THE CALLING OUT OF THE BRIDE, to go to The Wedding of the Lamb

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TheDivineWatermark

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1. Jesus Christ first fruits (happened already)
I've made a post (in the past) re: "firstfruit" and how Lev23 mentions TWO DISTINCT "firstfruit".

I believe "the 144,000" are called "firstfruit" and align with the one in Lev 23:17 saying the "TWO LOAVES" and "BAKEN WITH LEAVEN" (that ain't US ;) [tho we are also called "firstfruit"] There ARE distinct harvests! ;) in Scripture AND in nature!)

I need to close down and run... bbLATER! :D


[do you believe the 144,000 are something in the PAST??]
 
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Here is another fallacy with the imminent return....

MOST if not all that peddle it will peddle this magical, invisible return of Christ where we go POOF and disappear and everyone wonders where we went......JESUS sneaks in the Back door and snatches us away in the night and the world wonders.....

a. WHEN JESUS ascends the angel tells the disciples...YOU WILL SEE him come in like manner with the clouds of heaven in power and great glory

b. JESUS tells the LOST religious that from hereafter YOU WILL SEE the SON of MAN come in the clouds of heaven with GREAT power and GLORY

c. Revelation states that EVERY EYE, EVERY KINDRED, TONGUE and NATION would SEE HM COME in the clouds with POWER and GREAT GLORY

HIS coming (PAROUSIA) is SEEN BY ALL, this is GOD coming, not some snake slinking in the back DOOR...HIS coming is as VISIBLE as LIGHTNING cracking in the east and seen in the west and as OBVIOUS as a dead carcass in the DITCH as evidenced by the gathered BUZZARDS......

WAKE UP...there is NO SUCH animal as some invisible, imminent return.....His coming is SEEN BY ALL after he CRACKS the SKY and ROLLS the heavens up as a scroll and EVERY MAN, WOMAN and CHILD will crap their pants and attempt to HIDE from the face of HIM that sits on the throne!
 

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HAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA that has got to be one of the most incorrect interpretations I have ever seen.....the EVENT is ONE and the same....the RESURRECTION/CHANGE is ONE event....not two

WOW man....you guys butcher the word to hold on to a tradition started by men......WOW
Okay, so I see you do not believe that the 2W who will be "resurrected" at the 6Trumpet [events]/2nd Woe, are A PART of the first resurrection (the resurrection OF LIFE). Mkay… :unsure:


For the readers to examine, if they so desire:

"A PART [G3313 - meros]" -
https://biblehub.com/text/revelation/20-6.htm

"EACH [G1538 - Hekastos]" -
https://biblehub.com/text/1_corinthians/15-23.htm



[bearing in mind what I'd said about the TWO distinct references to "firstfruit" in Lev23... and that WE are NOT "the 144,000" (which I believe correlate distinctly with the precise wording found in v.17 there, as I mentioned) ;) ]
 
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Okay, so I see you do not believe that the 2W who will be "resurrected" at the 6Trumpet [events]/2nd Woe, are A PART of the first resurrection (the resurrection OF LIFE). Mkay… :unsure:


For the readers to examine, if they so desire:

"A PART [G3313 - meros]" -
https://biblehub.com/text/revelation/20-6.htm

"EACH [G1538 - Hekastos]" -
https://biblehub.com/text/1_corinthians/15-23.htm



[bearing in mind what I'd said about the TWO distinct references to "firstfruit" in Lev23... and that WE are NOT "the 144,000" (which I believe correlate distinctly with the precise wording found in v.17 there, as I mentioned) ;) ]
Do not put words in my mouth.......ever! They are resurrected the SAME TIME everyone else is resurrected.........
 

TheDivineWatermark

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Do not put words in my mouth.......ever! They are resurrected the SAME TIME everyone else is resurrected.........
My intention was to point out "when" Scripture itself SAYS "they [/the 2W]" are resurrected (at the "6th Trumpet[events]/2nd Woe" point in the chronology). Believe, if you wish, that ALL are resurrected at that point in time. (I believe otherwise.)
 

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Jesus always used the word ASSEMBY, not Church.

Matthew 16:18 (YLT)
18 `And I also say to thee, that thou art a rock, and upon this rock I will build my assembly, and gates of Hades shall not prevail against it;

So did the Apostles:

Acts 14:23 (YLT)
23 and having appointed to them by vote elders in every assembly, having prayed with fastings, they commended them to the Lord in whom they had believed.

1 Corinthians 1:2 (YLT)
2 to the assembly of God that is in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus, called saints, with all those calling upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ in every place--both theirs and ours:

2 Thessalonians 1:1 (YLT)
1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, to the assembly of Thessalonians in God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ:

James 5:14 (YLT)
14 is any infirm among you? let him call for the elders of the assembly, and let them pray over him, having anointed him with oil, in the name of the Lord,

3 John 1:6 (YLT)
6 who did testify of thy love before an assembly, whom thou wilt do well, having sent forward worthily of God,

Revelation 2:1 (YLT)
1 `To the messenger of the Ephesian assembly write: These things saith he who is holding the seven stars in his right hand, who is walking in the midst of the seven lamp-stands--the golden:


That word was CHANGED to Church long before the English Bible came into existance.


QUOTE:
Greek NASB Number: 1577:


Greek Word: ἐκκλησία

Transliterated Word: ekklêsia
Root:
from 1537 and 2564;

Definition: an assembly
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,a (religious) congregation:--

List of English Words and Number of Times Used
assembly (3),
church (74),
churches (35),
congregation (2).


New American Standard Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible.
END QUOTE.

Note 74 and 35 times it was changed to Church or Churches, when originally it was ASSEMBLY.
Yeah that's right.

Well then every believer is an 'unassembled assembly'
 
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My intention was to point out "when" Scripture itself SAYS "they [/the 2W]" are resurrected (at the "6th Trumpet[events]/2nd Woe" point in the chronology). Believe, if you wish, that ALL are resurrected at that point in time. (I believe otherwise.)
Again you embellish and put words in my mouth....when you do that you become a liar..the scripture does not say they are resurrected at the 6th trumpet...and I have never indicated such foolishness......I have always said the resurrection takes place at the 7th and FINAL trump....SO DOES PAUL!
 

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Brother, you can believe what you want to be and NO experience in the world over rides the word of GOD....PAUL was clear and the BODY presence of JESUS, THAT IS TO SAY, our gathering together UNTO HIM SHALL NOT HAPPEN until the APOSTASY AND the MAN of SIN be revealed. NOT only that JESUS stated clearly, as evidenced by 3 of the 4 gospels that the INGATHERING will COME AFTER the GREAT TRIBULATION........I am sorry if you or others cannot accept these truths and or BE OPEN to learning and instruction because of a closed MIND......

You need to review my original 2 posts. I have all kinds scriptures to go along with the Calling Out of the Bride. And it does not matter worth a Hill of Beans, that you do not believe it. I BELIEVE the HOLY SPIRIT HAS REVEALED THAT IS TRUTH. The fact that you disagree, is just your Choice. I am somewhat disappointed that you cannot see the HOLY SPIRIT has put JOY IN ME, every time I think about HIM Coming Soon to Call Out the BRIDE to come and meet HIM in the AIR, and Travel with HIM to the NEW DWELLING PLACE. I will always think your theory is wrong. AND I will always keep ready for my Bridegroom. I hope you do to.
 

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Again you embellish and put words in my mouth....when you do that you become a liar..the scripture does not say they are resurrected at the 6th trumpet...and I have never indicated such foolishness......I have always said the resurrection takes place at the 7th and FINAL trump....SO DOES PAUL!

My interpretation of the Last TRUMP, comes from the Messianic Christian Believers. There is a JEWISH FESTIVAL Called the Feast of Trumpets. During that Services there are SEVERAL TRUMPET CALLS. The FINAL ONE IS CALLED THE LAST TRUMP. I believe the LORD will have an angel or several angels BLOW THE SEQUENCE of the Feast of TRUMPETS, including the LAST TRUMP. It has absolutely nothing to do with TRUMPET JUDGEMENTS.



Here is what the Last Trump sounds like, during the Feast of Trumpets:

 

VCO

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Here is another fallacy with the imminent return....

MOST if not all that peddle it will peddle this magical, invisible return of Christ where we go POOF and disappear and everyone wonders where we went......JESUS sneaks in the Back door and snatches us away in the night and the world wonders.....

a. WHEN JESUS ascends the angel tells the disciples...YOU WILL SEE him come in like manner with the clouds of heaven in power and great glory

b. JESUS tells the LOST religious that from hereafter YOU WILL SEE the SON of MAN come in the clouds of heaven with GREAT power and GLORY

c. Revelation states that EVERY EYE, EVERY KINDRED, TONGUE and NATION would SEE HM COME in the clouds with POWER and GREAT GLORY

HIS coming (PAROUSIA) is SEEN BY ALL, this is GOD coming, not some snake slinking in the back DOOR...HIS coming is as VISIBLE as LIGHTNING cracking in the east and seen in the west and as OBVIOUS as a dead carcass in the DITCH as evidenced by the gathered BUZZARDS......

WAKE UP...there is NO SUCH animal as some invisible, imminent return.....His coming is SEEN BY ALL after he CRACKS the SKY and ROLLS the heavens up as a scroll and EVERY MAN, WOMAN and CHILD will crap their pants and attempt to HIDE from the face of HIM that sits on the throne!

You know, where did the Idea that the Rapture is a SECRET come from. It sure did not come from us BELIEVERS. It is in plain English in the first 13 verses of Matthew 25.
 

VCO

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I've made a post (in the past) re: "firstfruit" and how Lev23 mentions TWO DISTINCT "firstfruit".

I believe "the 144,000" are called "firstfruit" and align with the one in Lev 23:17 saying the "TWO LOAVES" and "BAKEN WITH LEAVEN" (that ain't US ;) [tho we are also called "firstfruit"] There ARE distinct harvests! ;) in Scripture AND in nature!)

I need to close down and run... bbLATER! :D


[do you believe the 144,000 are something in the PAST??]


They are the 144,000 GOD chose from every Tribe of ISRAEL, to be sealed in their mortal bodies, so they will not be harmed, so they can REPOPULATE ISRAEL, after it has been utterly destroyed, DURING CHRIST WAR WITH THE NATIONS. It says so in Scripture. Read the entire 14th Chapter of Zechariah.
I just did......and the implication is obvious....but like I see...many still reject the truth to peddle that which is false.......those bidden refused (JEWS) that LEAVES the GENTILES and twice at the WEDDING SUPPER they are called guests.......

Blows my mind how many just flat refuse the word of GOD in favor of peddle tradition
Wow, I assume you never even thought of this, HE MARRIES THE ASSEMBLY THAT HE HAS BUILT, THE Spiritual BODY we were IMMERSED INTO that SPIRITUAL BODY, the Holy Spirit immersed us into, OF WHICH HE IS THE HEAD.

So individually we are the Guests,
and COLLECTIVELY WE ARE THE BRIDE.

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Could that be the end of the Stalemate ?
 

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I have a question.....

The bible states....BLESSED is he that hath part in the 1st resurrection upon whom the 2nd death hath no power.

IF the resurrection of the blessed SAVED and change of the BLESSED saved takes place pre-trib WHEN do ALL of the saints that are KILLED by the BEAST for refusing to take the make get resurrected?

Imminent return does not jive with the above...POST-TRIB PRE-WRATH does!


My understanding is the First Resurrection doe not have a time limit.


The Dead In Christ RISE FIRST - And that would include the O.T. Saints that Believed Messiah would COME.

Then WE WHICH REMAIN - All N.T. Saints of all time, including a few Catholics.

Then the BEHEADED Tribulation Saints - Who have not worshiped the Antichrist.


SO the SUM TOTAL of all TRUE BELIEVERS of ALL TIME, are part of the Same Resurrection of MESSIAH'S Believers with HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS.

A thought just came to me:

1 Corinthians 15:22-26 (HCSB)
22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.
23 But each in his own order: Christ, the firstfruits; afterward, at His coming, those who belong to Christ.
24 Then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to God the Father, when He abolishes all rule and all authority and power.
25 For He must reign until He puts all His enemies under His feet.
26 The last enemy to be abolished is death.


Does that mean ONE AT A TIME FROM ADAM ON? That could take a week or two? Dead in Messiah Rise FIRST.
 

VCO

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I think this Artist did a pretty good Rapture Picture.

He pictures the Individuals as the Invited Guests,

AND

The Collective TOTAL of all the SAINTS as HIS BRIDE, the Immersed into the Spiritual Body of CHRIST.


 

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thats great artwork i agree.

i just want to know has anyone here ever changed their minds about eschatology? (study of end times) i know dcon was pre-trib in the past.

i was amill in the past.

any others?
 
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You need to review my original 2 posts. I have all kinds scriptures to go along with the Calling Out of the Bride. And it does not matter worth a Hill of Beans, that you do not believe it. I BELIEVE the HOLY SPIRIT HAS REVEALED THAT IS TRUTH. The fact that you disagree, is just your Choice. I am somewhat disappointed that you cannot see the HOLY SPIRIT has put JOY IN ME, every time I think about HIM Coming Soon to Call Out the BRIDE to come and meet HIM in the AIR, and Travel with HIM to the NEW DWELLING PLACE. I will always think your theory is wrong. AND I will always keep ready for my Bridegroom. I hope you do to.
Look.....that is your choice....it does not change my view of you....and I will remind you....I was RAISED in a church that taught what you believe.....I dogmatically defended it and then studied through the bible twice a year for 4 years in seminary and seen a plethora of contradictions that do no JIVE with the imminent return.......and to be honest...WE are all called to be OPEN to learning and instruction....MOST people that have embraced the IMMINENT return have closed their minds to the truth as you have stated at least three times.....so.....believe as you will migo
 
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The Dead In Christ RISE FIRST - And that would include the O.T. Saints that Believed Messiah would COME.

Then WE WHICH REMAIN - All N.T. Saints of all time, including a few Catholics.<----THESE are those ALIVE and REMAINING

Then the BEHEADED Tribulation Saints - Who have not worshiped the Antichrist. <---THESE are dead in CHRIST THE DEAD RISE FIRST


SO the SUM TOTAL of all TRUE BELIEVERS of ALL TIME, are part of the Same Resurrection of MESSIAH'S Believers with HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS.




23 But each in his own order: Christ, the firstfruits; afterward, at His coming, those who belong to Christ.<--YOU made extra divisions beyond the order
You just contradicted yourself in your view in at least three ways..........and YOU embellished the word beyond the context
 
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My interpretation of the Last TRUMP, comes from the Messianic Christian Believers. There is a JEWISH FESTIVAL Called the Feast of Trumpets. During that Services there are SEVERAL TRUMPET CALLS. The FINAL ONE IS CALLED THE LAST TRUMP. I believe the LORD will have an angel or several angels BLOW THE SEQUENCE of the Feast of TRUMPETS, including the LAST TRUMP. It has absolutely nothing to do with TRUMPET JUDGEMENTS.



Here is what the Last Trump sounds like, during the Feast of Trumpets:

The last Trump is the last trump regardless of how one slices and dices....HERE is a project lesson for you......

Jericho is the first city conquered AFTER they came out of the wilderness of SIN and entered the promise land..go study the order and what takes place....the ORDER MATCHES the sequence of the SEALS and TRUMPETS precisely....INCLUDING the words SHOUT, ASCENSION and VICTORY found in the two sets of the resurrection SCRIPTURES in 1st Thessalonians 4 and 1st Corinthians 15........ad it is SO precise in it's order that it even LEAVES out the THUNDERS that are kept CONCEALED by the command of GOD.
 
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They are the 144,000 GOD chose from every Tribe of ISRAEL, to be sealed in their mortal bodies, so they will not be harmed, so they can REPOPULATE ISRAEL, after it has been utterly destroyed, DURING CHRIST WAR WITH THE NATIONS. It says so in Scripture. Read the entire 14th Chapter of Zechariah.


Wow, I assume you never even thought of this, HE MARRIES THE ASSEMBLY THAT HE HAS BUILT, THE Spiritual BODY we were IMMERSED INTO that SPIRITUAL BODY, the Holy Spirit immersed us into, OF WHICH HE IS THE HEAD.

So individually we are the Guests,
and COLLECTIVELY WE ARE THE BRIDE.

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Could that be the end of the Stalemate ?
Show me one wedding in history where the guest are the bride.....don't bother....you will not be able to NAME ONE wedding where the guests ARE also the BRIDE.....
 
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thats great artwork i agree.

i just want to know has anyone here ever changed their minds about eschatology? (study of end times) i know dcon was pre-trib in the past.

i was amill in the past.

any others?
My home church was dispensational never made sense to me. people disappearing planes crashing with no piolts.

God works by purifying hearts by a work of His faith in every generation

The Amil seems to work the best.


What made you move form the Amil?