The Day of The Lord

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And here is my question: If Jesus can show up at any given moment, even today, do you really want him to find you going on and on and on about 7 vials?
You're so right. We (the "collective" we) seem to concern ourselves much more with ourselves than we do others that still need to hear. It almost seems we are so busy packing our own suitcases, that we don't even care about those that may be caught unawares.... or maybe some even seem happy that "they" will be left behind.
 

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And here is my question: If Jesus can show up at any given moment, even today, do you really want him to find you going on and on and on about 7 vials?
Hello Depleted,

In answer to your question, why, yes, he does. Please consider the following:

"The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near." (Rev.1:1-3)

"The angel said to me, “These words are trustworthy and true. The Lord, the God who inspires the prophets, sent his angel to show his servants the things that must soon take place.”

So, yes! He does want us to be proclaiming the information within the book of Revelation, as well as the rest of his word. Regarding the book of Revelation, Jesus also said the following:

"Look, I am coming soon! Blessed is the one who keeps the words of the prophecy written in this scroll." (Rev.22:6)

"I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll."

According to what is written above, I'd say that our reading, speaking and guarding what is written in this book as being very important to God, wouldn't you? The book of Revelation is a detailed account of the God's coming wrath and we ought to be proclaiming it to each other and warning people regarding this coming wrath.
 
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Uh, YES, you do!

Because our Lord Jesus showed us He doesn't come until the 7th Vial per Rev.16:15-17. That is when He gathers Satan's host to battle at Armageddon and pours out His cup of Wrath upon them on that "day of the Lord".

And as our Lord Jesus commanded His good servants over His household per Matt.24, we are to be giving the "meat in due season" waiting for His coming. That is how He expects to find His faithful servants when He comes.

The giving of "meat in due season" is about teaching and understanding of the events leading all the way up to His second coming and the end of this world, which of course especially includes understanding His Revelation He gave to the Churches through His servant John.



No I don't. I want to be doing the Lord's business rather than changing the Bible into a fortune telling book. It's not!
 
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Hello Depleted,

In answer to your question, why, yes, he does. Please consider the following:

"The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near." (Rev.1:1-3)

"The angel said to me, “These words are trustworthy and true. The Lord, the God who inspires the prophets, sent his angel to show his servants the things that must soon take place.”

So, yes! He does want us to be proclaiming the information within the book of Revelation, as well as the rest of his word. Regarding the book of Revelation, Jesus also said the following:

"Look, I am coming soon! Blessed is the one who keeps the words of the prophecy written in this scroll." (Rev.22:6)

"I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll."

According to what is written above, I'd say that our reading, speaking and guarding what is written in this book as being very important to God, wouldn't you? The book of Revelation is a detailed account of the God's coming wrath and we ought to be proclaiming it to each other and warning people regarding this coming wrath.
Jesus: So, whatcha been doing?

Lynn: You'd be so impressed. I've been collecting my blessings.

What about loving God and other?

Lynn: But you told us how to get blessings. Isn't that the important part?

Jesus:
 

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No I don't. I want to be doing the Lord's business rather than changing the Bible into a fortune telling book. It's not!
I'm sorry that you feel that way about our Lord's Word which He sent through His Apostle John especially for the Churches to know what is coming at the end of this world.
 
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Christ will return before the vials are poured out. In fact, his return precipitates those events. The elect will not be caught unawares, but the world will not know until it is too late. Once the trumpet blows, it is all over for them and there will be no escape. Imagine, if you will... a sign appears in heaven, a trumpet blows, the dead are raised, and the world wonders what's going on. Then the awareness hits them of a worldwide nuclear holocaust descending upon them.
Where exactly does the Bible speak of a worldwide nuclear holocaust? Or do you mean to say that the revelation of what's going on will have that intensity?
 
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Where exactly does the Bible speak of a worldwide nuclear holocaust? Or do you mean to say that the revelation of what's going on will have that intensity?
IMO that's what the vials are describing (at least somewhat).
 
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IMO that's what the vials are describing (at least somewhat).
I don't see our Lord Jesus coming to gather His Church at anytime prior to the 7th Vial. That's why He is still warning us on the 6th Vial per Rev.16:15, with the next event being the 7th Vial poured out.

If you look at the 6th Vial events, that's pointing to tribulation timing, which is when the beast and false prophet working of miracles is.

Rev 16:12-14
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
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I don't see our Lord Jesus coming to gather His Church at anytime prior to the 7th Vial. That's why He is still warning us on the 6th Vial per Rev.16:15, with the next event being the 7th Vial poured out.
IMO the 7 vials are not describing temporal sequence, but spiritual realities of the final judgment. The statement to watch is simply pointing out the blessedness of those who escape from the earth at Christ's return just before the vials of judgment are poured out on the world.
 

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IMO the 7 vials are not describing temporal sequence, but spiritual realities of the final judgment. The statement to watch is simply pointing out the blessedness of those who escape from the earth at Christ's return just before the vials of judgment are poured out on the world.
I know that's what you said, but it doesn't agree with the Rev.16 Scripture.
 

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It does if not viewed within the constraint of temporal sequence.
Sorry, that's impossible.

Rev 16:15-17
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.


16 And He gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.


17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
KJV

Those events there are in order.

Jesus is still warning His Church on the 6th Vial timing that He will come "as a thief".

In 1 Thess.5 and 2 Pet.3:10, both Apostles showed "the day of the Lord" event which ends this present world comes "as a thief in the night", which is what our Lord Jesus was referencing with His coming "as a thief".

Thus, there is no way... to change that specific timing of His coming He gave there as written.
 

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With GOD, all things are possible.
Just not what you're suggesting, because He won't go against His Word. Now if you've had some special communication with Him that we don't know about, which suddenly made a change to that Scripture I showed, I'd be interested in hearing about it.
 

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I'm sorry that you feel that way about our Lord's Word which He sent through His Apostle John especially for the Churches to know what is coming at the end of this world.
most of the book of Revelation was aimed at 1st century church, The things that must SHORTLY come to pass. The aim was to prepare them for persecution So your point doesn't hold.
 
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Just not what you're suggesting, because He won't go against His Word. Now if you've had some special communication with Him that we don't know about, which suddenly made a change to that Scripture I showed, I'd be interested in hearing about it.
I have, but I don't share it beyond what I just did.
 

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most of the book of Revelation was aimed at 1st century church, The things that must SHORTLY come to pass. The aim was to prepare them for persecution So your point doesn't hold.
If that were true then Jesus already be here with us on earth in person, and none of the wicked would be in power on earth.
 

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Something else I want to point out about the Vials of Rev.16.

Many say, especially those on Pre-trib, believe those vials are all about God's Wrath poured out upon the beast, and upon the wicked, and that Christ has already gathered His Church before they start. Even some brethren who are Post-trib believe Christ gathers His Church immediately prior to those Vials being poured out upon the earth.

Ask yourself while reading the following events of the 6th Vial, exactly who is doing the wrath here, and who is it upon in that time?

Rev 16:12-14
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
(KJV)

Do you see there anything about God's Wrath being poured out upon the beast? No, you don't.

It's because it's a time of the beast's wrath upon the earth, not God's Wrath poured upon the beast. So the 6th Vial is not about God's Wrath upon the beast at all.

And what TIMING is the beast's wrath upon the peoples on the earth? That is TRIBULATION timing there.

It is then that our Lord Jesus reminds His Church on earth that He comes "as a thief", and then at the ending of that 6th Vial gathers Satan's host of armies around Jerusalem in order to pour out His cup of wrath on them at the 7th Vial:

Rev 16:15-17
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And He gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
KJV



 

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1 Thessalonians 5:2-5 KJV - For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. But ye brethren are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

Luke 12:35-40 KJV - Let your loins be girded about, and your lights burning; and ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately. Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them. And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants. And this know, that if the good man of the house had know what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through. Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.

Now, here's my question: If the return of Christ happens after the 7th vial plague during the Great Tribulation, how exactly will he be coming as a thief (without warning)? Wont people have their bibles out saying "well here come the great hail stones and all the cities of the world just fell, so he's coming next?"
Where in your quote from Thessalonians or Luke does the text talk about a "7th vial plague during the Great Tribulation?"
 

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Where in your quote from Thessalonians or Luke does the text talk about a "7th vial plague during the Great Tribulation?"
The "day of the Lord" event Paul was preaching in 1 Thess.5 is specifically about the 7th Vial event of God's cup of wrath upon the wicked on the final day of this world.

That's why Paul pointed to when the deceived say, "Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them". That "sudden destruction" is the "day of the Lord" timing, which is what the 7th Vial is about.