The Days of the Lord, The comings of Christ, The Returning's of Jesus, The Advents, The Descending's of our Lord, ever heard of them?

Nehemiah6 · Jun 14, 2019

DeighAnn,

It seems like you are getting in over your head with this topic. What you have stated above is incorrect and does not correspond to Bible truth. So it would be better to study and learn at this point, and not jump to erroneous conclusions which will come back to bite you. And avoid following commentaries and teachers of various stripes.

Back to the heading of this thread, here are the sequence of events which tie those things together:

THE FIRST ADVENT
1. The first advent of Christ was for the fulfillment of the Old Covenant and the establishment of the New Covenant with the blood of Christ, and the establishment of the Church (all redeemed Jews and Gentiles in one Body).

THE RESURRECTION/RAPTURE
2. The pre-tribulation Resurrection/Rapture of the saints is next, for the perfection of the Church, and for the removal of the Holy Spirit from the earth to make way for the Antichrist.

THE REIGN OF THE ANTICHRIST AND THE TRIBULATION
3. Satan and the Antichrist will take absolute control of the inhabitants of the world for 3 1/2 years. This will also correspond to (a) the Tribulation or "the time of Jacob's trouble and (b) the judgments of the first six trumpet (within the 7th seal).

THE DAY OF THE LORD AND THE GREAT TRIBULATION
4. After this there will be another 3 1/2 period shorted by a few months which will correspond to (a) the day of the LORD, (b) the Great Tribulation, and (c) the seven vial judgments of the 7th trumpet.

THE SHAKING OF THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH
5. This will be followed by the catacylsmic cosmic events of the 6th seal, when the earth and the heavens (and heavenly bodies) will be "shaken".

THE SECOND COMING OF CHRIST AND WHAT WILL FOLLOW
6. Finally the whole world will see the Second Coming of Christ with His saints and angels, followed by the battle of Armageddon, and all the events noted in Revelation 19-21 (including the Millennium), until the establishment of the New Heavens and the New Earth.

Ahwatukee · Jun 14, 2019

DeighAnn said:

I don't know what you think the above is saying, but "All" is referring to those who are in Christ at the time when the resurrection takes place. When the resurrection takes place, all of the dead in Christ from the on-set of the church until the time of the resurrection, will rise immortal and glorified. Immediately after that, those in Christ who are still alive will be changed immortal and glorified and will be caught up with those who will have just resurrected.

That is not what the scripture is saying at all. At the "last trump" only those who have died in Christ and those who are still alive will be changed immortal and glorified. After that the wrath of God will commence. During that time there will be a group known as the great tribulation saints who are those who will become believers after the church has been gathered and during the time of God's wrath. Israel will also still be on the earth during that time, as well as all unbelievers.

Ahwatukee · Jun 14, 2019

DeighAnn said:

The scripture that you quoted above, is in reference to the Lord's return to the earth to end the age and has nothing to do with the event of the church being gathered. Those whom the angels gather at that time, will be those great tribulation saints who will have made it through the time of God's wrath, alive. That said, Matt.24:31 is not referring to the resurrection, but them gathering living people all over the world. Just fyi, angels do not gather the church at the time of the resurrection.

As I continue to tell you, the tribulation of those days is God's tribulation, not Satan's. Prior to and during the same time as the beasts kingdom, God's wrath will be in operation throughout that entire time. As I said, claiming that it is Satan's tribulation, is just an apologetic to support those who believe that the Lord is going to leave His bride on the earth during the time of His wrath.

People who say that the church is going to be on the earth during the time of God's wrath, don't understand the severity and magnitude of God's coming wrath. It also shows that they truly don't believe that Jesus took upon himself God's wrath on behalf of every believer. In addition, they don't discern the difference between the trials and tribulation that Jesus said believers would have which come at the hands of men and the powers of darkness vs. God's coming, unprecedented wrath. If they did, they would not be claiming that the church will be here during the time of God's wrath.

Ahwatukee · Jun 14, 2019

DeighAnn said:

Once again, your error is that you are including all people. For not everyone takes part in the first resurrection!

You are lacking information from rest of the scriptures. At the time when the Lord appears, ONLY those who have died in Christ from the on-set of the church and those in Christ who are still alive will be resurrected, changed and caught up. After the entire church has been caught up, there will be another group, which no man can count from every tribe, nation, people and language, who will become believers in Christ after the church has been removed who are introduced in Revelation 7:9-17. As I said, these are saints who will become believers AFTER the church has been removed from the earth. This is the same group that the beast is given authority to make war against and conquer, as revealed in Rev.13:5-7.

The majority of the great tribulation saints will be killed because of their testimony for Jesus and the word of God and because they will not worship the beast, his image nor receive his mark. It is the survivors of the great tribulation saints who are those that the angels will gather and who will enter into the millennial period and repopulate it, along with the remnant of Israel. In support of this, scripture states that at the end of the thousand years Satan will be released from the Abyss and he will gather together those referred to as Gog and Magog and they will surround the camp of God's people, the city that He loves (Jerusalem) and God will rain fire down upon them, killing them in their mortal bodies.

Adstar · Jun 14, 2019

Absolutely said:

I have read the entire Bible and i have read the Book of Revelation a number of times.. So no Oooops about what i have shared.. No going back to any drawing board..

eternally-gratefull · Jun 14, 2019

DeighAnn said:

Will

We are absolutely positive about when Christ will return. Maybe not what day, not what hour but we are given a few details that pinpoint it down to "some events".

The undisputable facts:
Before Christ returns these things must happen: 2 thess 2
1. a falling away
2. man of sin revealed
3. 7th trump

Starting with the Two Witnesses
And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them and kill them and their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves. And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another: because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth. And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet: and great fear fell upon them which saw them. And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascend up to heaven in a cloud: and their enemies beheld them. And the SAME HOUR was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven. The second woe is past: and behold, the third woe cometh quickly. And the 7th angel sounded (THE 7TH TRUMP) and there were great voices in heaven saying The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ: and he shall reign for ever and ever. ......... And the nations were angry, and THY WRATH is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
or put another way
And I heheld when He had opened the sixth seal, and lo there was a great earthquake and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood and the stars of heaven fell unto the earth even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together and every mountain and island were moved out of their places and the kings of the earth and the great men and the rich men and chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman and every freeman hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains: and said to the mountains and rock Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him that sitteth on the throne, and from the WRATH OF THE LAMB. For the great day of His wrath is come and who shall be able to stand.
or put another way
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet stand in the holy place........Woe unto them that are with child and to them that give suck in those days! .......For THEN shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no nor ever shall be. AND except those days should be shortened there should no flesh be saved: but for the elects sake those days shall be shortened. Then if any man shall say unto you LO HERE iS CHRIST or there BELIEVE IT NOT................Immediately after THE TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS (Satans days) shall the sun be darkened and the moon shall not give her light and the stars shall fall from heaven and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken and THEN SHALL ALL the tribes of the earth mourn and they shall SEE THE SON OF MAN COMING IN THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN WITH POWER AND GREAT GLORY And He shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Even jesus said of that day and of that hour no man knows. Not even himself. Only The father knows this day.

So to say we know is wrong

We can know when he returns back to earth, Yes, 3.5 years AFTER the abomination which causes desolation.

He comes as a thief. Those who are prepared, have no fear. Because he will not surprise them, because they are preapired Not because they know what day, But because everyone from the time paul wrote his letters to today was told to live every day like that is the day Christ would return (immanent return) But those who are not,

You can not say this about post trib, or amill. Because everyone knows it is the day of the lord (the kings cry for God to allow the rocks to fall on them for who can withstand the wrath of god) and we are told specific events which will take place, leading up to that direct time (All the judgments)

eternally-gratefull · Jun 14, 2019

DeighAnn said:

Now I really beg you to open your eyes and ears for a moment and listen to what was written in this 2nd letter to the Thessalonians

The subject : THE COMING OF THE LORD and BY OUR GATHERING TOGETHER UNTO HIM

3 Let no man deceive you by any means for that day shall not come EXCEPT

1 there come a falling away FIRST
2 that man of sin be revealed

He goes on to say REMEMBER, ye not that when I was yet with you I told you these things?

So he has tried to clear up the "when". Seems pretty cut and dried to me, AFTER SATAN REVEALED. But seems there maybe should have been a lot more put forth so we would not be having these discussions today.

But some really good info about who is coming back with HIM when He does return. Maybe this will clear it up a bit.

Paraphrase: Here is the info you need so you don't come across as "uninformed" about what happens to our loved ones who die. Don't be sad like the people who don't believe in the risen Christ We who believe in and know Christ died and rose, SHOULD know this, that those who have died and gone onto be with Jesus, God is going to be bringing back with Him and even though our flesh will have never died we will all be back together again, all in our celestial bodies. And the spiritually dead, well, they get their celestial bodies but no "immortality", they are going to go through the next 1000 yrs that way.

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel AND with the TRUMP of God. and the dead in Christ shall rise first: (I think this is the two witnesses) Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

The Lords Day is beginning. His foot will touch the Mount, the valley that cant be crossed cleaved, satan bound and pitted, all the goings on at the beginning to get the sheep and goats to the correct place (always reminds me of the wedding guest who got kicked out) And the Reigning with Christ and teaching begins

I think we are witnessing the falling away today. And it just gets worse

The man of sin will be revealed when he confirms a covenant for 1 week with many (including Israel) it is quite specific

TheDivineWatermark · Jun 14, 2019

DeighAnn said:

So, what I think I hear you saying, in this paragraph ^ (and another post), is that you see it like this: all people of all times (the saved/saints AND the lost) will be resurrected to "celestial bodies" at the start of the earthly Millennial Kingdom, for the purpose of testing them (over that 1000 yr period) to see if they (by their behavior in these "celestial bodies") can "make the grade" and propel themselves on to the next level (i.e. "ultimate salvation," determined at the GWTj [/final judgment], in your view). Something like that??

I think your incorrect notions likely stem (at least, in part) from a misunderstanding of what it is that Daniel 12:1-4 is talking about (and it is not talking about a "physical/bodily resurrection [of 'formerly deceased' persons]" like v.13 is).

Absolutely · Jun 14, 2019

DeighAnn said:

Will

We are absolutely positive about when Christ will return. Maybe not what day, not what hour but we are given a few details that pinpoint it down to "some events".

The undisputable facts:
Before Christ returns these things must happen: 2 thess 2
1. a falling away
2. man of sin revealed
3. 7th trump

Starting with the Two Witnesses
And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them and kill them and their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves. And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another: because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth. And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet: and great fear fell upon them which saw them. And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascend up to heaven in a cloud: and their enemies beheld them. And the SAME HOUR was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven. The second woe is past: and behold, the third woe cometh quickly. And the 7th angel sounded (THE 7TH TRUMP) and there were great voices in heaven saying The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ: and he shall reign for ever and ever. ......... And the nations were angry, and THY WRATH is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
or put another way
And I heheld when He had opened the sixth seal, and lo there was a great earthquake and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood and the stars of heaven fell unto the earth even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together and every mountain and island were moved out of their places and the kings of the earth and the great men and the rich men and chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman and every freeman hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains: and said to the mountains and rock Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him that sitteth on the throne, and from the WRATH OF THE LAMB. For the great day of His wrath is come and who shall be able to stand.
or put another way
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet stand in the holy place........Woe unto them that are with child and to them that give suck in those days! .......For THEN shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no nor ever shall be. AND except those days should be shortened there should no flesh be saved: but for the elects sake those days shall be shortened. Then if any man shall say unto you LO HERE iS CHRIST or there BELIEVE IT NOT................Immediately after THE TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS (Satans days) shall the sun be darkened and the moon shall not give her light and the stars shall fall from heaven and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken and THEN SHALL ALL the tribes of the earth mourn and they shall SEE THE SON OF MAN COMING IN THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN WITH POWER AND GREAT GLORY And He shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

"....from one End of HEAVEN TO THE OTHER"
Gathered from heaven,not earth.
That gathering is not the rapture.
The church is gathered from heaven in mat 24 and rev 19.
There are no postrib rapture verses.
None.

Absolutely · Jun 14, 2019

Ahwatukee said:

I don't know what you think the above is saying, but "All" is referring to those who are in Christ at the time when the resurrection takes place. When the resurrection takes place, all of the dead in Christ from the on-set of the church until the time of the resurrection, will rise immortal and glorified. Immediately after that, those in Christ who are still alive will be changed immortal and glorified and will be caught up with those who will have just resurrected.

That is not what the scripture is saying at all. At the "last trump" only those who have died in Christ and those who are still alive will be changed immortal and glorified. After that the wrath of God will commence. During that time there will be a group known as the great tribulation saints who are those who will become believers after the church has been gathered and during the time of God's wrath. Israel will also still be on the earth during that time, as well as all unbelievers.[/QUOTE

TMS · Jun 14, 2019

What is truth???
Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
Please use the word to back up your theories.

Mal_4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
The day of the Lord is a great and dreadful day.
Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Mat 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
His coming a second time and we don't know exactly when.
Jas_5:7 Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain.
Be patient.
Mat 24:25 Behold, I have told you before.
Mat 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
Mat 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Not a quiet event, not something that people can miss.
Rev_1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
All will see Him coming.
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Notice the order, After the earth sees Him the elect are gathered.
Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Two resurrections. See Revelation for, when these happen.
Joh 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
Joh 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
Jesus has made a mansion for the saved and its in Heaven for us to dwell in.
1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Jesus will raise the dead and call the living to meet Him in the air. To be with the Lord forever.
1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
His coming to change us, to give immortality to the saved. see also Phil 3:20,21
Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Jesus will personally bring the reward. (eternal life)
Isa 11:4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.
Jer 25:33 And the slain of the LORD shall be at that day from one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth: they shall not be lamented, neither gathered, nor buried; they shall be dung upon the ground.
The evil will not be lamented because everyone not saved will be destroyed on that day.
The earth will be wasted, or destroyed. Rev 16:18,20, Jer 4:26, Isa 24:1,3.

Sorry it's long but the Bible has all the answers if you are willing to look.

The coming of the Lord shall be a great and dreadful day and the saved shall be rewarded and go with Jesus forever, but the lost shall be destroyed.

DeighAnn · Jun 14, 2019

Ahwatukee said:

I do not know how many times I have read this and I can not find where it says that the "only" people who have a celestial body are the "saved" and even if I could find that scripture, I still do not see where 50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God: neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. Behold I show you a mystery, We shall not all sleep, but we shall be changed....the dead shall be raised incorruptible and we shall be changed.....

Ecc 12 Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it. Not to mention what comes before especially 1 Cor 15 35 onward.

All who do not make the 1st resurrection, have to make it to the lake of fire. Flesh and blood are not going to make it 1000 ys. The Lords Day ends the flesh age (all are changed) and begins the spiritual age here on earth which flesh and blood can not be in. Rich man and Lazarus, the gulf, the valley when His foot hits the mount, the separating of the sheep and the goats. All of Gods Children will be here on earth for the Millennium, (even all the host of heaven when it is rolled up like a scroll) The good side and the bad side.

I got out my Interlinear and my strongs and I looked up 3498 nekros-dead, 861 aphtharsia-indestructibility, no-corruption, 3463 yashen-sleeping, 6974-arise, be awake, watch, 2288 thanatos-death, physical or spiritual, 110 athanasia-immortality, 2349 thnetos-subject to death, 5349 phthartos-perishable, corruptible etc. It didn't help me find what you are telling me is truth. But I have all night and I will not stop until I am sure I have searched out the matter. I truly believe that judgment starts with the teachers, and we are held responsible not only for the truths but more so for the false doctrine we put forth. I also know our "intentions" don't matter that much when it comes to this subject. So I will keep praying and searching the scripture and get back to you. If I haven't thanked you for your time given, I thank you now. I do my best learning under these exact circumstances. I have a couple more messages to read then off to the books so till then.....

DeighAnn · Jun 14, 2019

Ahwatukee said:

The scripture that you quoted above, is in reference to the Lord's return to the earth to end the age and has nothing to do with the event of the church being gathered. Those whom the angels gather at that time, will be those great tribulation saints who will have made it through the time of God's wrath, alive. That said, Matt.24:31 is not referring to the resurrection, but them gathering living people all over the world. Just fyi, angels do not gather the church at the time of the resurrection.

As I continue to tell you, the tribulation of those days is God's tribulation, not Satan's. Prior to and during the same time as the beasts kingdom, God's wrath will be in operation throughout that entire time. As I said, claiming that it is Satan's tribulation, is just an apologetic to support those who believe that the Lord is going to leave His bride on the earth during the time of His wrath.

People who say that the church is going to be on the earth during the time of God's wrath, don't understand the severity and magnitude of God's coming wrath. It also shows that they truly don't believe that Jesus took upon himself God's wrath on behalf of every believer. In addition, they don't discern the difference between the trials and tribulation that Jesus said believers would have which come at the hands of men and the powers of darkness vs. God's coming, unprecedented wrath. If they did, they would not be claiming that the church will be here during the time of God's wrath.

Please give me scripture that shows Gods Wrath before the Tribulation or the tempting of Satan. Satan tempted Jesus, and he is going to try to temp us too!

Matt 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days???. 30..then shall appear Son of Man... 31 ...and they shall gather His elect.....

DeighAnn · Jun 14, 2019

Absolutely said:

Heaven is where ever God is

Nehemiah6 · Jun 14, 2019

DeighAnn said:

Another fallacy.

You need to spend some serious study time in the Bible, and reserve your opinions until then. As I said earlier, you are in over your head right now, and should be learning Bible truth properly (not on an Internet forum, but within a sound Bible church, and one-on-one with a sound Christian discipler).

Ahwatukee · Jun 15, 2019

DeighAnn said:

scripture makes a definite distinction between heaven and earth as being two different locations. Nehemiah6 is correct in that, you need to base your claims from scripture. Regarding the location of heaven, please consider the following:

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"When the Lord Jesus had finished talking with them, he was taken [up] into heaven and sat down in the place of honor at God’s right hand."

"I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught [up] to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know--God knows."

"And the witnesses heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Come [up] here.” And they went [up] to heaven in a cloud as their enemies watched them."

"And the voice I had previously heard speak to me like a trumpet was saying, “Come [up] here, and I will show you what must happen after these things.”

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Now, I've just listed a couple of scriptures off the top of my head and as you can see, heaven is always referred to as being up in opposition to the earth.

This is just friendly advice, you need to consider all scripture regarding any given Biblical subject. Then you will be able to teach and contend for the truth of God's word.

"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for instruction, for conviction, for correction, and for training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be complete, fully equipped for every good work."

Ahwatukee · Jun 15, 2019

DeighAnn said:

You are correct in that, only the saved will be raised and caught up. But as I have tried to explain to you, after the church has been gathered and changed immortal and glorified, the time of God's wrath will follow. During that time, there will people who will become believers in Christ, many of who will be killed on the beasts authority. These are referred to in Revelation as the great tribulation saints. Those of them who are killed during the beasts reign will be resurrected when Jesus returns to the earth to end the age. The following scriptures is the introduction to the great tribulation saints and their resurrection Note: this group is not the church

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"After this I looked and saw a multitude too large to count, from every nation and tribe and people and tongue, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands."

"Then one of the elders addressed me: “These in white robes,” he asked, “who are they, and where have they come from?”

“Sir,” I answered, “you know.”

So he replied, “These are the ones who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

"And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image, and had not received its mark on their foreheads or hands. And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. "

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The information that you are missing is that, there are multiple phases, or stages that make up the first resurrection:

1. Jesus the first fruits - 1 Cor.15:20-23

2. The church - John 14:1-3, 1 Thess.4:13-17, 1 Cor.15:51-53

3. The male child/144,000 - Rev.12:5

4. The two witness - Rev.11:7-11

5. The great tribulation saints - Rev.20:4-6

All of the above fall under the banner of the first resurrection, each of which takes place at different times prior to Christ's thousand year reign.

What you are not taking into consideration regarding above, and as I have already made know to you is that, the great tribulation saints will become believers AFTER the church has been gathered. And so they will still be in there mortal bodies. Those of this group who die during that time will be resurrected, also immortal and glorified when Christ returns to the earth to end the age, . Those who make it through the time of God's wrath and the beasts reign alive, will enter into the thousand year reign of Christ in their mortal bodies and will repopulate the earth during the millennial period. According to Isaiah 65:20, The life span during the thousand years will be increased as it was prior to the flood:

"Never again will there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, or an old man who does not live out his years; the one who dies at a hundred will be thought a mere child; the one who fails to reach a hundred will be considered accursed.

All that your quote of 1 Cor.15:50 is saying is that, those in Christ, dead and living, cannot inherit the kingdom of God (heaven) in these mortal bodies, which are decaying and die. And that they have to be changed immortal and glorified, as revealed in the following scripture:

"So will it be with the resurrection of the dead: What is sown is perishable; it is raised imperishable. It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power."

When believers are resurrected and the living believers are changed and caught up, they will take on heavenly characteristics fit for heaven.

Ahwatukee · Jun 15, 2019

DeighAnn said:

The majority of the book of Revelation is given to the details of God's wrath, which will be carried out via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, which will run through the entire seven years. Christ does not return to the earth to end the age until after God's wrath has been poured out, which is completed at the pouring out of the 7th bowl judgment.

As I have made known to you previously, the scripture above is referring to when the Lord returns to the earth to end the age. In opposition, the church will have already been resurrected and caught up at least seven years prior to when the Lord returns to the earth to end the age. In fact, the resurrected church will be returning with the Lord riding on white horses and already in their immortal and glorified bodies.

"They (the beast and the ten kings) will wage war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will triumph over them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings—and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers.”

The resurrected church who will be returning with Christ to the earth to end the age, are those "called, chosen and faithful followers."

Absolutely · Jun 15, 2019

DeighAnn said:

So that about a throne with the 4 living creatures and Jesus taking the book out of God's hand is just filler?
God is not boxed in by doctrine.
He is both seated on a throne,and present in man,present in the wilderness.
Moses had to hide while God walked by.
Jesus prayed to the Father. In heaven.

Absolutely · Jun 15, 2019

DeighAnn said:

It is not a neat separation as many try to make it.
God used nations to judge his people many times in the ot.
Read where it says "and power was given the ac to kill the saints"

There is no neat separation.
God himself opens the great tribulation.
The entire 7 yrs is both wrath,judgement,persecution,trouble,and tribulation.

Those not looking for Jesus return for his bride pretrib are watching for a "christ" on a white horse pretrib.
We are BOTH waiting on a pretrib event.

Postrib rapture adherants don't even realize they are the 5 foolish virgins of mat 25 and waiting on the biggest event in their minds. A christ on A white horse.
Last days deception.
They even mock those waiting for Jesus.
It seems almost impossible. Christians waiting for a false christ,thinking and reasoning in their minds with NO VERSES SUPPORTING their assumption.

The Days of the Lord, The comings of Christ, The Returning's of Jesus, The Advents, The Descending's of our Lord, ever heard of them?

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