The Coming Tribulation: Many Brethren Are Ignorant About It
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And I was pointing out (from BlueLetterBible) how that IF the Greek word is "PLURAL" = "MANY" (the word "MANY");
See, you couldn't help but place an "S" on the end of that word when referring to the "PLURAL" of it. lol
As to your example, how many times have you gone to the grocery store and asked, "Where do you keep your 'GREAT GRAPE'? I've been invited to a party and have been asked to bring some fruit to share, so I need 'GREAT GRAPE'. Would you mind pointing me in the right direction?"
I would venture to say that (when ACTUALLY USING THE basic WORD "GRAPE" in your sentences--to be consistent with the text under discussion), you would NOT have expressed it this way ^ (in my example) , but rather, more like, "...since I'm taking them to a party, I need 'MANY GRAPES'..." (not, "... I need 'GREAT GRAPE'"... doubt you say it like that, lol... or would you?)
See, you couldn't help but place an "S" on the end of that word when referring to the "PLURAL" of it. lol
As to your example, how many times have you gone to the grocery store and asked, "Where do you keep your 'GREAT GRAPE'? I've been invited to a party and have been asked to bring some fruit to share, so I need 'GREAT GRAPE'. Would you mind pointing me in the right direction?"
I would venture to say that (when ACTUALLY USING THE basic WORD "GRAPE" in your sentences--to be consistent with the text under discussion), you would NOT have expressed it this way ^ (in my example) , but rather, more like, "...since I'm taking them to a party, I need 'MANY GRAPES'..." (not, "... I need 'GREAT GRAPE'"... doubt you say it like that, lol... or would you?)
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^ Those ideas are neglecting to note that "Rev1:1 / 1:19c / 4:1" speaks SPECIFICALLY to "[to SHEW unto...] ... things which must come to pass IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]"
(NOT things which would unfold over the course of some near-2000 years, as the Historicists have it;
NOT things which would take place immediateLY [adverbs], as the Preterists have it;
and NOT things which would happen throughout various points of human history since creation, as the Idealists [and others] have it. NO!)
--"things which MUST come to pass IN QUICKNESS" (1:1 / 1:19c / 4:1) must necessarily INCLUDE what 7:9,14 speaks to: "the tribulation the great" (what Jesus had already spoken of in Matt24:15,21... and [in which words] He had referred back to Daniel's words ["AoD [SINGULAR / SINGULAR] SET UP [H5414]" in Dan12:11!]--where it also supplies very specific TIMING/DAY-AMOUNTS wording, consistent with Rev's own meticulous and detailed "timing-words");
--Another pertinent point: "the beginning of birth PANGS" (Mt24:4-8, etc) *ARE* the "SEALS" of Rev6 (and those START at the COMMENCEMENT of that "IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" time-period "1:1 / 1:19c / 4:1"... that is, taking place WITHIN that future, specific, LIMITED, "in quickness" time-period); This means that "the tribulation the great" (which takes place AFTER those!) refers to AN EVEN SHORTER amount of time than THAT! (i.e. the "GT" only commences at the MID-trib point, whereas "the beginning of birth PANGS / the SEALS" start way back at the beginning of the whole "7 year period" [at the ARRIVAL OF "the DOTL" time-period, that Paul said was NOT here yet! and won't be, without its KEY PLAYER--"IN HIS TIME"]; whereas "the tribulation the GREAT" is only the SECOND HALF of it (when "1260 days" [or "42 months"] are yet remaining until Christ's Second Coming to the earth Rev19)
(NOT things which would unfold over the course of some near-2000 years, as the Historicists have it;
NOT things which would take place immediateLY [adverbs], as the Preterists have it;
and NOT things which would happen throughout various points of human history since creation, as the Idealists [and others] have it. NO!)
--"things which MUST come to pass IN QUICKNESS" (1:1 / 1:19c / 4:1) must necessarily INCLUDE what 7:9,14 speaks to: "the tribulation the great" (what Jesus had already spoken of in Matt24:15,21... and [in which words] He had referred back to Daniel's words ["AoD [SINGULAR / SINGULAR] SET UP [H5414]" in Dan12:11!]--where it also supplies very specific TIMING/DAY-AMOUNTS wording, consistent with Rev's own meticulous and detailed "timing-words");
--Another pertinent point: "the beginning of birth PANGS" (Mt24:4-8, etc) *ARE* the "SEALS" of Rev6 (and those START at the COMMENCEMENT of that "IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" time-period "1:1 / 1:19c / 4:1"... that is, taking place WITHIN that future, specific, LIMITED, "in quickness" time-period); This means that "the tribulation the great" (which takes place AFTER those!) refers to AN EVEN SHORTER amount of time than THAT! (i.e. the "GT" only commences at the MID-trib point, whereas "the beginning of birth PANGS / the SEALS" start way back at the beginning of the whole "7 year period" [at the ARRIVAL OF "the DOTL" time-period, that Paul said was NOT here yet! and won't be, without its KEY PLAYER--"IN HIS TIME"]; whereas "the tribulation the GREAT" is only the SECOND HALF of it (when "1260 days" [or "42 months"] are yet remaining until Christ's Second Coming to the earth Rev19)
Since when does the Church have any relevance to Daniel 2, 3, 7, 9, 12 etc etc.
Why is the Church a "mystery" revealed mainly by Paul, and NOT seen in the book of Daniel?
Why are all of the OT prophets EXCLUSIVELY speaking to:
1) the sons of Jacob
2) the land of Israel
3) the city of Jerusalem
Dan 9:24
Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people (Israelites) and upon thy holy city (Jerusalem), to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
Dan 9:27
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Dan 3:15
Now if ye be ready that at what time ye hear the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, and dulcimer, and all kinds of musick, ye fall down and worship the image which I have made; well: but if ye worship not, ye shall be cast the same hour into the midst of a burning fiery furnace; and who is that God that shall deliver you out of my hands?
Rev 13:15
And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
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You have just lost your case. Just here and now with this one post and a few passages. Nobody in their right mind can deny it.
Why is the Church a "mystery" revealed mainly by Paul, and NOT seen in the book of Daniel?
Why are all of the OT prophets EXCLUSIVELY speaking to:
1) the sons of Jacob
2) the land of Israel
3) the city of Jerusalem
Dan 9:24
Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people (Israelites) and upon thy holy city (Jerusalem), to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
Dan 9:27
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Dan 3:15
Now if ye be ready that at what time ye hear the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, and dulcimer, and all kinds of musick, ye fall down and worship the image which I have made; well: but if ye worship not, ye shall be cast the same hour into the midst of a burning fiery furnace; and who is that God that shall deliver you out of my hands?
Rev 13:15
And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
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You have just lost your case. Just here and now with this one post and a few passages. Nobody in their right mind can deny it.
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And in case you failed to notice, Yeshua came at precisely 69 weeks for the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
And He will be coming again at the 70th week.....for the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
In both cases, gentiles are incidentally saved too of course. But we are merely the byproduct.
To the Jew FIRST.......and also the Greek.
Any objections?
And He will be coming again at the 70th week.....for the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
In both cases, gentiles are incidentally saved too of course. But we are merely the byproduct.
To the Jew FIRST.......and also the Greek.
Any objections?