Ok, show me proof of what you found.
I'm a reasonable guy, & I'm waiting.
 

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Why are you misapplying Scripture? The use of the term "sons of God" in the Old Testament is not the same as its use in the New Testament. Angels are called "sons of God" in the OT since they are direct creations of God. We see this clearly in the book of Job.

But the OT saints are never called "sons of God" since the New Birth was possible only after the Holy Spirit was poured out on the day of Pentecost in AD 30. The OT saints are therefore called "the spirits of just[ified] men made perfect" in the NT.
Angel's are created beings, "without" free will to be "Led" by God's Spirit.

Humans are (The Sons Of God) seen in Gods words


Romans 8:14KJV
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
 

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Angel's are created beings, "without" free will to be "Led" by God's Spirit.

Humans are (The Sons Of God) seen in Gods words

Romans 8:14KJV
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Have a look at Job 38:7, in its context. Your assertion that the "sons of God" are human breaks down rapidly.

Instead of using brackets incorrectly, stop using boldface text for everything, and instead use it where you have been using brackets.
 

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Have a look at Job 38:7, in its context. Your assertion that the "sons of God" are human breaks down rapidly.

Instead of using brackets incorrectly, stop using boldface text for everything, and instead use it where you have been using brackets.
Once again, plain, simple, easy to understand, read it real slow :)

The Sons Of God were human men, that married human women

Teaching Angels have sex with human women, and maintaining human sperm is a fairytale in mythology, and false teaching.

Genesis 6:1-6KJV
1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

"The Sons of God" took wives, Angel's don't marry humans, it's that simple.

Matthew 22:30KJV
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
 

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Ok, show me proof of what you found. I'm a reasonable guy, & I'm waiting.
I will quote from a secular source which basically ignores the Bible and depends on the "Babylon Chronicle" for this information:

"NEBUCHADNEZZAR (Nebuchadrezzar ; Heb. נְבוּכַדְנֶצַּר ,נְבוּכַדְרֶאצַּר; Akk. Nabû-kudurri-uṣur , "O, Nabû, guard my border!"), son of Nabopolassar the Chaldean, ruler of Babylon (605–562 b.c.e.)…. It would seem that Nebuchadnezzar reached Palestine and subjected Judah to his rule one or two years later. At the end of 604 he conducted a military campaign against Palestine…

… In Kislev (December) 598 Nebuchadnezzar entered Palestine, and, according to the Babylonian Chronicle, "he encamped against the city of Judah [i.e., Jerusalem] and on the second day of the month of Adar [i.e., March 16, 597] he seized the city and captured the king [i.e., Jehoiachin]. He appointed there a king of his own choice [i.e., Zedekiah], received its heavy tribute and sent it to Babylon"…

The Egyptian rulers no doubt lent their support to uprisings against Babylon, and Zedekiah's open revolt enjoyed their active aid (Jer. 37:5ff.). In 588 the siege of Jerusalem began, and in the summer of 586 Nebuchadnezzar captured the city, laid the Temple waste, carried off a large part of the population of Judah into captivity, and put Zedekiah and other Judean nobles to death. The land of Judah was turned into a province...
https://www.encyclopedia.com/people/history/ancient-history-middle-east-biographies/nebuchadnezzar

Daniel was among the captives taken to Babylon. The book of Daniel is Scripture, and we find that Daniel was the chief ruler of Babylon under Nebuchadnezzar. But he also continued to hold a prominent position in the Medo-Persian empire under Darius the Mede, who ruled from 548-486 B.C. So Daniel wrote his prophecies between 600 and 500 B.C.
 
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Have a look at Job 38:7, in its context. Your assertion that the "sons of God" are human breaks down rapidly.

Instead of using brackets incorrectly, stop using boldface text for everything, and instead use it where you have been using brackets.
Mankind had not even been created yet, correct?