The Day of The Lord

[Beloved777]

1 Thessalonians 5:2-5 KJV - For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. But ye brethren are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

Luke 12:35-40 KJV - Let your loins be girded about, and your lights burning; and ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately. Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them. And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants. And this know, that if the good man of the house had know what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through. Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.

Now, here's my question: If the return of Christ happens after the 7th vial plague during the Great Tribulation, how exactly will he be coming as a thief (without warning)? Wont people have their bibles out saying "well here come the great hail stones and all the cities of the world just fell, so he's coming next?"

 

[Depleted]

And here is my question: If Jesus can show up at any given moment, even today, do you really want him to find you going on and on and on about 7 vials?

 

[Persuaded]

1 Thessalonians 5:2-5 KJV - For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. But ye brethren are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

Luke 12:35-40 KJV - Let your loins be girded about, and your lights burning; and ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately. Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them. And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants. And this know, that if the good man of the house had know what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through. Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.

Now, here's my question: If the return of Christ happens after the 7th vial plague during the Great Tribulation, how exactly will he be coming as a thief (without warning)? Wont people have their bibles out saying "well here come the great hail stones and all the cities of the world just fell, so he's coming next?"

Why do you emphasize verse 2 and ignore verses 4 and 5?

 

[popeye]

1 Thessalonians 5:2-5 KJV - For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. But ye brethren are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

Luke 12:35-40 KJV - Let your loins be girded about, and your lights burning; and ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately. Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them. And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants. And this know, that if the good man of the house had know what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through. Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.

Now, here's my question: If the return of Christ happens after the 7th vial plague during the Great Tribulation, how exactly will he be coming as a thief (without warning)? Wont people have their bibles out saying "well here come the great hail stones and all the cities of the world just fell, so he's coming next?"

I got a better one for you than that.

In your verse," peace and safety" is their banner.

You have thousands in this debate thinking a destroyed earth,sea,marine life,humanoids,animals,flying scorpions,and men crying out to die.....

They think folks will be saying "peace and safety,what a wonderful life"

They were blinded in Jesus day to not see him,so yes folks will always be blinded,but it is INSANE to think ANYONE will be dumb
Enough to say "peace and safety" postrib.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Now, here's my question: If the return of Christ happens after the 7th vial plague during the Great Tribulation, how exactly will he be coming as a thief (without warning)? Wont people have their bibles out saying "well here come the great hail stones and all the cities of the world just fell, so he's coming next?"

Christ will return before the vials are poured out. In fact, his return precipitates those events. The elect will not be caught unawares, but the world will not know until it is too late. Once the trumpet blows, it is all over for them and there will be no escape. Imagine, if you will... a sign appears in heaven, a trumpet blows, the dead are raised, and the world wonders what's going on. Then the awareness hits them of a worldwide nuclear holocaust descending upon them.

 

[JesusIsAll]

1 Thessalonians 5:2-5 KJV - For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. But ye brethren are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

Luke 12:35-40 KJV - Let your loins be girded about, and your lights burning; and ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately. Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them. And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants. And this know, that if the good man of the house had know what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through. Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.

Now, here's my question: If the return of Christ happens after the 7th vial plague during the Great Tribulation, how exactly will he be coming as a thief (without warning)? Wont people have their bibles out saying "well here come the great hail stones and all the cities of the world just fell, so he's coming next?"

Herein is a huge, glaring problem with mid-tribulation or post-tribulation rapture views, which makes them impossible to be true: Christ does not come unexpectedly, without preceding signs, does not come at any time, when we don't expect, in the mid or post case. For instance, if you see the antichrist, you know the Lord Jesus is seven years from returning to the Mount of Olives. If you're really, really dumb, and it takes until you see the antichrist standing in the temple, proclaiming he's God, to recognize the great globalist, the great, fierce orator and peace maker, but who then wars a lot, is a fraud, you know you've got 3 1/2 years until Christ comes, if you're a post-tribber. And for any of the events of those seven years to have to occur, first, it would have been error to instruct generations of Christians to be expectant of His return, at any time, even at a time like Noah's day, when life was going on as normal, before the flood came, Matthew 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark. There will be nothing normal about the time of antichrist, the time of Jacob's trouble, the world a shambles by the end of it! Nothing is going to be going on as usual, eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, normal life activities, as the world of Noah's time was, before the flood hit. This is an example our Lord used, to stress the unexpected nature of His coming as a thief, and the unexpected snare on the world the tribulation period will be.

Some more notes on the imminence of Christ's return for His bride:

Jesus spoke of His return repeatedly during His ministry, which naturally prompted questions from His disciples. One of their questions was, "When will these things happen?" (Mark 13:4). Jesus responded, "Of that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone. Take heed, keep on the alert; for you do not know when the appointed time will come" (verses 32-33). It is important to remember in any discussion of eschatology that God does not intend for us to fully understand the timing of His plans.

However, the Bible says that Jesus' return is near, and we are to wait eagerly for it (Romans 8:19-25; 1 Corinthians 1:7; Philippians 4:5; Jude 21). James encourages us to "be patient and stand firm, because the Lord's coming is near" (James 5:8). Revelation 1:3 and 22:10 also say that "the time is near."

Jesus taught His disciples to watch for His return. "You also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him" (Luke 12:40). The command to "be ready" implies imminence. Throughout the New Testament, the church is told to be ready (Philippians 3:20; Titus 2:13; 1 Thessalonians 5:6). If the disciples and the early church were to expect the coming of the Lord at any time, how much more should we be waiting in keen expectation?

At this point, it is good to distinguish between the second coming of Christ, proper, and the rapture of the church. The second coming of Christ, when He defeats His enemies and sets up His kingdom, will not occur until after certain other end-times events take place, including the tribulation (Matthew 24:15-30; Revelation chapters 6–18). Therefore, the second coming is not imminent. However, according to the pre-tribulational view, the rapture will take place before the tribulation. The rapture could occur at any moment (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1 Corinthians 15:50-54) and can rightly be called "imminent."

Also, a helpful little article:

Pre-tribulation Rapture​

 

[Beloved777]

Why do you emphasize verse 2 and ignore verses 4 and 5?

So during the tribulation, the ones in darkness will just be oblivious to the earth shattering events happening all around them?

 

[Josefnospam]

An interesting verse to consider.

" Woe unto you that desire the day of the Lord!Tto what end is it for you? The day of the Lord is darkness and not light" Amos 5:18

 

[Beloved777]

And here is my question: If Jesus can show up at any given moment, even today, do you really want him to find you going on and on and on about 7 vials?

No I don't! I want him to find me as a child of light watching.

 

[Josefnospam]

They will see the events happening but still won't believe in Christ unless God opens there eyes.

 

[Beloved777]

An interesting verse to consider.

" Woe unto you that desire the day of the Lord!Tto what end is it for you? The day of the Lord is darkness and not light" Amos 5:18

I never said I desired it, but nice verse.

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

This one with the next would seem to speak between them

Amos 5:18 Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light.

Jerm 17:16 As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day; thou knowest : that which came out of my lips was right before thee.

Isaiah 2:12 For the day of the LORD of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low:

Isaiah 13:9-11 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it. For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereofshall not give their light: the sun shall be darkenedin his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.

Zep 2:2 Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the LORD come upon you, before the day of the LORD'S anger come upon you. Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD'S anger.

There are many verses on these actually (edited in just one more)

 

[Depleted]

So during the tribulation, the ones in darkness will just be oblivious to the earth shattering events happening all around them?

No, they saw it too. They actually paid tickets to see some of it in the Coliseum.

Kind of like now, when people spend enormous amounts of times not noticing it happened and just as it was promised it would.

 

[Blain]

I don't really know when or how the rapture or the second coming or the tribulation will play out, I don't know whether the pretrib pre wrath mid trib or post trib is the correct doctrine and honestly it doesn't matter to me and I see no point in debating about it either I made the decision to have my heart prepared as if he could come at any second and to have it prepared if the tribulation comes first to have it prepared for however this all plays out and whatever his plan is.

So no matter if it's pre mid or post I will have my heart prepared for any of it

 

[Persuaded]

1 Thessalonians 5:2-5 KJV - For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. But ye brethren are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

Luke 12:35-40 KJV - Let your loins be girded about, and your lights burning; and ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately. Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them. And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants. And this know, that if the good man of the house had know what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through. Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.

Now, here's my question: If the return of Christ happens after the 7th vial plague during the Great Tribulation, how exactly will he be coming as a thief (without warning)? Wont people have their bibles out saying "well here come the great hail stones and all the cities of the world just fell, so he's coming next?"

You emphasize verse 2 which states the day of the Lord comes as a thief in the night.
You than say that the rapture will come as a thief. This Scripture does not teach that.
Verses 4 and 5 state that those not in darkness, those who are children of the day, children of light, the saints, should not be overtaken as a thief when the day of the Lord comes.
It is clear to me that the day of the Lord will be a suprise, as a thief, only to the lost who are the children of darkness, the lost.
The saints are told to watch for the signs that are clearly recorded in the Scripture so that we might know that the time is near. I can not know the day or the hour, but if I am watchingand I will not be surprised. The day of the Lord will not be as a thief in the night to those who are watching.

 

[DP]

1 Thessalonians 5:2-5 KJV - For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. But ye brethren are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

Luke 12:35-40 KJV - Let your loins be girded about, and your lights burning; and ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately. Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them. And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants. And this know, that if the good man of the house had know what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through. Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.

Now, here's my question: If the return of Christ happens after the 7th vial plague during the Great Tribulation, how exactly will he be coming as a thief (without warning)? Wont people have their bibles out saying "well here come the great hail stones and all the cities of the world just fell, so he's coming next?"

The answer is simple, as here is what you left out by Apostle Paul in that 1 Thess.5 Chapter:

1 Thess 5:4-5
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
KJV

If Christ's coming takes you by surprise like a thief breaking in at midnight, it means what? It means you did NOT watch and instead were taken by surprise.

So who will His coming overtake "as a thief"? The deceived who will NOT be watching and looking for it.

Our Lord Jesus explained that very point, IF brethren would take time to actually study what He said:

Matt 24:42-51
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

We don't know the day or hour of His coming; only The Father knows. But we are still to be on watch, knowing that the thief is going to come and try to break in at night, for we've already been warned about the thief coming so we have no excuse.

In the first part of 1 Thess.5, Apostle mentioned about knowing the "times and the seasons". That's about the event order leading up to our Lord Jesus' coming "as a thief", along with that "day of the Lord" event on the final day. Paul said those he spoke to already knew about those "times and the seasons", so he had no need to go over that again to them.



45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.

Did you know that Jesus made us, His Church, ruler over His household for this present time? We are to be good stewards of The Gospel for Him today, and all the way up to the time of His coming. The giving of "meat in due season" is about teaching His Word, the full Wine, in His Church today, and especially... involves the events leading up to His return. That's what His servants are to be doing as good stewards while He is away while waiting for His return.

So when He does come, and He finds His good stewards still working... those are whom He will reward, making them rulers over all His goods.


48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
KJV



That Scripture is about those who do NOT watch, not standing guard waiting for the thief coming to break in at night. The evil servant instead party's it up, obsessed with having good times, not paying attention to the events leading up to that thief coming. So when Jesus does come, these are taken by surprise as a thief breaking in at night. What does Jesus find them doing? being good stewards over His household, still working in the field? No.

 

[DP]

You emphasize verse 2 which states the day of the Lord comes as a thief in the night.
You than say that the rapture will come as a thief. This Scripture does not teach that.
Verses 4 and 5 state that those not in darkness, those who are children of the day, children of light, the saints, should not be overtaken as a thief when the day of the Lord comes.
It is clear to me that the day of the Lord will be a suprise, as a thief, only to the lost who are the children of darkness, the lost.
The saints are told to watch for the signs that are clearly recorded in the Scripture so that we might know that the time is near. I can not know the day or the hour, but if I am watchingand I will not be surprised. The day of the Lord will not be as a thief in the night to those who are watching.

That's right. Christ's coming to gather us on that "day of the Lord" is not to overtake us "as a thief" like Paul said in 1 Thess.5.

But WHEN... is that "day of the Lord" per God's Word?

It's on the FINAL day of this world, with God's cup of wrath poured out upon the wicked, while those who remain steadfast waiting on Jesus up to that day will be under His passover protection, for Jesus now is our Passover sacrificed for us (1 Cor.5:7).

 

[DP]

And here is my question: If Jesus can show up at any given moment, even today, do you really want him to find you going on and on and on about 7 vials?

Uh, YES, you do!

Because our Lord Jesus showed us He doesn't come until the 7th Vial per Rev.16:15-17. That is when He gathers Satan's host to battle at Armageddon and pours out His cup of Wrath upon them on that "day of the Lord".

And as our Lord Jesus commanded His good servants over His household per Matt.24, we are to be giving the "meat in due season" waiting for His coming. That is how He expects to find His faithful servants when He comes.

The giving of "meat in due season" is about teaching and understanding of the events leading all the way up to His second coming and the end of this world, which of course especially includes understanding His Revelation He gave to the Churches through His servant John.

 

[DP]

No I don't! I want him to find me as a child of light watching.

And HOW does one watch per God's Word?

Big clue given even here on this forum with those who don't have a clue in Scripture of when the "day of the Lord" is to occur, and what all it contains. Those are NOT watching, but are busy with other things instead, even with men's doctrines telling them a lie that the tribulation is that "day of the Lord" event when it is not.

 

[Jayoish]

1 Thessalonians 5:2-5 KJV - For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. But ye brethren are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

Luke 12:35-40 KJV - Let your loins be girded about, and your lights burning; and ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately. Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them. And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants. And this know, that if the good man of the house had know what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through. Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.

Now, here's my question: If the return of Christ happens after the 7th vial plague during the Great Tribulation, how exactly will he be coming as a thief (without warning)? Wont people have their bibles out saying "well here come the great hail stones and all the cities of the world just fell, so he's coming next?"

Not everyone read the Bible and not everyone has understanding of what they read. Those who are not of Christ, do not understand the parables in which he spoke and they will have question such as this one that you are asking. Not everyone will believe the Bible either, so to those people whom do not read, whom do not understand, and whom do not believe, he will come like a thief in the night to them.

That is the reason that I Thessalonians 5:4-9 states,

4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.
8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

The only way that you will know what is going on and what is going to happen is that you are serving the True LIVING GOD, not that other Jesus which Paul warns us about being taught in II Corinthians 11:3-4 --- (3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. )

Only through serving the true and living GOD are you able to understand Jesus parables he spoke. ( 10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
17 For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them. )

You are taking for granted and have the misperception that everyone read and understand the Bible and that is wrong! Most people will not know that they are in the Great Tribulation in the beginning for two reasons: First of all they don't know what signs to look for that signifies that the Great Tribulation is starting. Second, they don't know what to do when the final sign has been given...most people think they are going to be raptured off by Christ and will be caught right in the middle of the GREAT Tribulation!!!!

I challenge anyone to tell me what the final sign that mark the beginning of the GREAT Tribulation? And what did Christ tell his people to do when this time is upon them?

I hope this help someone,
Jayoish