The Concept of a Trinity

[MattforJesus]

I'm "hungry" to know hungry, where in the entire Bible is Jesus identified as God the Father?

IN GOD THE SON,
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Not debating a trinity,or not,but what about these scriptures.

1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him.

Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Why does the Bible only attribute the Father as God.

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Isa 9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

Why is the Son called the everlasting Father.

Isa 52:5 Now therefore, what have I here, saith the LORD, that my people is taken away for nought? they that rule over them make them to howl, saith the LORD; and my name continually every day is blasphemed.
Isa 52:6 Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I.

God the Father said that He will reveal His new name to the Jews,and speak to them.

Joh 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
Joh 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
Joh 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

Joh 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Heb 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Jesus came in His Father's name,and the Son inherited the name Jesus from the Father,and the Spirit comes in the name of Jesus.

Why does the Bible only attribute the Father as God,and He said He would reveal a new name to the Jews,and speak to them,which He in time past spoke to the people by prophets,but in the last days by His Son,which the Son shall be called the everlasting Father,and Jesus told Philip if you seen Me,you seen the Father,and the words that I speak are not my own,but the Father that dwells in Me,He does the works.

And the Bible says there is one throne in heaven,and one who sits on that throne,which is the throne of God and the Lamb,God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus,not two thrones in heaven,which Jesus at the right hand means that God exalted Him until His enemies are conquered,then the Son shall submit to the Father,that God may be all in all.

Jesus is the only person we will see in heaven,for there is only one throne in heaven,not two.

Is it a trinity,or is it the way God has a relationship with the saints,and His works,designated by titles,but it is the same God with no distinction of persons.

Father-Creator of all things,and parent of the saints,and Father of spirits.

Son-God's visible relationship with the saints,and Him working visibly among people.

Holy Spirit-God's invisible relationship to the saints,and God working invisibly among people,and that is why the Spirit moved in creation,and Jesus was conceived by the Spirit,and the Spirit dwells in the saints.

One God,who is a Holy Spirit,Father is a title for God,and the Son is the man Christ Jesus,the personal human body of God.

Is that what the Bible is really saying,for the Bible only attributes the Father as God.

1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him.

Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

They say there is 3 persons in one God,so that means it would take all 3 persons to make one God,and then they say,God the Father,God the Son,and God the Holy Spirit,saying there is 3 Gods.

Why was Jesus conceived by the Spirit,that caused the Son of God,for where is God the Son in the conception if it was the second person of a trinity being manifest in flesh.If it was the third person of the trinity causing the conception,then God the Son did not have any part of it,and the conception could of not brought about God the Son.

Some things do not appear as if there is a trinity in the Bible.Son means to come after the Father,or else Son has no meaning,but the Son had no beginning as His deity as God.

 

[trofimus]

could be the root of the term Nazarene, but the point was they (Jesus, the 12, the first set of believers) were called Nazarenes, not nazarethites. and the roman church called this group heretics.

"...and he went and lived in a town called Nazareth. So was fulfilled what was said through the prophets, that he would be called a Nazarene."
Mt 2:23

Even though people called Christians Nazarenes sometimes, it does not mean that Jesus or his apostles were of the Jewish sect called Nazarenes. That is a different group.

The base for calling Jesus Nazarene was the town He was from. And his disciples were named after Him, Nazarenes (Nazarene) or Christians (Christ).

 

[jaybird88]

Numbers 23:19
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God is not man, that he should lie,
or a son of man, that he should change his mind.
Has he said, and will he not do it?
Or has he spoken, and will he not fulfill it?

it really burns my bacon when people ignore scripture.

 

[oldhermit]

Numbers 23:19
19
God is not man, that he should lie,
or a son of man, that he should change his mind.
Has he said, and will he not do it?
Or has he spoken, and will he not fulfill it?

it really burns my bacon when people ignore scripture.

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:1

"But of the Son he says, 'Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness beyond your companions.” Heb 1:8-9.

It really burns my bacon when people ignore scripture.

 

[FlSnookman7]

Luke 4:16-21 [FONT=&quot]16 He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. He stood up to read,[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]17 and the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written:[/FONT][FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]18 “The Spirit of the Lord is on me,
because he has anointed me
to proclaim good news to the poor.
He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners
and recovery of sight for the blind,
to set the oppressed free,
19 to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.”[a][/FONT]
[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]20 Then he rolled up the scroll, gave it back to the attendant and sat down. The eyes of everyone in the synagogue were fastened on him.21 He began by saying to them, “Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.”

What do you think He is proclaiming here?[/FONT]

 

[jaybird88]

"...and he went and lived in a town called Nazareth. So was fulfilled what was said through the prophets, that he would be called a Nazarene."
Mt 2:23

Even though people called Christians Nazarenes sometimes does not mean that Jesus or his apostles really were of the Jewish sect called Nazarenes. That is a different group.

so the bible called Jesus a nazarene. you have a group that called themselves the exact same thing. and your willing to toss that aside to defend the heresy?

hard to believe Jesus was a Nazarene, the first group were called nazarenes, yet they disappear overnight and are replaced by a group calling themselves the exact same name but according to rome teaching a very different gospel. and what happened to that first group of Nazarene? where they just poorly prepared to carry on the message of Jesus? their original teachers where Jesus and the 12 right? lucky for us we have rome to set us straight. rome was the ones that crucified Jesus right?

maybe i am crazy but from my experience a group that is different from another group would never call themselves the exact same name.

 

[trofimus]

so the bible called Jesus a nazarene. you have a group that called themselves the exact same thing. and your willing to toss that aside to defend the heresy?

hard to believe Jesus was a Nazarene, the first group were called nazarenes, yet they disappear overnight and are replaced by a group calling themselves the exact same name but according to rome teaching a very different gospel. and what happened to that first group of Nazarene? where they just poorly prepared to carry on the message of Jesus? their original teachers where Jesus and the 12 right? lucky for us we have rome to set us straight. rome was the ones that crucified Jesus right?

maybe i am crazy but from my experience a group that is different from another group would never call themselves the exact same name.

I must admit I do not follow your chain of thoughts.

Just a note, Christians did not call themselves "Nazarenes", Bible just records that the enemies of Gospel called them so. And you cannot expect them to be very informed about the origin of Jesus's titles.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

I often see Islamic critics claim that Jesus cant be God because the Bible tells us that there is only one God, and that God is not a man, and that even Jesus said to worship God alone. They seem to ignore the parts of the Gospel where Jesus accepts worship, and even claims that God has handed judgement over to Him, so that we will honor Him just as we honor the Father.

John 5:21-23 21 For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it. 22 Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, 23 that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.

If the Father and the Son are not one, then what was Christ? If He and the Father are not one, then we either have multiple gods, or Christ contradicted Himself, meaning everyone who claims Him is wrong.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

Numbers 23:19
19
God is not man, that he should lie,
or a son of man, that he should change his mind.
Has he said, and will he not do it?
Or has he spoken, and will he not fulfill it?

it really burns my bacon when people ignore scripture.

Jaybird, you should read Genesis 18. The Lord appeared to Abraham in the form of a man.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+18&version=NIV

 

[jaybird88]

Jaybird, you should read Genesis 18. The Lord appeared to Abraham in the form of a man.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+18&version=NIV

He also appeared in clouds and burning bushes.

 

[Muzungu256]

These people are never going to believe Jesus is God no matter what scripture tells them. They ignore the testimony of John. They ignore the testimony of Paul and the other apostles and they even ignore the testimony of the Father and I weary of dealing with these people.

but maybe they "feel" it????? who needs scriptures when u got feelings

 

[oldhermit]

but maybe they "feel" it????? who needs scriptures when u got feelings

It is not important what man feels or thinks. It is only important what God says.

 

[jaybird88]

but maybe they "feel" it????? who needs scriptures when u got feelings

who needs scripture when you have doctrine.

 

[MarcR]

These people are never going to believe Jesus is God no matter what scripture tells them. They ignore the testimony of John. They ignore the testimony of Paul and the other apostles and they even ignore the testimony of the Father and I weary of dealing with these people.

I agree; but it goes further. Evolutionists are in the same bag. Any doctrine or teaching that puts man's thoughts equal to or above God's revealed truth is Foolishness.

Ro 1:18-22
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
KJV

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

He also appeared in clouds and burning bushes.

Im not sure what your point is? The point is that God can and has come in the flesh of a man.

Christ Himself said that He existed and shared in the glory of God before the earth even existed.

John 17:4-5 . 4 I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do. 5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.

 

[Prov910]

Haha yeah the OP trotted out his opinion convinced he is right... right?

I'm not sure what you are trying to say. If you are saying I agree with the OP, then you are misrepresenting my post. But I forgive you.

It is against the site rules to continually present and argue for the acceptance of heretical views. Denying the Trinity/that Jesus is God is a bannable offense, because it is heretical. The Deity of Jesus Christ is a core Christian belief. As the apostle Paul stated, For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form (Col. 2:9).

Are you referring to Rule 1 concerning nothing anti-Christian or inappropriate? It seems to me that threatening someone with being banned is more anti-Christian and inappropriate than anything in my post. But I forgive you.

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One of the things I don't like about CC is how some are so quick to judge others. Perhaps they should look inward and reflect on WWJD.

 

[jaybird88]

Im not sure what your point is? The point is that God can and has come in the flesh of a man.

Christ Himself said that He existed and shared in the glory of God before the earth even existed.

John 17:4-5 . 4 I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do. 5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.

the point is the Father can reveal Himself in many ways.

the Son said all believers share in that same glory

John 17:22
The glory that you have given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one,

 

[TashaB]

26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. 27 Then saith he to Thomas, reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. 29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
John 20:26-29

According to this Jesus is God. If you say no you make Jesus a liar and say he is a heretic. Which he most certainly s not! Jesus is our Lord, our God in the flesh, our savior.

 

[jaybird88]

26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. 27 Then saith he to Thomas, reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. 29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
John 20:26-29

According to this Jesus is God. If you say no you make Jesus a liar and say he is a heretic. Which he most certainly s not! Jesus is our Lord, our God in the flesh, our savior.

maybe im confused but where does Jesus say He is the Most High in this passage?

i always thought it strange that if thats whats being taught in the above scripture, not saying its not, but very odd it would be left out of the conclusion of the passage that explains the purpose of the book

John 30-31
[SUP]30 [/SUP]Now Jesus did many other signs in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; [SUP]31 [/SUP]but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

 

[TashaB]

Thomas says my Lord and my God. Jesus does not rebuke him saying he's not God. Wouldn't he have though if it was in fact not true?