The Dangers of Being Unreasonable

[JaumeJ]

There is grave danger circulating in the various representations of the Body of Yeshua, Jesus. That danger is the condemnation emanating from varied sources of the people frequenting our Forum. These are folks who are too busy finding fault with various denominations to discuss the Bible; you know, the subject of this particular forum.

My own view is that all denominations are in at least some error by virtue of their needing to be separated from each other. Also, they must not be in complete agreement with the entire Word, or they would be mentioned in the Word. None of this takes away from our being family in Yeshua, Jesus. As long as our salvation is based on the Cross, the free gift of grace, and His gospel, none of the unimportant distinctions will or can take us out of His hands.

My own approach, I believe given to me when I was brought to Yeshua by the Holy Spirit, is that all anyone needs is to read the Word, believe Yeshua, Jesus, and trust only God while worshipping Him. If a person is a Baptist, Pentacostal, Lutheran, even a Catholic, etc. and he practices these very basic ways to the Kingdom, he is family, and he represents Yeshua, Jesus on earth.

Now, before closing, may I repeat for the umpteenth time. I love to call Jesus Yeshua. Even this is not a complete translatiion of His name to English, it is the transliteration to English from Hebrew, or the English equivilent of the pronunciation of the Hebrew name. It actually should be Salvation were it translated completely. This is what the angel said to name Him when he announced to Mary, you shall call His name Salvation, for He will save His people. That is not too difficult to understand, now, is it? So now, when you call Him Jesus, though you always knew He is your salvation, you now know His hame is Salvation, and this is mighty and wonderful. Praise our Savior, amen.

Stay away from the condemners and stay with the Holy Body, those peculiar people, holy and separate from the world. Hallelujah, amen.

 

[didymos]

(...) I love to call Jesus Yeshua. Even this is not a complete translatiion of His name to English, it is the transliteration to English from Hebrew, or the English equivilent of the pronunciation of the Hebrew name. It actually should be Salvation were it translated completely. This is what the angel said to name Him when he announced to Mary (...)

Then maybe you should call her by her original hebrew name too: Miriam.

 

[zone]

There is grave danger circulating in the various representations of the Body of Yeshua, Jesus. That danger is the condemnation emanating from varied sources of the people frequenting our Forum. These are folks who are too busy finding fault with various denominations to discuss the Bible; you know, the subject of this particular forum.

My own view is that all denominations are in at least some error by virtue of their needing to be separated from each other. Also, they must not be in complete agreement with the entire Word, or they would be mentioned in the Word. None of this takes away from our being family in Yeshua, Jesus. As long as our salvation is based on the Cross, the free gift of grace, and His gospel, none of the unimportant distinctions will or can take us out of His hands.

My own approach, I believe given to me when I was brought to Yeshua by the Holy Spirit, is that all anyone needs is to read the Word, believe Yeshua, Jesus, and trust only God while worshipping Him. If a person is a Baptist, Pentacostal, Lutheran, even a Catholic, etc. and he practices these very basic ways to the Kingdom, he is family, and he represents Yeshua, Jesus on earth.

Now, before closing, may I repeat for the umpteenth time. I love to call Jesus Yeshua. Even this is not a complete translatiion of His name to English, it is the transliteration to English from Hebrew, or the English equivilent of the pronunciation of the Hebrew name. It actually should be Salvation were it translated completely. This is what the angel said to name Him when he announced to Mary, you shall call His name Salvation, for He will save His people. That is not too difficult to understand, now, is it? So now, when you call Him Jesus, though you always knew He is your salvation, you now know His hame is Salvation, and this is mighty and wonderful. Praise our Savior, amen.

Stay away from the condemners and stay with the Holy Body, those peculiar people, holy and separate from the world. Hallelujah, amen.

Jack
now that you've brought up and resolved the issue of denominations, and why you like to call Jesus Yeshua,
what would you like to discuss RE: the Bible?

concerning the Bible and Yeshua's Body....i have a question (that hopefully relates to the topic of reasoning and being reasonable):



was the Promise of being made an habitation of God (the Church)....ever promised to and realized by Israel?

 

[JaumeJ]

If I offend you by having the approach given to me by the Father, please forgive that.

Yes, I have heard Mary called Miriam, and I read it in my Hebrew study. If you paid any attention to the post you reply to, you will see, and perhaps understand, my calling Jesus Yeshua is my choice, while I totally understand all who are saved and call Him by any other version of His name are family in Yeshua.

This is true with the other names in the Word. Please allow me the same liberty I have allowed all.

May Yahweh bless you always in Yeshua, amen.

Then maybe you should call her by her original hebrew name too: Miriam.

 

[p_rehbein]

Jack
now that you've brought up and resolved the issue of denominations, and why you like to call Jesus Yeshua,
what would you like to discuss RE: the Bible?

concerning the Bible and Yeshua's Body....i have a question (that hopefully relates to the topic of reasoning and being reasonable):



was the Promise of being made an habitation of God (the Church)....ever promised to and realized by Israel?

Good question(s) Brother Zone........Jesus said......"to the Jew first, then the Gentiles....." on more than one occasion. Salvation/Jesus came to the Jew first, so this would indicate to me that those Jews who believed in Jesus certainly became part of the One Body. Now, Israel as a Nation? Well that would fall under the 1st Covenant in my opinion, and again in my opinion, under the 1st Covenant God's people were surely a Nation, however, under the New Covenant, God's people are the Church.

 

[JaumeJ]

You have said it well. Our Savior teaches this in so many manners. I suppose so more would understand either reading it in one part of the gospels or another. Here below is more on the same.


　
While our Lord was with us in this age, His intent was directed only to the lost sheep of the House of Israel, though He did speak to some Gentiles.


Mat 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

Mat 10:6
But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.


Mat 10:7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Here our Lord tells us He lays down His life for the sheep who know Him, that being those who were hearing Him, the House of Israel. He goes on to tell us He has other sheep, Gentiles everywhere, who will be brought to the original fold, making the two ONE.


Joh 10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

Joh 10:15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.


Joh 10:16
And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Good question(s) Brother Zone........Jesus said......"to the Jew first, then the Gentiles....." on more than one occasion. Salvation/Jesus came to the Jew first, so this would indicate to me that those Jews who believed in Jesus certainly became part of the One Body. Now, Israel as a Nation? Well that would fall under the 1st Covenant in my opinion, and again in my opinion, under the 1st Covenant God's people were surely a Nation, however, under the New Covenant, God's people are the Church.

 

[zone]

Good question(s) Brother Zone........Jesus said......"to the Jew first, then the Gentiles....." on more than one occasion. Salvation/Jesus came to the Jew first, so this would indicate to me that those Jews who believed in Jesus certainly became part of the One Body. Now, Israel as a Nation? Well that would fall under the 1st Covenant in my opinion, and again in my opinion, under the 1st Covenant God's people were surely a Nation, however, under the New Covenant, God's people are the Church.

zone

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[JaumeJ]

It has been brought to my attention that there are some who believe the OP is not about the Bible. It seems the OP is not understood by these folks, not at all. Please, re-examine the OP. If you yet do not see the relationship to the Word, it is a big disappointment.

There is grave danger circulating in the various representations of the Body of Yeshua, Jesus. That danger is the condemnation emanating from varied sources of the people frequenting our Forum. These are folks who are too busy finding fault with various denominations to discuss the Bible; you know, the subject of this particular forum.

My own view is that all denominations are in at least some error by virtue of their needing to be separated from each other. Also, they must not be in complete agreement with the entire Word, or they would be mentioned in the Word. None of this takes away from our being family in Yeshua, Jesus. As long as our salvation is based on the Cross, the free gift of grace, and His gospel, none of the unimportant distinctions will or can take us out of His hands.

My own approach, I believe given to me when I was brought to Yeshua by the Holy Spirit, is that all anyone needs is to read the Word, believe Yeshua, Jesus, and trust only God while worshipping Him. If a person is a Baptist, Pentacostal, Lutheran, even a Catholic, etc. and he practices these very basic ways to the Kingdom, he is family, and he represents Yeshua, Jesus on earth.

Now, before closing, may I repeat for the umpteenth time. I love to call Jesus Yeshua. Even this is not a complete translatiion of His name to English, it is the transliteration to English from Hebrew, or the English equivilent of the pronunciation of the Hebrew name. It actually should be Salvation were it translated completely. This is what the angel said to name Him when he announced to Mary, you shall call His name Salvation, for He will save His people. That is not too difficult to understand, now, is it? So now, when you call Him Jesus, though you always knew He is your salvation, you now know His hame is Salvation, and this is mighty and wonderful. Praise our Savior, amen.

Stay away from the condemners and stay with the Holy Body, those peculiar people, holy and separate from the world. Hallelujah, amen.

 

[nathan3]

I agree with you what you said there. I just want to say, even though Salvation is given upon belief on Him and repentance of our sins. It did cost some one something, that is His life. Just adding that in. But I like your post .

Your Right also, we should be studying the Bible, not each and every others faults. That means not attacking each and every single denomination you dont agree with. You will never see me not once attack or mention in passing some other fellow Christians denomination. I wont even attack some ones denomination that is attacking my church, as confused as their church may be making people, I wont throw around discord.


I like to stay talking about God's word all the time. If people dont aline to the word, then the word its self will call them out.

 

[p_rehbein]

zone

- notice pink letters

HEY..........you changed your Avatar.........I almost didn't know who you wuz........

 

[tdrew777]

Zone has a good point. God had a tabernacle, where He ws pleased to dwell, in the midst the nation of Israel. He established a meeting place where the people could come and interact, for divine worship. This seems to be a type and a shadow of the promise given to the church, that He would dwell with each one of us individually. With the sacrifice of Jesus, Yeshua, once for all, the old nature is no longer an offensive barrier to fellowship with God. And the new nature, which is Christ, Messiah, Himself in us, maintains that the inner man of every believer is a tabernacle, a place where God is pleased to dwell.

 

[JaumeJ]

When we keep in our conscious mind what the translation of Jesus and Yeshua is fully, it has even more impact. They mean, quite literally, Salvation.

In Isaiah our Father says the walls and the bulwarks of the city will be called Salvation. We pray in the name, Salvation. Carrying this further, Messiah, Mashiach, Christ, means Anointed.

Another lovely and amazing name to keep in mind is David, for David means Beloved. When we think of the throne of David, and it is fully translated it is the throne of the Beloved.

One need not be a linquist to understand certain names and words may be translated into English, fully translated, not just sounded out from their original language.

If we are in Jesus or Yeshua, we are in Salvation. We pray in the name of Salvation. Remember the word for name, in Hebrew just as in English, may also be defined as reputation, fame, renown and more.

Long before learning these and more, the inclination of understanding was already set in my heart and soul by the Holy Spirit, as I believe in heart and soul, this understanding is in the hearts and souls of all who love Salvation, that is, Yeshua.

It is not important to know Hebrew, however in my own case, I love languages. I know if one is taught by the Holy Spirit, and it is Yahweh's will, one will learn the entire gospel from a cook book. God's ways are truly mysterious and glorious. He comes to each of us as each requires.

Thank you for your posting your insight. Yahweh bless you always in Salvation, amen.

 

[didymos]

If I offend you by having the approach given to me by the Father, please forgive that.

Yes, I have heard Mary called Miriam, and I read it in my Hebrew study. If you paid any attention to the post you reply to, you will see, and perhaps understand, my calling Jesus Yeshua is my choice, while I totally understand all who are saved and call Him by any other version of His name are family in Yeshua.

This is true with the other names in the Word. Please allow me the same liberty I have allowed all.

May Yahweh bless you always in Yeshua, amen.

You don't really offend me with your posts, and you may call Jesus whatever you like.., hey it's a free country. But if you want to call Him 'Yeshua,' I think you should call ALL biblical characters by their hebrew name, for consistency's sake. Now I'm dutch, and I call Jesus 'Jezus' and Yahweh (or Yehovah or w/e) 'HEER,' because those are the names by which I came to know them. But I don't use those names at the forums, because that would create too much confusion. Both in chat and the forums the predominant language is english (it's even in the rules), but if you want to continue the conversation in (biblical) hebrew, and no one objects to it, that's fine by me.

 

[Brother_Don]

thanks for the OP, i really want to give our Lord the respect and honor He deserves. Our Salvation Lives, Praise God.

 

[JaumeJ]

You don't really offend me with your posts, and you may call Jesus whatever you like.., hey it's a free country. But if you want to call Him 'Yeshua,' I think you should call ALL biblical characters by their hebrew name, for consistency's sake. Now I'm dutch, and I call Jesus 'Jezus' and Yahweh (or Yehovah or w/e) 'HEER,' because those are the names by which I came to know them. But I don't use those names at the forums, because that would create too much confusion. Both in chat and the forums the predominant language is english (it's even in the rules), but if you want to continue the conversation in (biblical) hebrew, and no one objects to it, that's fine by me.

Please do not be upset with me for knowing the transliteration of the Hebrew name of our Lord. It should not offend anyone.

Again, if we all were to call Him by His name in English, we would call Him Salvation.

As for what I call Him and the folks in the Word, I will always do just as you do, call them by the name I am most understood using.

One reason I like to use the name, Yeshua, is quite practical. It is to instigate learning more about our Lord. From there others may become avid enough to seek the meains of not quite translated words and names. When this is done, much is revealed, and it is quite edifying and wonderful. Also it can only give glory to Yahweh.........Self-Existing if you prefer.

Here is an example, Jew, Judah, Yahuda............praiser of Yah...... Does this not tell you who are what? Anytime we use the word, Jew, we are saying the shortened name of Yah. Yahudah, praiser of Yah. It is all too wonderful and enlightening for me to ignore. It is God's Word, amen.

 

[didymos]

Please do not be upset with me for knowing the transliteration of the Hebrew name of our Lord.
(...)

You would be the first one.

 

[JaumeJ]

ישוע with diacriticals is pronounced Yeshua in Hebrew. This is the accent I use. It means Salvation. The Hebrew language is a revived langauge, and many words are yet to be known with certainty to be correct, however the word, Salvation, I know, and millions do indeed know how to pronounce it. The angel told Mary to name the Child Salvation because He was to save His people.

Are you saying no one knows how to say Salvation in Hebrew? This popular and anti-Hebrew teaching circulating that no one knows how to pronounce the name is not from knowing, it stems from not knowing.

Now, it does not take a prophet of the Most High God to see that you do not like ME, or what I have to say, so in order to spare you further with my interaction, it seems the only noble course of action would be for us to put each other on ignore. I am willing to do my part.

May Yahweh bless you and bring you fully into His light, amen.

Yahweh is the gerund form of to be, with transitive action. In other words Yahweh wills to be, or He is the Self-Existing. No creature is capable of using this gerund in truth by reason it has been created, and it cannot self-exist. There are accents in the pronouncing of Yahweh also. While speaking English keep in mind according o M. Webster, there is no correct pronunciation of a proper noun, rather accepted ones with the primary, secondary, tertiary etc. pronuncations all perfectly acceptable.

 

[didymos]

The tetragrammaton cannot be pronounced, and since biblical times the jews themselves have refused to pronounce it. But you go right ahead. My comments are technical in nature, it's not that I don't like you, in fact I love you in CHRIST JESUS. Amen.

 

[JaumeJ]

Tetragammaton is a label put on the Hebrew gerund. It is from the verb Hayah which is used throughout the Word and in speaking Hebrew today. The manner of forming a gerund is very basic in all languages, and, yes, it can be pronounced. Yahweh's fame, reputation, renown, and name is to be declared among the nations. How may this be acheived without saying it?

It is written throughout the Old Testament that Yahweh is our Savior, yet we know Yeshua is our Savior. In Hebrew Yeshua is used in the Old Testament in most instances of this word being utilized.

How can this be, Yahweh is One? The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Yeshua is Salvation. Yahweh is our Salvation. We are drawn to Salvation by the Father. No man can know Yeshua, Salvation, unless the Father draws him to Him.

We now live in Salvation, and we actually form part of Salvation, for we are members of His Body, but He is first and foremost the Head. One Day, His Day, we will all be just like He is. We will not be He, for it is enough to be as He is.

The more one understands what Jesus was understood to be called, and how the Father was called many times in the Word, we get a slightly clearer understanding of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirt being One, and our becoming joined to them in the Holy Spirit.

No man will ever comprehend all of this mystery while yet in the flesh, but what we are allowed to know is glorious, and only lends to the wonder and greatness of our Father.

Blessed be Yahweh now and forever in Yeshua. May Yahweh bless you and hold you close now and forever in His Salvation, amen.

The tetragrammaton cannot be pronounced, and since biblical times the jews themselves have refused to pronounce it. But you go right ahead. My comments are technical in nature, it's not that I don't like you, in fact I love you in CHRIST JESUS. Amen.

 

[didymos]

Just because you pronounce it doesn't mean means it can be pronounced. They put in the vowels of the word 'Adonai' (Lord) to form the word 'Yawheh' but as such that word cannot be pronounced, trust me. How can His name be declared? Well, by calling Him 'Lord,' (Adonai) like the jews themselves do. I don't see the extra value of either calling the Lord 'Yawheh' a/o Jesus 'Yeshua.' Frankly I believe it's just a way to overcomplicate things. It's not productive. But again, you go right ahead.