The burden of the Lord
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LOL what a predicament! You cannot answer yes because then you would be telling
a BLATANT LIE and thereby breaking the very law you falsely claim to keep.
You cannot keep the whole law despite your pretenses to the contrary.
So now that your true colours have been exposed, where shall you turn?
The law cannot save you.
a BLATANT LIE and thereby breaking the very law you falsely claim to keep.
You cannot keep the whole law despite your pretenses to the contrary.
So now that your true colours have been exposed, where shall you turn?
The law cannot save you.
I just happened to be in Jeremiah 23, for Magenta.
How convenient.
There is something for GB here too.
And as for the prophet, and the priest, and the people, that shall say, The burden of the LORD,
I will even punish that man and his house.
Thus shall ye say every one to his neighbour, and every one to his brother,
What hath the LORD answered? and, What hath the LORD spoken?
And the burden of the LORD shall ye mention no more:
for every man's word shall be his burden;
for ye have perverted the words of the living God, of the LORD of hosts our God.
Jeremiah 23:34-36
How convenient.
There is something for GB here too.
And as for the prophet, and the priest, and the people, that shall say, The burden of the LORD,
I will even punish that man and his house.
Thus shall ye say every one to his neighbour, and every one to his brother,
What hath the LORD answered? and, What hath the LORD spoken?
And the burden of the LORD shall ye mention no more:
for every man's word shall be his burden;
for ye have perverted the words of the living God, of the LORD of hosts our God.
Jeremiah 23:34-36
Not to worry, brother! A lot of people in here, myself included, have, and are going through, this what you are heralding, and proclaiming! Tis easy to take a vain road, when one's foundation/s are being "uncovered!" You should be thankful you are being found worthy in your "enduring" this. Jehovah, loves people who kick, and fight, and scream....Every inch of the way! Because they make for a mightier army!
Matthew 11 is an whole chapter.
Nothing you say concurs with what Jesus says, to me,
so I am supposed to guess what verse you are speaking about, and with what interpretation you give it?
Your reproof was far too sloppy to reprove me.
I reprove myself to sound doctrine only.
And accuse me of being non-responsive to my post there,
with three clearly placed wafers, mingled with the oil I received from Jesus, delivered with frankincense,
and you say nothing to it.
Saying "just plucking out verses" isn't saying anything.
You could have asked, why those verses, if your understanding is that dim.
And you didn't even bother to pluck out the verse you wanted me to see.
Even your accusations can't stick.
The mud you tried to throw is still in your hand
Paul
Nothing you say concurs with what Jesus says, to me,
so I am supposed to guess what verse you are speaking about, and with what interpretation you give it?
Your reproof was far too sloppy to reprove me.
I reprove myself to sound doctrine only.
And accuse me of being non-responsive to my post there,
with three clearly placed wafers, mingled with the oil I received from Jesus, delivered with frankincense,
and you say nothing to it.
Saying "just plucking out verses" isn't saying anything.
You could have asked, why those verses, if your understanding is that dim.
And you didn't even bother to pluck out the verse you wanted me to see.
Even your accusations can't stick.
The mud you tried to throw is still in your hand
Paul
Thank you, Magenta.
I ate Jesus first.
I found more than a thousand commandments in the four gospels, before I even started on Moses.
Do I keep them all?
Maybe not, and maybe not all perfectly.
But Jesus lets me know when I transgress.
Does He not for you?
There are million people saying this.
Jesus says, with God, all things are possible.
I am turned to the Lord.
Jesus saved me.
That is why I keep His law.
The law led me to Him, I shall keep it so I can keep going to Him.
Impatient little unicorn, aren't you?
I do my posting slowly. The believer shall not make haste.
I pray Jesus as I handle each and every serpent, asking for His guidance with my answers.
I am sure He has things He would say to each of you.
Even as He had things to say to me.
Now let me ask you a question.
Tell me, without doing the law,
how do you, or what do you do, to come before the Lord?
Praise Jesus as you go
Paul
I ate Jesus first.
I found more than a thousand commandments in the four gospels, before I even started on Moses.
Do I keep them all?
Maybe not, and maybe not all perfectly.
But Jesus lets me know when I transgress.
Does He not for you?
There are million people saying this.
Jesus says, with God, all things are possible.
I am turned to the Lord.
Jesus saved me.
That is why I keep His law.
The law led me to Him, I shall keep it so I can keep going to Him.
Impatient little unicorn, aren't you?
I do my posting slowly. The believer shall not make haste.
I pray Jesus as I handle each and every serpent, asking for His guidance with my answers.
I am sure He has things He would say to each of you.
Even as He had things to say to me.
Now let me ask you a question.
Tell me, without doing the law,
how do you, or what do you do, to come before the Lord?
Praise Jesus as you go
Paul
Hi Comingfrom,
How can you expect us to take what you say about scripture with any seriousness. You are severely blinded my fiend.
You think that Jesus points you to Moses, And you think the heart of the gospel is the law.
You disrespectfully mishandle the word of God. And worse still you delight in it!
You need the gospel comingfrom, it will set you free indeed!
How can you expect us to take what you say about scripture with any seriousness. You are severely blinded my fiend.
You think that Jesus points you to Moses, And you think the heart of the gospel is the law.
You disrespectfully mishandle the word of God. And worse still you delight in it!
You need the gospel comingfrom, it will set you free indeed!
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 119:44-45, "That I might guard Your Law continually, Forever and ever; That I might walk in liberty, For I have sought Your orders;"[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]James 1:22-25, “And become doers of the Word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. Because if anyone is a hearer of the Word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks at his natural face in a mirror, for he looks at himself, and goes away, and immediately forgets what he was like. But he that looked into the perfect Law of liberty, and continues in it, not becoming a hearer that forgets, but a doer of work, this one shall be blessed in his doing of the Law.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]James 2:8-12, “If you truly accomplish the sovereign Law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself, (Lev 19:18) you do well, but if you show partiality, you commit sin, being found guilty by the Law as transgressors. For whoever shall guard all the Law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” (Exo 20:14) also said, “Do not murder.” (Exo 20:13) Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of Law. So speak and so do as those who are to be judged by the Law of liberty.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 119:44-45, "That I might guard Your Law continually, Forever and ever; That I might walk in liberty, For I have sought Your orders;"[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]James 1:22-25, “And become doers of the Word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. Because if anyone is a hearer of the Word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks at his natural face in a mirror, for he looks at himself, and goes away, and immediately forgets what he was like. But he that looked into the perfect Law of liberty, and continues in it, not becoming a hearer that forgets, but a doer of work, this one shall be blessed in his doing of the Law.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]James 2:8-12, “If you truly accomplish the sovereign Law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself, (Lev 19:18) you do well, but if you show partiality, you commit sin, being found guilty by the Law as transgressors. For whoever shall guard all the Law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” (Exo 20:14) also said, “Do not murder.” (Exo 20:13) Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of Law. So speak and so do as those who are to be judged by the Law of liberty.”[/FONT]
And certain men came down from Judea and taught the brethren, “Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.” 2 Therefore, when Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and dispute with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas and certain others of them should go up to Jerusalem, to the apostles and elders, about this question.
3 So, being sent on their way by the church, they passed through Phoenicia and Samaria, describing the conversion of the Gentiles; and they caused great joy to all the brethren. 4 And when they had come to Jerusalem, they were received by the church and the apostles and the elders; and they reported all things that God had done with them. 5 But some of the sect of the Pharisees who believed rose up, saying, “It is necessary to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.”
6 Now the apostles and elders came together to consider this matter. 7 And when there had been much dispute, Peter rose up and said to them: “Men and brethren, you know that a good while ago God chose among us, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe. 8 So God, who knows the heart, acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us, 9 and made no distinction between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. 10 Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? 11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved in the same manner as they.
3 So, being sent on their way by the church, they passed through Phoenicia and Samaria, describing the conversion of the Gentiles; and they caused great joy to all the brethren. 4 And when they had come to Jerusalem, they were received by the church and the apostles and the elders; and they reported all things that God had done with them. 5 But some of the sect of the Pharisees who believed rose up, saying, “It is necessary to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.”
6 Now the apostles and elders came together to consider this matter. 7 And when there had been much dispute, Peter rose up and said to them: “Men and brethren, you know that a good while ago God chose among us, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe. 8 So God, who knows the heart, acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us, 9 and made no distinction between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. 10 Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? 11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved in the same manner as they.
Hi Megenta,
Paul also said:
1 Cor. 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.
Rom. 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Acts 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should (ALL) repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
21 For these causes the Jews caught me in the temple, and went about to kill me.
22 Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:
So I'm not one to just pick and choose a scripture to support one religious doctrine or another, then ignore the rest as some do.
Not saying you do this. But these scriptures seem to directly contradict Paul's own words that you quote. Yes?
Since I am convinced Jesus was wise when He said we are to live by EVERY Word of God,
So I set about to understand, rather than just pick one or the other statements of Paul to believe. What I found is that Paul understands the Levitical Priesthood and their sacrificial, ceremonial "words and Deeds of the Law" that were specifically administered for the remission of sins. The Mainstream Preachers of his time did not believe in Jesus, so they continued pushing their doctrines and traditions which included the observance of these "Works of the Law" for the cleansing of sins. These Mainstream Preachers plagued the apostles in acts, and were still "Bewitching" the Galatians as well.
Gal. 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, (written "Works" for the remission of sins)or by the hearing of faith?(Repentance and bringing Works worthy of repentance)
He is speaking to the Levitical Priesthood sacrificial "Works" that were "ADDED" Till the Seed should come. When you understand this, then you understand that Paul isn't contradictory at all.
"The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love."
This is truth to be sure. But everyone exhibits faith of some sort. The question I ask myself is: Do I have faith in God and His Son, or do I exhibit Faith in church traditions and man made doctrines.
That is the battle Jesus and Paul engaged in almost every day they taught, is it not?
Paul also said:
1 Cor. 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.
Rom. 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Acts 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should (ALL) repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
21 For these causes the Jews caught me in the temple, and went about to kill me.
22 Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:
So I'm not one to just pick and choose a scripture to support one religious doctrine or another, then ignore the rest as some do.
Not saying you do this. But these scriptures seem to directly contradict Paul's own words that you quote. Yes?
Since I am convinced Jesus was wise when He said we are to live by EVERY Word of God,
So I set about to understand, rather than just pick one or the other statements of Paul to believe. What I found is that Paul understands the Levitical Priesthood and their sacrificial, ceremonial "words and Deeds of the Law" that were specifically administered for the remission of sins. The Mainstream Preachers of his time did not believe in Jesus, so they continued pushing their doctrines and traditions which included the observance of these "Works of the Law" for the cleansing of sins. These Mainstream Preachers plagued the apostles in acts, and were still "Bewitching" the Galatians as well.
Gal. 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, (written "Works" for the remission of sins)or by the hearing of faith?(Repentance and bringing Works worthy of repentance)
He is speaking to the Levitical Priesthood sacrificial "Works" that were "ADDED" Till the Seed should come. When you understand this, then you understand that Paul isn't contradictory at all.
"The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love."
This is truth to be sure. But everyone exhibits faith of some sort. The question I ask myself is: Do I have faith in God and His Son, or do I exhibit Faith in church traditions and man made doctrines.
That is the battle Jesus and Paul engaged in almost every day they taught, is it not?
"mean and wicked" ?
pretty sure that's the wrong conclusion - because any conclusion you come to that makes God evil - which is what that conclusion does - is wrong.
so there must be a different conclusion, which is perfect - because His ways are perfect, so the truth of the matter is perfect.
the Law is good; it is perfect - and notwithstanding that, He has set us free from condemnation, even while we cannot keep it perfectly. the purpose of the Law, then, is not to perfect us by our striving to keep it: that leaves us condemned by failing, and begins with us standing condemned because we must strive to keep it: it reveals that our nature is opposed to it. and this is neither wicked nor mean; that is an impossible assessment, because God is holy.
no,
the rest of the Bible - and the Law itself - is all about Christ. every page. the entire Bible reveals Christ - the Law reveals Christ. the Bible isn't about the Law; the Bible is about Salvation, who is a person, who is God Himself: Yeshua Hamashiach, Jesus Christ, The Righteous One.
this is the purpose of the Law: to bring us to Him. the very fact that a Law must be given shows that we need redemption, and look! a Lamb stands, as though slain, but who yet lives!
I don't expect you will.
But there maybe someone in the congregation here willing to receive tuition on God's words.
Maybe some newbie who hasn't been snared by the faithsayers yet.
I don't have to think these things.
The scripture tells us so, and I have faith.
You have seen these scriptures too, even recently,
but you do not have faith in God's words.
Jesus comes.
If you can show how or where I mishandled, I would cease it immediately.
But your prosecution counsel is missing.
If I be judged in the law, I reprove myself immediately.
But empty accusations fall to the ground along with other fiery darts.
God's word is my gospel.
It led me to be a disciple of Jesus.
It takes discipline to resist temptation.
And there are a lot of spirits here tempting us to be free of the word.
Excuse me if I decline
Paul
But there maybe someone in the congregation here willing to receive tuition on God's words.
Maybe some newbie who hasn't been snared by the faithsayers yet.
I don't have to think these things.
The scripture tells us so, and I have faith.
You have seen these scriptures too, even recently,
but you do not have faith in God's words.
Jesus comes.
If you can show how or where I mishandled, I would cease it immediately.
But your prosecution counsel is missing.
If I be judged in the law, I reprove myself immediately.
But empty accusations fall to the ground along with other fiery darts.
God's word is my gospel.
It led me to be a disciple of Jesus.
It takes discipline to resist temptation.
And there are a lot of spirits here tempting us to be free of the word.
Excuse me if I decline
Paul
hooray, not picking and choosing and leaving things out!
wait - then why did you cut off this quote so abruptly?
which things did Paul continually say, things that Moses and the prophets declared should come? you left out the most important part! the part where Paul states clearly what message he proclaimed, for which he faced death at the hands of the rulers of the Law!
was his message the Law?
nope:
To this very day, I have obtained help that comes from God, and I stand and testify to both small and great, saying nothing else than what the prophets and Moses said would take place — that the Messiah must suffer, and that as the first to rise from the dead, He would proclaim light to our people and to the Gentiles.
not the Law - the Messiah!!
what's a "Messiah" ?
why did a Messiah have to come? have to suffer? have to rise from the dead? have to become light to all man, not just those who had been given the Law?
what do the answers to those questions say about us, about the Law, the purpose of it and our own purpose, and about reconciliation with God, how to be justified in His sight?