The Dangers of the Hebrew Roots Messianic Movement

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Praus

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We need to understand why, when, and how it was that Paul said it wasn't necessary.
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Lev 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you on the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood by reason of the life that makes atonement.’ (NASB)

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We remember the scripture that it isn't what goes in our mouths, but something much more.
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Heb 4:12 For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart. (NASB)

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I think your judgments on the people who learn these things WILL cause your death.
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I wasn't aware that you are a prophetess.

1 Cor 14:37 If anyone thinks he is a prophet or spiritual, let him recognize that the things which I write to you are the Lord’s commandment. (NASB)

 
Apostol2013

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I am a hebrew israelite by decendency of bloodline but I am a disciple of the Lord Yahshuah hamashiach known in english as jesus christ our Lord and saviour now faith without works is dead but not the works of the law as written in the law of moshe but the righteous works of the law of the spirit but the law of moshe was the schoolmaster till yahshuah came and fullfilled itin supreme righteousness holiness that the law was magnified and made honourable but with the cornerstone that is Yashuah to be glorified for He is ELOHIM manifested in the flesh . isaiah 16:5 And in mercy shall the throne be established: and he shall sit upon it in truth in the tabernacle of David, judging, and seeking judgment, and hasting righteousness.
 
Apostol2013

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Instead of judgements or words of condemnation as it is against what christ stood for just maybe proclaim the truth that is how we will live providing christ is the grace given and His truth upheld for the law came through moses but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ (kjv)
 
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I have a talit and I do on occasion attend a seder, but I am not a jew. I am proudly a Christian. It is deadly to mix Christianity with any other religion and that includes Judaism. If you obey any Jewish law, as a law then Jesus died in vain for you and the cross is of no benefit to you at all.
 
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now again let us not offend one another but be in coherent in the right spirit standing steadfast in the gospel for all will face judgement unless with christ it is not sin to attend a feast or celebration but to sin or to think that the law will save you that is sin because the only reason of salvation is the grace of jesus christ and his fruits of everlasting life in the spirit......
 
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now again let us not offend one another but be in coherent in the right spirit standing steadfast in the gospel for all will face judgement unless with christ it is not sin to attend a feast or celebration but to sin or to think that the law will save you that is sin because the only reason of salvation is the grace of jesus christ and his fruits of everlasting life in the spirit......
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It is what the NT calls will-worship, worshipping God according to our own ordinances, rather than according to the ones he has authorized, which are now the Lord's Supper, baptism, anointing with oil and laying on of hands.
 
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He's white. Didn't you know, all the israelites were white europeans?
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Ephraimites or Ephra I am nots?

Cleveland Jewish News/October 17, 2005
By Stephanie Garber

Imagine the outrage if a practicing Jew were to don a Roman collar, assume the title “priest,” and open his own “Catholic church,” interpreting its holidays and symbols however he liked, says Rabbi Tovia Singer, talk-show host, and founder and national director of Outreach Judaism.

But that is exactly what “Hebraic Roots” adherents (also known as “Israelites” or “Ephraimites,” among other names) do. These groups are led by self-taught individuals who use the title “rabbi” and/or “congregational leader,” as well as “synagogue” (complete with Hebrew names like Beth HaKavod) for their churches.

These gentiles in Jewish clothing actually claim to be the “true Israelites” n direct, biological descendants of the lost tribe of Ephraim. Of course there are no DNA or blood tests to confirm this unsubstantiated claim.

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Will the real rabbi please stand up?

“Anyone can invent his own religion,” says Tovia Singer, founder and director of Outreach Judaism. “But the reason these movements are dangerous is that they don’t respect boundaries. They are not Jewish at all, and (its leaders and adherents) have no rabbinic background whatsoever; they are simply playing with Jewish beliefs and rituals.”

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“The parameters of Jewish identity exclusively and historically lay within the Jewish community,” says cult expert Rick Ross. “Unless you recognize the parameters of a religion’s identity, you are going down a slippery slope and opening the doors to anything and everything, such as Catholics for Krishna, Mormons for Mohammed, Baptists for Buddha.”

Ephraimites or Ephra I am nots?
 
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Hebraic Roots Network, founded in August 2011, is a consortium of like minded ministries dedicated to bringing solid Biblical teaching to the world.We present the Scriptures from a Hebrew perspective allowing the viewer to gain deeper understanding through applied context.

The teachers on HRN are time tested, people of good character, who have given their lives to bring forth a clearer understanding of the Word to people across the globe.

At this hour it is critical that the Hebraic Roots teachers stand together demonstrating unity, not uniformity, to the millions of Believers awakening to their lost heritage.

About Us | The Hebraic Roots Network

Eddie Chumney is the founder of Hebraic Heritage Ministries Int'l. Eddie is a leading national and international speaker on the Hebraic Roots of Christianity. He is recognized as one of the most brilliant scholars in Hebraic studies you will ever hear. He inspires and motivates believers to more intense and devoted study of the Word of God like few men can do.

Eddie was raised in traditional Sunday Protestant churches since the age of 5. When he was 16, God put a desire in his heart to study Bible prophecy and the end of days. Originally, he studied Bible prophecy from a traditional evangelical point of view in the late 1970's and early 1980's.

In 1989, Eddie began to study the Biblical Festivals. This began his journey on studying the Hebraic roots of Christianity. In 1994, Eddie learned how it is the redemptive plan of the God of Israel to gather and unite the 12 tribes of Israel in the end of days.

From his studies, the God of Israel put upon Eddie's heart to start Hebraic Heritage Ministries Int'l in 1995. After learning about the Biblical Festivals and the two houses of Israel, Eddie began to learn and teach Bible prophecy from a Hebraic point of view.

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and i am not ashamed to be called Christian.
 
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Praus said:
Yes!

Lev 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you on the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood by reason of the life that makes atonement.’ (NASB)



Yes!
Heb 4:12 For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart. (NASB)



I wasn't aware that you are a prophetess.

1 Cor 14:37 If anyone thinks he is a prophet or spiritual, let him recognize that the things which I write to you are the Lord’s commandment. (NASB)
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That is just finding ways to argue and fight, you know I am looking to what the bible says kills, like judging others and discounting God.

You have said that you condemn people for studying the word, and quote pigs in your condemnation. Yet in this post you say that it is right to study about pigs.
 
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zone said:
Imagine the outrage if a practicing Jew were to don a Roman collar, assume the title “priest,” and open his own “Catholic church,” interpreting its holidays and symbols however he liked, says Rabbi Tovia Singer, talk-show host, and founder and national director of Outreach Judaism.
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I can only imagine that happening on Saturday Night Live. Yet the Rood fella actually has something called Sabbath Night Live. I guess it's really all about comedy.
 
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=danschance;1242274]I have a talit and I do on occasion attend a seder, but I am not a jew. I am proudly a Christian. It is deadly to mix Christianity with any other religion and that includes Judaism. If you obey any Jewish law, as a law then Jesus died in vain for you and the cross is of no benefit to you at all.
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[I don't think it is wrong for you to have a tallit, or attend a seder. I think it is wrong for you to say if you obey Jewish law it is wrong. It isn't always denying Christ, for some it is a daily reminder of Christ. What is wrong is using symbols of Christ and His instructions for our living instead of actually living them. And it is definitely wrong when posters wrongly accuse and judge people for studying God's word.

When scripture explains that Christ made a change when He came in the flesh, He did not wipe out all the way God created the world to operate. That is what the OT is about, and we are to learn it, even to learn what the symbols meant, even the symbols of Christ.

Before Christ, all the gentiles did not recognize God. Most of the Hebrews had a limited understanding of Him. Gentiles who understood about God usually ritually became Jews. Today, most Christians get God and Jews mixed up.

Scripture says that the crucifixion changed things, it would be wrong to not listen to those changes. God gave instructions to use the blood of animals to symbolize Christ's blood, even though most of the Hebrews didn't understand that. It would be wrong for us to use the blood of animals, it would be denying the blood of Christ. God gave food laws as a symbol of being pure, as not eating animals who ate refuse. It would be wrong to use the symbols rather than the instructions for purity. There is nothing in this new movement to study the OT that says not to study and listen to the NT.

The new movement to learn and understand more of the OT is fought by many in today's "church". It would be wrong for anyone to do to the epistles what they are doing to scripture in the OT, yet they actually say they are right in doing this. They are using the changes God made when he sent His Son to justify themselves. Scripture does not back up their excuse.
 
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The new movement to learn and understand more of the OT is fought by many in today's "church".
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I have learned about how to treat "a Holocaust scroll" from a messianic goy.

[video=youtube;AVkoQHCXSK8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVkoQHCXSK8[/video]
 
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