The Dangers of the Hebrew Roots Messianic Movement

[Hoffco]

To Kohen, Chbbena, andRed tent. you are not speaking from the Holy Spirit, it is a different spirit you speak in. Please if you don't like this thread, stay off or be kind and not so rude. I may not like every word i hear, but I will be more kind to bring up a difference ,in due time. BUT, if you can not see the demons in this H.R.M. ; you need to get alone with the Bible and get grounded in the 66 books of the Bible. It is very obvious to the N.T. teaching that althought Jesus keep all the O.T. laws while He walked this earth, He then instructed the Apostles to bring out the changes in the N.T. which He introduced to them while He was with them. Jesus will obviously be eating pork at the marriage supper of the lamb and in the New Earth. If any of you don't like that , you are not of the N.T. Faith and are still lost in you sins. Sorry, we need to draw the line against heresy. This is my opinion and I will die for it.! Love to all. Hoffco

 

[Bryancampbell]

If the messianic movement believe that they are another sect of Judaism that holds to some degree of the NT, but doesn't consider themselves Christian, then what in the world do they believe the book of Hebrews is all about?...mmm

 

[Praus]

Yeah, agreed - thank you Praus. I think I have a friend involved in (or at least attending the meetings for) a similar cult. When he mentioned it one time, I just thought it was another of those weird churches that seem to be popping up everywhere. Now I know it is a cult, I will be able to speak to him about its evils when next we speak.

They lost the original intent, from the 1960s, which was lead Jewish people to Jesus Christ. If someone keeps Sabbath or keeps kosher before they accept Jesus and then continues after, then that's a completely different issue.

Nowaday the majority (about 80%) of HRM/messianics are gentiles adopting Sabbath keeping because they favor the opinions of messianic teachers over the the Apostle Paul.

 

[jimmydiggs]

Praus,

Do you realize you've created 4 Anti-"Hebrew Roots/Messianic/Torah-keeper" threads in the last 2 days alone? I completely respect your disagreement and hesitancy with this topic, but you might prayerfully consider moving on to some other area of the Kingdom of God instead of continuing to criticize one particular group.

If you still feel so strongly that you need to keep talking about it, might I suggest sticking to just 1 thread on the subject?

Respectfully,
Matt

What bugs me is people willing to criticize others, but are unwilling to receive any themselves. I go into the forum battles equipped and expect to use both my sword and my sheild. Do you use both?

 

[Praus]

I think you're taking the name Kohen way, way too seriously then.

Sorry, I'm not following you.

It's a Hebrew joke. It's really sad that the OP of this thread can make a Hebrew pun and the Hebrew roots people don't detect it.

 

[jimmydiggs]

This entire subject borders on disgusting. At least no one is telling others not to believe in Christ, but what you are saying is almost as bad! You speak against what God tells us in scripture, and just as the demons do, you use scripture to say not to listen to scripture.

This is a movement to listen to all scripture equally for our spiritual training. They say that all scripture is from God, it all says the same thing. So when you gossip about how terrible these people are, it is saying some things in the bible shouldn't be listened to. It is not right to oppose God.

Hebrew Roots generally, as Messianic Judaism tends toward as well, tends to end in looking to the law for salvation.

 

[Apostol2013]

To Praus, thanks for making this info. available to us. I was not aware of this H.R.M. group. we must also be aware of the "cultic" teachings of the Fundamentals Bible movements of the last 100 + yrs. Charles Surgeon and others fought it for centuries. The "faith only" Justification by faith alone, God is good-all the time, as Chuck Swindol and others from most all of the Fund. Seminaries in the world teach today is very "cultic". . Friends of Israel, Jesus for Jesus, Zion Fire OR Glory headed up by Marvin Rosinsal ? ; what do you think of these three groups. They are very Fundamental and also caught up in the cultic teachings ,which I mentioned above: BUT are not radially wrong as the H.R.M. which you described. Love to aall Hoffco

Martin luther thought he was higher than God and the apostles and spoke against the book.of.James just like all the faith alone but faith without works is dead

 

[Apostol2013]

23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, says the LORD. 16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will strike the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD's house shall be like the bowls before the altar.

21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.

 

[Praus]

Let it go, it will die

In fact it's escalating -> http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...h-missions-messianic-judaism.html#post1240761



just-me, do you think we're so dumb to believe that the Holy Spirit led you to bear false witness against Linda70 and myself?

Exod 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

Deut 5:20 Neither shalt thou bear false witness against thy neighbour.

Rom 13:8-9 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if [there be] any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

 

[Married_Richenbrachen]

In fact it's escalating

Agreed Praus. False doctrines need to be exposed and expunged. If the Apostles and early disciples had just let heresies go, believing they would die of their own accord, we likely wouldn't have a church today.

And we probably wouldn't have much of a New Testament, either.

 

[Elin]

so I wonder what we will eat at the Marriage Supper?

Lamb, of course.

Rev 19:9 Then he said to me, "Write: 'Blessed are those who are called to the marriage supper of the Lamb!' " And he said to me, "These are the true sayings of God."

 

[danschance]

This entire subject borders on disgusting. At least no one is telling others not to believe in Christ, but what you are saying is almost as bad! You speak against what God tells us in scripture, and just as the demons do, you use scripture to say not to listen to scripture.

This is a movement to listen to all scripture equally for our spiritual training. They say that all scripture is from God, it all says the same thing. So when you gossip about how terrible these people are, it is saying some things in the bible shouldn't be listened to. It is not right to oppose God.

Pure and simple, Christianity is not Judaism and the two can not be blended into one. Either you are a Christian or you are not.

 

[Apostol2013]

lets look at propper christ doctrine to live by faith yes but faith in jesus christ who came to testify of the spirit concevived of the spirit and resurected of the Spirit and came to baptize of the Spirit and the Law of righteousness does he uphold the righteousness of the Spirit (rom 8:2 , psalms45:6-7 )

 

[Angela53510]

It's a Hebrew joke. It's really sad that the OP of this thread can make a Hebrew pun and the Hebrew roots people don't detect it.

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Nice quote from Brown-Driver-Briggs. I have it on-line, I wonder why I never use it here?

As for Aramaic, it was Daniel and Ezra, and a few verses elsewhere.

Biblical Hebrew is the main language of the Hebrew Bible. Aramaic only accounts for about 250 verses out of a total of over 23,000. Biblical Aramaic is closely related to Hebrew as both are in the Northwest Semitic language family. Some obvious similarities and differences are listed below

Biblical Aramaic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[h=2]Aramaic[/h]Aramaic is a close cognate language (actually a group of Semitic dialects) of Hebrew. The oldest extra-biblical example may be the Melqart Stele (ninth centuryB.C.) which mentions the warfare between Ben-hadad of Syria and Israel.
Though Hebrew remained the “sacred” tongue of the Jews, they, like others in the Middle East, began using vernacular Aramaic for everyday conversation and writing sometime after the sixth century B.C. In the first century A.D., Aramaic, in one dialect or another, was the common daily tongue of the Palestinian Jews, though it is probable that many Jews also spoke Hebrew and Greek.
In the New Testament a number of Aramaic expressions are transliterated into Greek (e.g., Talitha qumi [“Maiden, arise!”; Mark 5:41] and Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani, [“My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?”; Mark 15:34]). In the New Testament epistles, there are several Aramaic words such as Abba (Galatians 4:6) and Maranatha (1 Corinthians 16:22).
Some minor portions of the Old Testament were penned in Aramaic (Ezra 4:8-6:18; 7:12-26; Jeremiah 10:11; Daniel 2:46-7:28; and two words in Genesis 31:47).

https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/200-languages-of-the-bible

 

[zone]

Pure and simple, Christianity is not Judaism and the two can not be blended into one. Either you are a Christian or you are not.

You cannot give Reputation to the same post twice.

 

[jimmydiggs]

You cannot give Reputation to the same post twice.

Isn't that the lamest thing ever.

 

[zone]

Isn't that the lamest thing ever.

Pure and simple, Christianity is not Judaism and the two can not be blended into one. Either you are a Christian or you are not.

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some are worth it.

 

[RedTent]

To Kohen, Chbbena, andRed tent. you are not speaking from the Holy Spirit, it is a different spirit you speak in. Please if you don't like this thread, stay off or be kind and not so rude. I may not like every word i hear, but I will be more kind to bring up a difference ,in due time. BUT, if you can not see the demons in this H.R.M. ; you need to get alone with the Bible and get grounded in the 66 books of the Bible. It is very obvious to the N.T. teaching that althought Jesus keep all the O.T. laws while He walked this earth, He then instructed the Apostles to bring out the changes in the N.T. which He introduced to them while He was with them. Jesus will obviously be eating pork at the marriage supper of the lamb and in the New Earth. If any of you don't like that , you are not of the N.T. Faith and are still lost in you sins. Sorry, we need to draw the line against heresy. This is my opinion and I will die for it.! Love to all. Hoffco

When you, Hoffco, speak against learning all of the bible, how can you say you are speaking by the HS? When we say we must understand what God the Father (the triune God) has to say in all scripture, and you say that is not of God, how can you justify yourself?

To God it isn't NT and OT, that is man made. It is scripture. You talk of eating pork, and say you have preknowledge of Jesus eating pork at the marriage supper!!!!! The new movement towards learning of what OT is about says that we need to understand why God gave instructions about food. We need to understand why, when, and how it was that Paul said it wasn't necessary. We remember the scripture that it isn't what goes in our mouths, but something much more. I think your judgments on the people who learn these things WILL cause your death.

 

[zone]

When you, Hoffco, speak against learning all of the bible, how can you say you are speaking by the HS? When we say we must understand what God the Father (the triune God) has to say in all scripture, and you say that is not of God, how can you justify yourself?

To God it isn't NT and OT, that is man made. It is scripture. You talk of eating pork, and say you have preknowledge of Jesus eating pork at the marriage supper!!!!! The new movement towards learning of what OT is about says that we need to understand why God gave instructions about food. We need to understand why, when, and how it was that Paul said it wasn't necessary. We remember the scripture that it isn't what goes in our mouths, but something much more. I think your judgments on the people who learn these things WILL cause your death.

wow.....hmmm......

 

[Abiding]

When you, Hoffco, speak against learning all of the bible, how can you say you are speaking by the HS? When we say we must understand what God the Father (the triune God) has to say in all scripture, and you say that is not of God, how can you justify yourself?

To God it isn't NT and OT, that is man made. It is scripture. You talk of eating pork, and say you have preknowledge of Jesus eating pork at the marriage supper!!!!! The new movement towards learning of what OT is about says that we need to understand why God gave instructions about food. We need to understand why, when, and how it was that Paul said it wasn't necessary. We remember the scripture that it isn't what goes in our mouths, but something much more. I think your judgments on the people who learn these things WILL cause your death.

hmmmm.brb