The Bottomless Pit is neither Hades, nor Hell, nor Tartarus

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I think you are misunderstanding what I said.

1. Satan is the king or prince or leader of all the evil angels which were cast out of Heaven (God's Heaven). My point is that there are not two kings of evil angels and demons, just one.

2. There are four sub-sets of evil angels in the Bible (1) the pre-Flood angels who procreated the Nephilim and are in prison, (2) the angels who remain free the air (atmosphere/stratosphere), (3) the demons who roam this earth, and (4) the demons confined in the Abyss.

3. Abaddon/Apollyon/the Destroyer is identified as (1) the angel of the Bottomless Pit and (2) the king of the demons in the Bottomless Pit.

4. Revelation 9 does not say that he is in the Bottomless Pit. It simply says that he is the angel of the Bottomless Pit as well as the king of those demons. Which goes back to the fact that Satan is king of all demons and evil angels.
Sub sets.. ? I have not heard of classifying lying spirits in that way .

We know the bottomless pit is a metaphor to represent the un-ending judgment up until the last day when the letter of the law loses its ability to kill . The key is the gospel that loosens those from the bondage of the pit and binds the chain of the father of lies reducing his power to deceive.
 

Journeyman

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The key is the gospel that loosens those from the bondage of the pit and binds the chain of the father of lies reducing his power to deceive.
Amen! Satan is powerless against Jesus! The devil is such a deceiver, he doesn't want people to know he has always been in the bottomless pit.
 
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Amen! Satan is powerless against Jesus! The devil is such a deceiver, he doesn't want people to know he has always been in the bottomless pit.
That’s interesting, for what reasons would satan not want people to know?
 
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The beast gets his effectual working power from Satan......and Satan is indeed the KosmoKrator and the ruler of all fallen angels!
 

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That’s interesting, for what reasons would satan not want people to know?
Because he never has forgiveness and doesn't want anyone to have it. Jesus defeated him,

To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. Isa.42:7
 
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Because he never has forgiveness and doesn't want anyone to have it. Jesus defeated him,

To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. Isa.42:7
Sounds like satan worshippers.
 

Ahwatukee

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Amen! Satan is powerless against Jesus! The devil is such a deceiver, he doesn't want people to know he has always been in the bottomless pit.
Satan is not and has never been in the Abyss. According to Rev.9:1 and 20:1, it requires a key to open it and lock it. Therefore, Satan cannot just come and go in and out as he pleases. If a spirit gets put in there, they're staying until it's reopened. The truth is that Satan is currently out in the world and he also still access to heaven. Both Peter and Paul demonstrate that Satan is out in the world:

"In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one."

"If you forgive anyone, I also forgive him. And if I have forgiven anything, I have forgiven it in the presence of Christ for your sake, in order that Satan should not outwit us. For we are not unaware of his schemes."

"hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord."

"Be sober-minded and alert. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour."

From just the scriptures above, it is obvious that Satan is not in the Abyss. For if he was, he would not have opportunity to deceive the inhabitants of the earth. However, there will be a time when he will be put into the Abyss, but that will not take place until the Lord returns to end the age and establish his millennial kingdom. (Rev.20:1-7)

Currently, there is another fallen angel in the Abyss called destroyer. He has authority over those demonic beings who are released at the sounding of the 5th trumpet, where at which time he will also come up out of the Abyss (Rev.11:7, 17:8, 11).

So we know that since Satan is shown to be out in the world and this beast from the Abyss is revealed to come up out of the Abyss, then we know that the Satan and the angel/beast of the Abyss are two individual fallen angels that will be working together for the same evil goal, as will all the other fallen angels/demons.
 

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The beast gets his effectual working power from Satan......and Satan is indeed the KosmoKrator and the ruler of all fallen angels!
All that power and still just the ruler of poop!
 

Ahwatukee

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The beast gets his effectual working power from Satan......and Satan is indeed the KosmoKrator and the ruler of all fallen angels!
While it is true that Satan is the ruler of all fallen angels, it is also true that there are angelic squad leaders who have authority over specific groups, just as the holy angels do and just as they did before they fell.

I also agree with you that, the beast will get his power, throne and great authority from Satan, for this very thing is stated in Rev.13:2

"And the dragon (Satan) gave the beast his power and throne and great authority. "

"The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and yet will come up out of the Abyss and go to its destruction.
 

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Satan is not and has never been in the Abyss. According to Rev.9:1 and 20:1, it requires a key to open it and lock it.
Jesus is the key. He's the chain. Jesus bound Satan and there is nothing he can do about it. And faith in our Lord stops the devil cold.

the evil one cannot touch him. 1Jn.5:18

Therefore, Satan cannot just come and go in and out as he pleases.
He can't come into people who trust in Jesus.

If a spirit gets put in there, they're staying until it's reopened. The truth is that Satan is currently out in the world and he also still access to heaven. Both Peter and Paul demonstrate that Satan is out in the world:

"In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one."
Fiery arrows that can't harm believers?


"If you forgive anyone, I also forgive him. And if I have forgiven anything, I have forgiven it in the presence of Christ for your sake, in order that Satan should not outwit us. For we are not unaware of his schemes."
Satan can't outwit believers?

"hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord."
Was this about the "Christian" adulterer?

"Be sober-minded and alert. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour."
So Satan can't devour the faithful in Christ?

From just the scriptures above, it is obvious that Satan is not in the Abyss. For if he was, he would not have opportunity to deceive the inhabitants of the earth.
However, there will be a time when he will be put into the Abyss, but that will not take place until the Lord returns to end the age and establish his millennial kingdom. (Rev.20:1-7)
Believers are inhabitants of the earth and you cited scripture where the Apostles tell us how not to be deceived.

Currently, there is another fallen angel in the Abyss called destroyer. He has authority over those demonic beings who are released at the sounding of the 5th trumpet, where at which time he will also come up out of the Abyss (Rev.11:7, 17:8, 11).

So we know that since Satan is shown to be out in the world and this beast from the Abyss is revealed to come up out of the Abyss, then we know that the Satan and the angel/beast of the Abyss are two individual fallen angels that will be working together for the same evil goal, as will all the other fallen angels/demons.
The world apart from God is a bottomless pit. There's no lasting satisfaction to it. Read Ecc.1:4-8. a hole that can't be filled. As for all the power of Satan, the beast, demons,

Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. Lk.10:19

Jesus proved it when he rose from the dead. :)
 

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The "IBebackTerminator?

No, where does it come from . Cosmo creator?
It's the Greek behind the biblical phrase, "the rulers of (the darkness) of this world " in Ephesians 6:12.
 
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You continue to push the false doctrine that nothing in the Bible is literal and everything is a parable? So why do you even bother?

Do you realize that each time you post you may lead someone astray? Or do you think this is all one big cosmic joke?
Why are you mischaracterizing what Garee said? He didn't say "nothing in the Bible is literal", he said why would Jesus throw in a literal story among all the other stories which are parables.
 

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The bottomless pit according to the signified understanding of Revelation simply mean no end .It is not a literal pit and neither is it a literal chain in that parable.. The keys in that parable represent the gospel.... it loosen and binds to show the will of God. Some say Peter is the key. What do you think the key represents?

Satan the accuser of the brethren will be deceiving men up to the last day when the letter of the law no longer has any effect. . The idea of the kingdom of God on this corrupted creation is not a biblical idea. Flesh and blood will not enter the new order.

The end will come on the last day. witnessed 6 times in the book of John. The last days began nearly two thousand literal years ago when the veil was rent an the time for reformation came. . Going on three thousand .

In Revelation 9 when the locust come out they only can hurt but not kill ect. the ones who "do not have the seal of God in their foreheads",,,so they are not hurting those with the seal,,,they hurt the ones who do not have it.
 
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While it is true that Satan is the ruler of all fallen angels, it is also true that there are angelic squad leaders who have authority over specific groups, just as the holy angels do and just as they did before they fell.

I also agree with you that, the beast will get his power, throne and great authority from Satan, for this very thing is stated in Rev.13:2

"And the dragon (Satan) gave the beast his power and throne and great authority. "

"The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and yet will come up out of the Abyss and go to its destruction.
Ephesians 6 clearly lays out the heirarchy within the ranks of the enemy....