The Cosmos

[DiscipleDave]

hooray! let's add another instance to the list you say doesn't exist
as a mathematician i love to make n + 1 out of n

For in Him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through Him and for Him. ​

(Colossians 1:16)​

but you say,



God says all things - visible & invisible, physical and non-physical, are made through Him and also for Him
what, Jesus created Himself for Himself?
oh, then that makes Him what?
that makes Jesus = I AM THAT I AM



ain't it great learning humility?

Sorry i have no ideal what you are talking about in what you say above.

Is air invisible? Jesus made air.

Are you suggesting that Jesus Christ created the Father in Heaven?
Are you suggesting that Jesus Christ created Himself from Himself?
Jesus made all things that were MADE, invisible and visible.
The Father was NOT MADE.
Jesus was not MADE.
You do error in not understanding that Jesus made all things (invisible and visible) that are MADE of molecules, electrons, atoms, etc. .. .
God the Father is not MADE of atoms, molecules, electrons, etc. . . .

Invisible things that were MADE by Jesus are things like gas, air, wind, etc . .. .

Jesus, the first born, did NOT make His Father in Heaven. Anyone who teaches that teaches a doctrine that is not of God.

There is the Father in Heaven. No physical matter whatsoever, was NEVER MADE.
There is the Son of the Father in Heaven. PHYSICAL body, made of matter, and was CREATED by His Father.
There is the Holy Ghost in Heaven. Spiritual body, made of spirit, and was CREATED by Her Father

Tell me, did you son create you, or did you create your son?

Jesus plainly and clearly testifies that He is the Son of His Father in Heaven, and when Jesus prayed, He prayed and talked with His Father which was in Heaven. The Father in Heaven sent down His Created ONLY Son to the Earth, while He, the Father stayed in Heaven. Jesus created all things that were MADE, all things that were invisible that were made were made by Him, all things that were visible that were made by Him also. But Jesus never created or MADE His Father in Heaven. Nor did Jesus MAKE himself.

Pleople need to wake up and understand that there are THREE (3) in Heaven. The Father, The Son, and the Holy Ghost. These THREE all sit on ONE Throne. The Father in the middle, the Son Jesus Christ to the Fathers right, the Holy Ghost sits to the Fathers left. All three make up ONE GOD, but they are most certainly different one from another. The Father is without form of any kind, not invisible not visible. Jesus is visible, in the flesh, has physical body that can be seen and touched. The Holy Ghost is invisible.

Jesus who sits to the right of the FATHER, did not create the Father. Nor did Jesus create the Holy Ghost either. Jesus Christ is the Son of the Father, created by the Father. Jesus rightly said and testifies that He is the Son of the Father in Heaven, because Jesus knows also that the Father made Him. Jesus even testifies that all that He knows and does is what the Father gave to Him.

Jesus MADE all things that were MADE, invisible and visible.
The Father was NEVER MADE. The Father MADE Jesus Christ His Son.

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DiscipleDave

 

[preacher4truth]

Are you aware that Scriptures plainly and clearly teach that ALL LIARS will burn in the lake of fire and brimstone? Rev 21:8. Brother you testify on a Christian Chat that i have been shown multiple times, by multiple brothers on multiple issues, then it should not be to hard to reveal to me one post where that was done. Else you are lying and need to repent of falsely accusing a Brother in the Jesus Christ. Just one post where i have been shown a Scripture that contradicts anything i have said, anywhere on CC, If you claim that i have been shown Multiple times, then how hard would it be to reveal the evidence of this accusation? Or are you merely saying this, without any knowledge at all that i have been shown any errors multiple times.

i have been on CC for some years, and i always in everything that i teach challenge people to show one verse that is contrary to what God has told me, and i tell you. And to my knowledge to this date, not one person has been able to do so, yet you testify that i have been shown my errors multiple times, by multiple brothers, on multiple issues. (note: why did you leave out multiple sisters?) Tell me where has someone shown me my error? If you claim multiple times, then it should be easy to find right?

How is it, you will find NONE, and won't show one post where i have been corrected by Scriptures. But so you know brother and so you can go to the Lord and ask for forgiveness of bearing false witness against a servant of Jesus Christ, "i forgive you"

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DiscipleDave

You're continuing to make posts that are heretical, even now.

Now, put an end to your slander and false accusations against me.

 

[preacher4truth]

i agree with all you say above, except what is bolded and underlined above. The Truth is that Jesus is the first begotten son of God the Father. There was a specific time that He was begotten, born, created. FIRST BORN. Jesus made all things that were made. Jesus did NOT make Himself. Jesus Christ is physical being, the Son of God, the first born of the Father. Jesus began when the Father created Him.

Only the Father in Heaven, is TRULY infinite. For the Father has no beginning, nor any end. Jesus on the other hand was begotten of the Father, became the Son of the Father, Jesus had a start. How can i explain this? It's like God creating a life that is immortal. That life can't die or be killed, and will live for ever and ever and never cease to be, but even though it is immortal, that life had a start when God created it. Before Jesus was born in Heaven, the Father existed. Before Heaven was created the Father existed. The Father created Jesus Christ, His Firstborn. Jesus then created all things that were made, Heaven, Angels, the Universe. Before Jesus there was no Love. Which is the very point i was trying to make to another poster, without anything to love, love ceases to be. The Father existed, True, but with nothing to Love, Love did not exist, until which time the Father created something to Love, Only at the creation of His Firstborn did LOVE come into existence. God walking on the moon Loves NOBODY and Nobody loves Him. No we can speculate that there is Love on the moon, because God is there, and He is Love, but without anyone to Love, Love is not expressed. Love that is not expressed is not love. The Father created Jesus Christ, and called Him His Son, His firstborn. Jesus then created all things in the universe for His Father who created Him. Now because of the inhabitants of all of Heaven, Love is everywhere. But as i was saying before if Heaven had no inhabitants (Jesus included) there would be no love.

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DiscipleDave

Jesus didn't "have a start". That's heresy.

 

[DiscipleDave]

who opens and closes the womb?
what does scripture say about that? what's the Biblical picture of fertility and conception?

for You formed my inward parts; You knitted me together in my mother's womb. ​

(Psalm 139:13) ​

God stepped in after the parents created?
it is good that God came up with a plan for you after your parents surprised Him by creating you

before I formed you in the womb I knew you​

(Jeremiah 1:5)​

wait..

before I was born the Lord called me ​

(Isaiah 49:1) ​

hmm...

i am not disagreeing with any of this, but is off topic what we are discussing. It was said that Jesus was not created but born. i merely tried to point out that a husband and wife can choose to CREATE a child, which is then BORN. And now somehow we are off topic talking about WHY people are born. How people are born, the womb, etc. . . .

A poster said Jesus was born, NOT created.

i then replied that a husband and wife can choose to CREATE a child, which is then BORN. Do you see how satan can take something simple and complicate it by adding in all this other stuff, that has nothing to do with the topic being replied to?

Reminds me of Scriptures where they waited and listened to Jesus teaching, waiting to snare Him in His words.


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DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

what's hard to grasp here, i think, is the fact that of the Son it is written, "they shall call Him Everlasting Father"

i do not believe there is such a time as 'before Jesus Christ' -- that set of time is in math written, ∅, the empty set, null.

So you believe that the Father in Heaven did not send down His ONLY begotten Son, is that what you are saying? If Scriptures testifies that Jesus is begotten, and Born, those words alone certainly teaches He was created, unless you deny Scriptures.

definition of begotten: brought into existence by or as if by a parent

The very word itself plainly teaches that Jesus was brought into existence, BORN, CREATED, by His parent, His Father. The verse testifies that God sent His only begotten son to the Earth. So the Father in Heaven born His son, created His Son, created Jesus First, the mere fact that the Word of God uses the word begotten, plainly and clearly teaches the Father in Heaven brought into Existence His Son, Jesus Christ the firstborn. The very first thing ever created, was Jesus Christ.

Tell me, when the Son of God was on Earth in Human flesh, where was His Father?
Tell me, When the Son of God prayed, who did He pray to?

Jesus is an Everlasting Father.

do you not have many fathers on Earth?

You have a Father, you have a grand Father, you have a Great grand Father, you have a Great Great grand Father. All of them Fathers, Howbeit none of them everlasting.
The Father in Heaven is Everlasting, He created His Son Jesus Christ, who then created us. The Father in Heaven is Eternal. The Son is also Eternal, Both of them are an Everlasting Father. Jesus Created me, He is my Father. Jesus has a Father which created Him, He too is my Father, (Grand Father sort of speaking) But both are Everlasting Fathers.

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DiscipleDave

 

[JaumeJ]

i hear you accusing me of being a false teacher. Tell me would it be a Godly thing to give the evidence that backs up a persons accusations against a Brother in the Lord? You accuse me of being false, yet do not give anything that i have said that is contrary to any Scriptures, why? If i am teaching false things, is it not your duty to God to try to reveal such false teachings that other sheep are not led astray by such false teachings. Or will you take the easy path, by merely accusing a Brother in the Lord of teaching false things but do not reveal anything that they are teaching contrary to Scriptures, do you think God is pleased by that, or displeased by that?

i have challenged everyone who reads anything i write to reveal any Scripture that is contrary to anything that God told me to teach. yet what do i get from this generation, mere accusation.
If i am indeed teaching false things, then reveal the Scriptures that are contrary to what i teach, which i plainly testify is what God told me. If i teach in my own name, then i would be self-righteous. If i say the TRUTHS that i have come from me, from my own understanding from my own studies of the Bible, then i am a false teacher, and self-righteous. But i say what i teach come from God, and i am called self proclaimed, does that make any since at all. i say "God told me" and you claim "Self righteous" Makes no since.

What does Scriptures teach how you can tell a false teacher? Do you not try the spirits? And how do you try the spirits? Know you not that the Word of God is TRUTH. Anyone who teaches things contrary to any verse in all of Scriptures is teaching a false doctrine. God plainly told me this:

"If what you believe contradicts even one verse in Scriptures, then what you believe is WRONG"

What? am i self righteous because i tell you what God told me? Really?

preacher4truth, what have i done to YOU, that you would accuse me like you have? Did i offend you in some way? Did i wrong you in any way whatsoever? Or was it in Truth, i said something that YOU did not agree with, not that what i said contradicts Scriptures, but contradicts what YOU think is the TRUTH, is the reason you have deemed me to be a false? Tell me now, what it was that i said that makes you accuse me as being a false teacher. Can you reveal what i said that is false? or do you merely accuse me of being a false teacher, without any evidence to support such a claim.

You would do well to remember Scriptures that plainly teach how you judge others, is EXACTLY how you will be judged by God Himself. You judge me as being false, and i am asking you to reveal to me what i said that you have judged me to be false.

Mat 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

So you judge me, have i judged you in any way whatsoever? Yet you have judged me as being a false teacher. Tell me, what have i said that you think is false, and show the Scriptures thanks.

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DiscipleDave

Let us beginwith this truth, Jesus Christ is the Firstborn of the dead.

Now let us refer to the Gospel of Joh, first chapter which says in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and theWord was God………...the Alpha and the Omega, with no beginning and no end.

It is a mytery that no one truly understands, but all who believe Jesus believe this mystery.

You may call Jesus , among other titles, Everlasting Father, God Almighty, Ruler of Peace, Wonderful, Counselor. I cannot explain the I Am That I am, but I believe Him......... Read Isaiah 9:6 for starters, it is a very good start....God bless you my brother.

 

[DiscipleDave]

Jesus was begotten of the Father, Yes or no?
Jesus was first born, Yes or no?

Before Jesus the Father existed. There was ONLY the FATHER. At this time there was no Heaven, no Jesus, NOTHING. Jesus was then begotten of the Father, First Born of the Father. God the Father who has no physical matter whatsoever, created Jesus in a physical body. God the Father is a spirit, not flesh, not physical. God the Son, Jesus Christ is a body, Glorified Flesh, physical. What? Jesus created Himself. lol.

The Father begotten His Son Jesus Christ, which is the Father created Him. And He was the first begotten, the word first reveals the Father created something else after that, which is the Holy Ghost, which is the Second begotten of the Father. Jesus created all things that WERE MADE. Jesus created all physical things. He created Heaven, He created Angels, He created the universe.

without anyone to express LOVE TO, there is no love. A single person on a deserted island loves no person, nor does any person love them.

The above is heresy -- Jesus Christ is not a created being.

So you have tried what i said based on what? Scriptures or what you believe? You say it is Heresy, Does the Word of God say it is? Can you show one Scriptures that backs up your accusation? No, really. Yet you say it is Heresy, why? Scriptures does not prove it is heresy? but you seem to think it is. So then inform everyone the reason you think it is heresy. You say that Jesus Christ is not a created being, but i can show you plain Scriptures that plainly and clearly teach that the Father had begotten Jesus Christ. There are verses that plainly teach that Jesus is the SON of that Father in Heaven, Again the very word "Son" indicates created by a Parent. Jesus plainly and clearly teaches that He has a FATHER, which is greater than He is, and that all the power that Jesus had comes from His Father. Are you trying to tell me that Jesus created His own Father? What, that Son can create His own Father, really? You do error not believing Scriptures and what they plainly teach, but you choose to believe doctrines of men, who teach you that Jesus was not created, not born, not the firstborn, not begotten of the Father in Heaven. And you call what i teach heresy. lol.

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DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

You're continuing to make posts that are heretical, even now.

Now, put an end to your slander and false accusations against me.

Now you are accusing me of saying things against YOU. Really? Can you now show anywhere where i have accused YOU? No, but you say that i have, Why? If you say that i have falsely accused against you, but i have not done that thing, how is that not a lie from you? Is lying of God or of satan? If then you think i have falsely accused you, reveal where i have said anything against YOU. Or are you merely lying to be lying?

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DiscipleDave

 

[preacher4truth]

So you have tried what i said based on what? Scriptures or what you believe? You say it is Heresy, Does the Word of God say it is? Can you show one Scriptures that backs up your accusation? No, really. Yet you say it is Heresy, why? Scriptures does not prove it is heresy? but you seem to think it is. So then inform everyone the reason you think it is heresy. You say that Jesus Christ is not a created being, but i can show you plain Scriptures that plainly and clearly teach that the Father had begotten Jesus Christ. There are verses that plainly teach that Jesus is the SON of that Father in Heaven, Again the very word "Son" indicates created by a Parent. Jesus plainly and clearly teaches that He has a FATHER, which is greater than He is, and that all the power that Jesus had comes from His Father. Are you trying to tell me that Jesus created His own Father? What, that Son can create His own Father, really? You do error not believing Scriptures and what they plainly teach, but you choose to believe doctrines of men, who teach you that Jesus was not created, not born, not the firstborn, not begotten of the Father in Heaven. And you call what i teach heresy. lol.

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DiscipleDave

DD, you're not understanding the Scriptures. Don't take it personally, but what you are teaching is heresy.

Another thing, leave off the smug slander that I don't believe the Scriptures.

As I stated in the past, you do not receive correction on this teaching, no matter how many show you your error because according to you, you get your teaching directly from God in real time.

 

[preacher4truth]

Now you are accusing me of saying things against YOU. Really? Can you now show anywhere where i have accused YOU? No, but you say that i have, Why? If you say that i have falsely accused against you, but i have not done that thing, how is that not a lie from you? Is lying of God or of satan? If then you think i have falsely accused you, reveal where i have said anything against YOU. Or are you merely lying to be lying?

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DiscipleDave

So, you want me to show you where you've accused me (as if it doesn't exist) and then allude to the fact, in the same post mind you, that you called me a liar? Any honest person here can go back and see that you decided to slander me.

 

[DiscipleDave]

Jesus didn't "have a start". That's heresy.

Know you not that the Bible we have today is for Humans on the planet Earth, the Bible is not for the inhabitants of Heaven. The Bible is instructions to Humans that exist on the planet Earth. Before the Earth was created and the Kingdom of Heaven existed for eons times eons, the Bible was not created at all. The Bible was created for the inhabitants of the Earth, NOT for the inhabitants of Heaven. When the Bible says In the Beginning God created the Earth, do you think that is the Beginning of all life in the universe, all life in Heaven, you do error thinking just because the Bible written to humans on Earth that says beginning is the beginning of EVERYTHING Heaven included.

Jesus created the Earth AFTER Heaven had already existed for, well eternity. The Bible is solely for humans on planet Earth, when the Bible says in the beginning, it is talking about the time frame of the beginning of the human race on Earth, NOT the beginning of Heaven.

Scriptures teach that Jesus Christ was begotten of the Father, created by the Father, born of the Father.
You teach that Jesus Christ was NOT begotten (created) by the Father, that somehow Jesus created Himself, and He also created His Father which is far more superior than His own self. Who is teaching heresies?

i believe Scriptures that plainly teaches that Jesus is begotten (Created) by His Father, you teach that He wasn't. Who then is teaching heresy?

i believe that Jesus is the Son of the Father in Heaven. Son because the Father created Him, born Him. What? Do you think Jesus is above His own Father? Who sits to the right of whom? Does the Father sit to the right of Jesus on the Throne, or does Jesus the son sit to the right of the Father on the Throne? i teach what Scriptures reveal, do you not teach what men interpret Scriptures to mean?

Heresy is any teaching that is contrary to Scriptures. i teach that the Father created Jesus Christ. Scriptures teaches that also, by saying that Jesus was begotten of the Father. The mere fact that Jesus Himself testifies that His Father in Heaven is GREATER than He is, should also reveal to this generation that the Father is more powerful than the Son. Even Jesus Himself testifies to that statement that His Father gives Him all those powers that He had on Earth, Jesus Himself testifies that His Father is greater than Him. But let me say the same thing and you call that Heresy. Really?

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DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

Let us beginwith this truth, Jesus Christ is the Firstborn of the dead.

Firstborn of the dead HUMANS. Jesus Christ the first ever to rise from the Dead in a Glorified body. NOBODY that is human and has died on Earth has risen from the dead in the flesh, Jesus was the first one to do that, in that, that is TRUE. But Jesus being the firstborn of the dead of Humans, has nothing to do with, what was prior to the Earth ever being created.

Now let us refer to the Gospel of Joh, first chapter which says in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and theWord was God………...the Alpha and the Omega, with no beginning and no end.

Tell me, the beginning of what? Does this generation look at this verse and think, or interpret privately that the beginning referred to here is the beginning of EVERYTHING. Does it say the beginning of Everything? Does it say the beginning of Heaven? No, so why does this generation interpret this verse to mean the beginning of Everything. This generation does this with Genesis as well. It is written in the beginning, and this generation automatically assumes the beginning of EVERYTHING, even before Heaven. This generation does error in this belief. The Bible was written to and for Humans. When the Bible says in the Beginning God created the Earth, it was in the beginning of the creation of the Earth, NOT Heaven or the Universe.

Is it not written that the Law, (word) reveals what sin is. Do you think the Kingdom of Heaven was in need of the Word? Tell me, the Law that says Thou shalt not steal. Do you think that was known prior to the war in Heaven? There was no Law in Heaven, because there was no need for it, There was no law to not steal, when stealing was not even thought of in Heaven, until Lucifer desired to steal the Throne of God. ONLY when the war happened in Heaven was there a need for The Word. Because of the war in Heaven, Humans were created, and the Earth was created, and the Word began. So then in light of that Truth, when John said IN the beginning, he was talking about the beginning of the creation of Earth and the Bible(Word). NOT the creation of Heaven.

Try to remember, the Bible we have today is solely for humans on the Planet Earth, it is not for, or to, those in the Universe, the Kingdom of Heaven.

It is a mytery that no one truly understands, but all who believe Jesus believe this mystery.

Is God a revealer of secrets according to Scriptures. (Dan 2:47) God will reveal to whom God will reveal.

You may call Jesus , among other titles, Everlasting Father, God Almighty, Ruler of Peace, Wonderful, Counselor. I cannot explain the I Am That I am, but I believe Him......... Read Isaiah 9:6 for starters, it is a very good start....God bless you my brother.

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Was that written to Humans or all the inhabitants of the Universe (Heaven). To Humans ONLY was that written, to humans and for humans on the planet Earth ONLY.

i think a big part of misunderstanding Scriptures comes from the fact that people of this generation do not know or understand, that the Kingdom of Heaven existed for an eternity before the Earth was ever even thought of to be created. The Earth was created because God wanted to Test us all, Even as He tested Abraham to sacrifice his son. If you want to know what God told me concerning why we are all here, and why we are all being tested then click HERE.

May God Bless you and all those that you love and that love you. Love you.


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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

DD, you're not understanding the Scriptures.

And yet i am seeing no Scriptures that you provide to help me in my not understanding. Have you not any Scriptures to show me to help me to more understand what you are saying. Or is it easier to merely accuse that i don't understand without lifting a finger to help me to understand?

Don't take it personally, but what you are teaching is heresy.

How can i not take it personally if i am indeed teaching something that is heresy? That makes no sense to me. If i am teaching heresy i would like to know what that is, i would like to see Scriptures that proves that what i am teaching is heresy. How can i not take it personally if you accuse me of teaching heresy?

Another thing, leave off the smug slander that I don't believe the Scriptures.

Where have i said YOU, preacher4truth, does not believe Scriptures. i always use words like "IF" such as. IF you don't believe that Jesus was begotten of the Father then you don't believe Scriptures, this is in no way saying YOU DON"T BELIEVE, because i plainly and clearly say "IF" So if you would, could you stop accusing me of things that i did not do. Thanks.

As I stated in the past, you do not receive correction on this teaching, no matter how many show you your error because according to you, you get your teaching directly from God in real time.

And yet again, no Scriptures revealed to show the error of my ways, why is that?

So do you think, that if a hundred people tell me that i am wrong, that i should believe them because 100 people said i was wrong? Really? If i am wrong then show me Scriptures, ONLY then will i know that i am wrong. A million people from this generation can tell me that i am wrong, and that will not sway me one iota. But if one of those millions of people shows me a verse in Scriptures that proves that i am wrong, THAT i will believe, and change what i teach to reflect what Scriptures teach. But until then i will continue to teach what i know is TRUE. If you think i teach Heresy, you have that right, if you were Godly, you would try to show me relevant Scriptures to show me that my teaching is indeed Heresy, right? You and a million people can say with your mouths that i teach Heresy, but until you can show me one verse in the Inspired by God Scriptures that what i teach is heresy, i will continue to teach what i plainly testify comes from God.

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DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

So, you want me to show you where you've accused me (as if it doesn't exist) and then allude to the fact, in the same post mind you, that you called me a liar? Any honest person here can go back and see that you decided to slander me.

Brother i am asking in the name of Jesus Christ to reveal to me the post that i slandered you. Now we shall see.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[JaumeJ]

Firstborn of the dead HUMANS. Jesus Christ the first ever to rise from the Dead in a Glorified body. NOBODY that is human and has died on Earth has risen from the dead in the flesh, Jesus was the first one to do that, in that, that is TRUE. But Jesus being the firstborn of the dead of Humans, has nothing to do with, what was prior to the Earth ever being created.



Tell me, the beginning of what? Does this generation look at this verse and think, or interpret privately that the beginning referred to here is the beginning of EVERYTHING. Does it say the beginning of Everything? Does it say the beginning of Heaven? No, so why does this generation interpret this verse to mean the beginning of Everything. This generation does this with Genesis as well. It is written in the beginning, and this generation automatically assumes the beginning of EVERYTHING, even before Heaven. This generation does error in this belief. The Bible was written to and for Humans. When the Bible says in the Beginning God created the Earth, it was in the beginning of the creation of the Earth, NOT Heaven or the Universe.

Is it not written that the Law, (word) reveals what sin is. Do you think the Kingdom of Heaven was in need of the Word? Tell me, the Law that says Thou shalt not steal. Do you think that was known prior to the war in Heaven? There was no Law in Heaven, because there was no need for it, There was no law to not steal, when stealing was not even thought of in Heaven, until Lucifer desired to steal the Throne of God. ONLY when the war happened in Heaven was there a need for The Word. Because of the war in Heaven, Humans were created, and the Earth was created, and the Word began. So then in light of that Truth, when John said IN the beginning, he was talking about the beginning of the creation of Earth and the Bible(Word). NOT the creation of Heaven.

Try to remember, the Bible we have today is solely for humans on the Planet Earth, it is not for, or to, those in the Universe, the Kingdom of Heaven.



Is God a revealer of secrets according to Scriptures. (Dan 2:47) God will reveal to whom God will reveal.



Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Was that written to Humans or all the inhabitants of the Universe (Heaven). To Humans ONLY was that written, to humans and for humans on the planet Earth ONLY.

i think a big part of misunderstanding Scriptures comes from the fact that people of this generation do not know or understand, that the Kingdom of Heaven existed for an eternity before the Earth was ever even thought of to be created. The Earth was created because God wanted to Test us all, Even as He tested Abraham to sacrifice his son. If you want to know what God told me concerning why we are all here, and why we are all being tested then click HERE.

May God Bless you and all those that you love and that love you. Love you.


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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

I cannot argue if your mind is set on what you think….there was Lazarus, raised from the Dead, howeer h did die again......but this is vanity as per true and faithful discussion. God bless you.