The children of Abraham

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Pilgrimshope

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Mayes brother that’s all I desire from this place able to discuss sometimes agree and sometimes not , but take. O occasion to cause one another to stumble and fall or display the immaturity and insights and accusations ect

when it turns into that it’s no longer beneficial to anyone involved , I truly do agree with you there it’s a really wonderful thing to discuss in a good Christian spirit , and stay out of the bitterness that springs up just because someone might have a different thought than we do about a subject best too pray and let the lord reconcile the differences where there is Christian love spiritually for the right purpose God works rapidly and surely to do good for us and in us especially

haha I guess like anything discussing scripture can be wonderful or more trouble than it’s worth depending on the spirit of intention , I just want to learn what the lord has really said to us , because there are so
Many versions of it in the world that are quite different

I believe there’s one truth and a lot of misconception and error and want the truth
 
Blik

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Dino246 said:
You keep confusing the issue. It's really simple:

God gave the Law to Israel.

Period!

There is no record in the Bible that God ever gave the Law to anyone else to be followed to the letter. In fact, when Paul made reference to the gentiles in Romans 3, he wrote that they don't have the law!

You keep claiming that the Law was all about God showing "us" how to live, and what He is like. However, the Bible doesn't say those things! It seems to me that your entire position is based on your assumptions and paraphrases of what the Bible says, not on what it actually says. Given how frequently you paraphrase others (and me) instead of quoting directly, and what portion of those paraphrases is very different from what people actually say, I wonder whether you haven't simply taken the words of Scripture and re-written them in your own mind.

Here's what I suggest: the next time you want to write a post stating what you think the Bible is saying, go and find the evidence in the Bible first. Then quote exactly what the Bible says; don't paraphrase it. If you can't find the evidence, maybe you need to reconsider what you think. :)
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It is NOT simple, or you and I would be able to read scripture and learn the same things from it. Israel in scripture it also not simple. There is the earthly nation of Israel and the spiritual Israel and scripture speaks of both. It does not specify which it is speaking of, we are to grasp it through the context. That in itself is not simple.

I wish we could manage to agree about the instructions given to Israel in the old testament. I think it is important. You see it as separate instructions, although any time I try to understand you I am accused of paraphrasing and getting it wrong. Bewildering. I feel God is truth, and we are to see the truth in the instructions given to Israel, not get caught up in context.
 
JaumeJ

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Jesus-Yeshua reminded the Pharisees they were leaving out mercy when they applied the law.

Does stoning anyone sound merciful to you?
 
Magenta

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JaumeJ said:
Jesus-Yeshua reminded the Pharisees they were leaving out mercy when they applied the law.

Does stoning anyone sound merciful to you?
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Are you asking me, or the hypocrite known as Blik? Because she is the one who said, "I don't see how we can listen to scripture and not follow it." As if none of it were done away, that we should follow all of it. It is a major problem for her to acknowledge that the older covenants are no longer in effect, to the point where when such things are pointed out to her, she goes on the attack, plays the victim, carps and criticizes, and tries to convince us that she is not judging people. Only in her delusional mind is she not judging people.

I have tried cutting Blik slack because of her advanced age, but she makes many errors regarding
Scripture. I for one will not sit idly by while she repeatedly misrepresents the Word of God.
 
JaumeJ

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Magenta said:
Are you asking me, or the hypocrite known as Blik? Because she is the one who said, "I don't see how we can listen to scripture and not follow it." As if none of it were done away, that we should follow all of it. It is a major problem for her to acknowledge that the older covenants are no longer in effect, to the point where when such things are pointed out to her, she goes on the attack, plays the victim, carps and criticizes, and tries to convince us that she is not judging people. Only in her delusional mind is she not judging people.

I have tried cutting Blik slack because of her advanced age, but she makes many errors regarding
Scripture. I for one will not sit idly by while she repeatedly misrepresents the Word of God.
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That is general. Jesus chided those who thought they understood the law telling them they left out faith, justice and mercy in their understanding. Those three principles must be applied when administering the law. Mercy alone, tells us we may forgive all, for without mercy there can be no true faith in God.
 
Magenta

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JaumeJ said:
That is general. Jesus chided those who thought they understood the law telling them they left out faith, justice and mercy in their understanding. Those three principles must be applied when administering the law. Mercy alone, tells us we may forgive all, for without mercy there can be no true faith in God.
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Acts 13:38-39

Romans 10:17 + Galatians 3:5
:)
 
Pilgrimshope

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JaumeJ said:
Jesus-Yeshua reminded the Pharisees they were leaving out mercy when they applied the law.

Does stoning anyone sound merciful to you?
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the law is what it is . There was a commandment to kill sinners in the law in order to keep Israel’s camp holy it wasn’t thier lack of Mercy it was the structure of the law itself

“And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.

And the Lord said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.

And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses.”
‭‭Numbers‬ ‭15:32-33, 35-36‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that isn’t a lack of mercy from the people , it is the structure of a law meant to give knowledge of sin and death

“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

there’s nothing in the law to justify a sinner or please God. It’s not for Christians it’s for these folks

“Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭1:9-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it’s for the unrepentant sinners , not to save them but to hold them guilty before God and sentence them to death . In the hopes that they will realize thier need for salvation and turn to the lord in thier need And be saved
 
JaumeJ

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Jesus-Yeshua teaches if a law does not contain mrcy, it is not being applied correctly. Love does not take away the opportunity to repent.
 
Pilgrimshope

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JaumeJ said:
Jesus-Yeshua teaches if a law does not contain mrcy, it is not being applied correctly. Love does not take away the opportunity to repent.
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the law is to be kept as it is written that’s why it didn’t save any sinners only condemned them

it’s a different covenant for different people fleshly worldly people do they require a law for them

“Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭1:9-10‬ ‭

we can’t be those people and be saved , we have to repent of those things and be born again into the kingdom of God and the word of Christ which is the opposite

The knowledge of sin and death sounds like this

“Thou shalt not commit adultery.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭20:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.”
‭‭Leviticus‬ ‭20:10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Even to the point the sinners were a curse after thier death

And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree:

His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is accursed of God;) that thy land be not defiled, which the Lord thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.”

‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭21:22-23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the law is fulfilled upon the sinner when they are cursed into death leaving no room for a sinner to repent because if the law is to be fulfilled then the sinner must be handed over to death by Gods word.

And done so according to his word that declares a dead sinner is a accursed of God leaving a person who dies having thier sins upon them cursed in death forever

And so we needed salvation from that curse in that law upon sin

“Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:”

‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:1

And we needed a word that would not condemn us for our sins but call us to repentance and offer life instead of death

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭

we’re not lawless we have the law of the spirit of Christ in the gospel that sets us free from that law of sin and certain death in the ot
 
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