The deification of man.

[84Niner]

Mankind does not become God. If you're stating something else, then you'll need to clarify it because that's what it looks to me that you're asserting and it's a false assertion.

Scripture teaches that God the Holy Spirit fills people and spiritually regenerates them; however, this does not result in people becoming God.

I think what's going to be difficult for you is coming to accept the reality that scripture teaches that God transforms people and brings them into a new relationship and position with Himself without them becoming God.

For example, at the end of the apostle John's life he observed the early church and stated they had received as a gift the sense of such union to the Son of God that they become alive to the fact that they too are the offspring of God. God the Holy Spirit had passed into them, regenerating them, and they cried "Abba, Father" in response.

John affirms this in a very interesting way. For example in John 1, he repudiates any connection with mere hereditary privilege. No twice-born Brahmin, no dignified race, no descendant of Abraham, etc... Rather it is found in the full revelation of the name of the incarnate Logos who fashioned humanity in His image and regenerated those who would receive by his Holy Spirit without them becoming God.

The reason why your false assertion to the contrary is "hard to accept" is because it's in error.

With all respect ( I mean that) you state that my assertion is ("hard to accept", because it's in error,). Yet, you and others offer very little evidence to persuade me otherwise. All the scripture I offered are based upon "Life" transaction. What life? A refined human life? Or the divine life. If our regeneration is of the divine life, then that is a life in deity. I'm glad you mentioned that we are "spiritually regenerated". The word regeneration basically is defined as something of organic life growing again, or in place of that which was somehow lost or removed. Yes, we have been regenerated. Does this mean that our natural human life is replaced with another more uplifted form of our natural human life? Not according to scripture. 1Peter 1:23 makes it very clear that we have been regenerated not with corruptible seed, but of incorruptible seed. Of course we know that incorruptible seed that we have been regenerated with is the Lord Jesus who is the very word become flesh. You also say "God the Holy Spirit had passed into them, regenerating them" as if to say that the Holy Spirit made some kind of contact with man and the result of that contact was regeneration. However 1Cor 6:17 goes much deeper than that in saying that "He who is joined to the Lord is...one spirit". Part of the confusion about this is that many do not make any distinction between mans "soul" and mans "spirit". But the bible does make a distinction. Man's spirit is the "organ" specifically formed in man to be the means of direct union with God. 1Thes 5:23 reads ".......may your spirit and soul and body be preserved complete." The difference between the soul and the spirit is a whole other topic and is worthy of it's own thread in itself. Without realizing the distinction of our human spirit and it's relationship to the soul, and that the human spirit is the conduit/container in our relationship with God, it will be very difficult to grasp and become reconciled to the concept of man's deification. You also offer in your fourth paragraph that our union with God was such that we were deemed "offspring of God". This is exactly what is meant by one grain (Jesus) falling into the earth to die, to produce "many grains" (us) or fruit.

If God is regenerating something from His own divine Life (He is), and if God is producing new grains out of His own divine Life (He is), all for the purpose that man could express the divine Life, then how in the world can you say we are not at least on the path of becoming deified in His life? By the way, it is easy for me to say we are becoming God but not to be worshiped as in the Godhead itself. When I meet somebody and shake their hand, I don't speak to their hand, nor do I identify them or judge them by their "hand" or any other extended part of their body. All the members of their body are subjected to their head and are in complete harmony with the head and have no independent nature in themselves. Thus, the members of that persons body whether it be the hand the arm or the leg are there only to support the head and do the will of the head. If for some reason I felt that person to be worthy of worship, I wouldn't look upon his hand or his foot, I would address his head. We need to lay aside this notion that by me stating we can be deified demands that we become something to be worshipped. It does not. Does that make it more clear?

You also mentioned John 1. It's significant that John 1:12 states that we have been "begotten not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God". So, what is this begetting? Is it not a divine begetting? If it is, then is it not a begetting of the divine life?

Remember that saying, "if it looks like a duck, smells like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and is even begotten of a duck,...then it is a duck."

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Let me amend that sentence for you since you're struggling with it: Your assertion that man can become God is false, unscriptural, and impossible.

And the scriptures you offer do not state what you misinterpret them as stating. In fact, the article I posted refuted the whole idea.

Your completely wrong that God's regeneration makes us God. It doesn't. In heaven, the saints will continue as individuals in union with God but not God. That's exactly what the Bible teaches.

And your organic analogy is completely false for humans never possessed divinity to start with so never lost or had it removed. They lost their innocence, a particular relationship with God, and their place in Eden when they sinned. They were never God, gods, nor divine. You're making a false unscriptural assertion.

All I see you doing is stringing together a lot of false assertions and misinterpreting scripture to support an erroneous unbiblical teaching. That makes you a false teacher. And eventually you're going to have problems here because teaching unorthodox heresy is against the forum's rules.

Being spiritually regenerated by the Holy Spirit doesn't turn you into God. You're wrong. Not a single scripture you're posting states that.

1 Peter 1:23 repeats the verb used in verse 3. It is the highest argument for brotherly love; the children of the one Father are all brethren; they should "love as brethren" (1 Peter 3:8). Not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the Word of God, which liveth and abideth forever.

As commentaries clearly state, Peter is differentiating between the seed of Abraham and that of God. This is the argument: “You must learn not to be selfish, or arrogant, as being of the chosen race, but to have a true brotherly feeling and earnest love for the Gentile converts, and for those who, like St. Paul, are specially working for the Gentiles, because your inheritance of the promised ‘salvation’ is grounded, not on your Abrahamic descent, but on your spiritual regeneration, in which matter the Gentile converts are your equals in their ability to receive.

That this was the doctrine of Peter is certain from his speech at the Council of Jerusalem, “God put no difference between us and them, having purified their hearts by faith;” and again, “It is only through the favour of the Lord Jesus that we hope to be saved, in precisely the same manner as they” (Acts 15:9; Acts 15:11). (Comp., for the argument, 1 John 5:1.).

The “Word of God” here is, no doubt, the preaching of the gospel and resurrection (1Peter 1:3) which, of course, has nothing to do with becoming God. Nothing.

Same for 1 Corinthians 6:17. For Paul, spiritual life meant the indwelling of Christ in the heart - the life "in Christ;" so that he could say, "It is no more I that live, but Christ that liveth in me" (Galatians 2:20; Galatians 3:27; Colossians 3:17). The context is an exhortation to live a holy life. If you want to get technical and go to the Greek itself, κολλᾶσθαι τῷ Κυρίῳ is an expression of close attachment to Jehovah, which is very common in the O. T. (Jeremiah 13:11; Deuteronomy 10:20; Deuteronomy 11:22; 2 Kings 18:6; etc...). It denotes here, inward union of life with Christ, and is selected to be set against the κολλ. τῇ πόρνῃ. Nothing here about man becoming God.

You're reading a false idea into texts which never contained it.

1 Thessalonians 5:23 is exhorting sanctification wholly in all a person's components. It's not saying that man will become God as you're falsely asserting.

Obviously, being the offspring of God is not the same thing as being God. And misinterpreting Christ's prophetic word that He would die, rise, ascend to the Father, and His gospel would produce many disciples also doesn't have anything to do with people becoming God. You're fancifully inventing things that aren't true do to your ignorance of scripture.

I can state emphatically that people can be saved, be sanctified, and ultimately glorified without ever becoming God because that's exactly what the Bible teaches.

The only clarity I see you espousing is deception born of ignorance.

 

[ChristInUs]

To the OP I think you meant Depravity for to defecate is to leave a pile. If you know what I mean.

 

[Galahad]

Getting back to the body, do not the members of the body share the exact same life flow as the head? If not, how could it be called the body? If someone reaches out and touches my hand, are they touching my hand or are they touching me? The answer of course is...YES. Acts 17:29 says that "....we are Gods offspring". Do not offspring and/or children share the same life and nature as the source? John 15:5 says "I am the vine, you are the branches...." Are not the branches of the vine...part of the vine? John 12:24 goes on to say ".....unless a grain of wheat (referring to Jesus) falls into the ground and dies it abides alone, but if it dies it produces much fruit". The much fruit is simply the expansion of the one grain that fell into the earth. The fruit of the grain cannot be something other and different than the grain that it came from. 1Cor 6:17 says "He who is joined to the Lord is one spirit."

These passages shout out to us believers that we are indeed becoming...God. This is the main goal of God bringing Himself into man (Jesus), so that man could be brought into God. I am NOT saying that we are becoming more gods. I am NOT saying that we are becoming anything separate and/or distinct from God. There is only one God and always will be. Nevertheless, we must conclude after taking into account the true revelation in the scriptures concerning mans relationship to God in His life that we are indeed not only just partakers of the divine nature, but we are growing into the divine nature.

Below is the answer. It is explicit. Precise, pointed and direct. Now knock it off.

[SUP]Acts 14:11
[/SUP]"And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Then the priest of Jupiter, which was before their city, brought oxen and garlands unto the gates, and would have done sacrifice with the people.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein:
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Who in times past suffered all nations to walk in their own ways.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Nevertheless he left not himself without witness, in that he did good, and gave us rain from heaven, and fruitful seasons, filling our hearts with food and gladness.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And with these sayings scarce restrained they the people, that they had not done sacrifice unto them."

Do you see? Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ, having the Spirit, one chosen by God, far above you and I, a man who was inspired. Now read it again. He never came close to your conclusions.

 

[weakness]

Is that worse than a liar?[/QUOTE/that is a bad cold.We are called as gods children which by nature makes us God, maybe not quit grown yet.THAt is one of the most Important reasons for the creation to make and bring us into the glorious liberty of the children of Light, And have the nature of God. When we see him we will know him even as he knows us.Being found in the form of God ,thought it not robbery to be equal with God , but(as God) took upon himself the form of a servant. And thats what should happen to us to ,if we find are selves,by his Spirit within us,to be the children and nature of God

 

[john832]

Mankind does not become God.

So, what you are saying here is that God lied?

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

So, your children are in your image and after your likeness but they aren't human?

 

[Yet]

Any microscopic hint of pride in your heart is self deification.
Like when Adam opened his eyes and looked around and said 'wow! Look what I did!'
We are less than nothing. How do you make a god outta that?
This is the problem with exalting one man over the congregation. You're not doing him any favors folks. Signed:broken record.

 

[84Niner]

Well, it seems I have ruffled a few feathers here and am even charged with being a false teacher of unorthodox heresy. Well, if I am teaching unorthodox heresy, then that would also make CS Lewis a heretical teacher too, among others. I included a link below concerning CS Lewis's teachings on the subject of man's deification.

The revelation of man becoming deified has no doubt been misunderstood and twisted over the years by different theological groups leaving the reality of the concept a bit foggy with differing branches of the idea. Nevertheless, the deification of man remains a reality in the scriptures. I will not continue to go over the countless scriptures that point to this throughout the whole of the bible (the few I previously submitted speak for themselves) except to offer one last comment by the Lord Jesus in Matthew 5:48 where Jesus told His disciples "You therefore shall be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect."

We are to become perfect? "Perfect" is a rather high standard I would say, especially when it is qualified with "perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect". We might say to ourselves that this is an impossibility. Who can be as perfect as the Father is perfect? Our first response would likely be that Jesus is the only one who was perfect as the Father was perfect. This would be correct. Jesus (a man) was a perfect man because He was the unique Godman, fully in oneness with the Father. He did nothing outside of the Father's will, thus we can deem Jesus perfect as the Father. Yet here we see that Jesus also tells us that we are to become perfect even as the Father is perfect. What, you mean exactly like Jesus? How could this be possible? The deification of man is the only logical answer to this. Outside of that, we can never be deemed as perfect as the heavenly Father is perfect.

The relationship and oneness that Jesus shared with the heavenly Father is precisely the same oneness that Jesus desired for us believers. These aren't my words, but the words that Jesus prayed to the Father in John 17:21-24.

I did not begin to embrace this idea from reading CS Lewis writings, however I do believe that his writings on the topic reflect most closely the same idea as I too embrace.

Shine As the Sun: C.S. Lewis and the Doctrine of Deification | In Pursuit of Truth | A Journal of Christian Scholarship

 

[84Niner]

Let me amend that sentence for you since you're struggling with it: Your assertion that man can become God is false, unscriptural, and impossible.

And the scriptures you offer do not state what you misinterpret them as stating. In fact, the article I posted refuted the whole idea.

Your completely wrong that God's regeneration makes us God. It doesn't. In heaven, the saints will continue as individuals in union with God but not God. That's exactly what the Bible teaches.

And your organic analogy is completely false for humans never possessed divinity to start with so never lost or had it removed. They lost their innocence, a particular relationship with God, and their place in Eden when they sinned. They were never God, gods, nor divine. You're making a false unscriptural assertion.

All I see you doing is stringing together a lot of false assertions and misinterpreting scripture to support an erroneous unbiblical teaching. That makes you a false teacher. And eventually you're going to have problems here because teaching unorthodox heresy is against the forum's rules.

Being spiritually regenerated by the Holy Spirit doesn't turn you into God. You're wrong. Not a single scripture you're posting states that.

1 Peter 1:23 repeats the verb used in verse 3. It is the highest argument for brotherly love; the children of the one Father are all brethren; they should "love as brethren" (1 Peter 3:8). Not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the Word of God, which liveth and abideth forever.

As commentaries clearly state, Peter is differentiating between the seed of Abraham and that of God. This is the argument: “You must learn not to be selfish, or arrogant, as being of the chosen race, but to have a true brotherly feeling and earnest love for the Gentile converts, and for those who, like St. Paul, are specially working for the Gentiles, because your inheritance of the promised ‘salvation’ is grounded, not on your Abrahamic descent, but on your spiritual regeneration, in which matter the Gentile converts are your equals in their ability to receive.

That this was the doctrine of Peter is certain from his speech at the Council of Jerusalem, “God put no difference between us and them, having purified their hearts by faith;” and again, “It is only through the favour of the Lord Jesus that we hope to be saved, in precisely the same manner as they” (Acts 15:9; Acts 15:11). (Comp., for the argument, 1 John 5:1.).

The “Word of God” here is, no doubt, the preaching of the gospel and resurrection (1Peter 1:3) which, of course, has nothing to do with becoming God. Nothing.

Same for 1 Corinthians 6:17. For Paul, spiritual life meant the indwelling of Christ in the heart - the life "in Christ;" so that he could say, "It is no more I that live, but Christ that liveth in me" (Galatians 2:20; Galatians 3:27; Colossians 3:17). The context is an exhortation to live a holy life. If you want to get technical and go to the Greek itself, κολλᾶσθαι τῷ Κυρίῳ is an expression of close attachment to Jehovah, which is very common in the O. T. (Jeremiah 13:11; Deuteronomy 10:20; Deuteronomy 11:22; 2 Kings 18:6; etc...). It denotes here, inward union of life with Christ, and is selected to be set against the κολλ. τῇ πόρνῃ. Nothing here about man becoming God.

You're reading a false idea into texts which never contained it.

1 Thessalonians 5:23 is exhorting sanctification wholly in all a person's components. It's not saying that man will become God as you're falsely asserting.

Obviously, being the offspring of God is not the same thing as being God. And misinterpreting Christ's prophetic word that He would die, rise, ascend to the Father, and His gospel would produce many disciples also doesn't have anything to do with people becoming God. You're fancifully inventing things that aren't true do to your ignorance of scripture.

I can state emphatically that people can be saved, be sanctified, and ultimately glorified without ever becoming God because that's exactly what the Bible teaches.

The only clarity I see you espousing is deception born of ignorance.

First of all, I am not struggling with this at all. I am fully at peace with it and quite comfortable with this truth. I probably will soon let this thread go it's merry way, as I have made my case clear enough. It wasn't my intent to start a big debate about the topic, but rather to share it to some others who might get some light on the subject. However, I am also quite willing to defend my position on the subject (with scripture of course) as I have sought to do against those who would reject the deification thought and even call me a false heretical teacher. Something I have never accused of others who disagreed with me.

You say near top of this post that "divinity was never lost or removed" from man, being something to be recovered for man. I beg to differ. In the book of Genesis, we have the "Tree of Life" which was barred from man because of man's fall. What was the Tree of Life that was barred from man? What was man to do with the Tree of Life? He was to "eat of it". There is no doubt that the Tree of Life represented the very eternal life of God. It's significant that Jesus told us "I am the life"..."he who eats Me, shall live". There is little doubt that Jesus coming and offering Himself to us (to eat, partake of) is God restoring us (thru redemption) back to the Tree of Life, that was temporarily barred from man in Genesis. If Jesus is God incarnated (He is), then our being restored back to eating of the Tree of Life (Gods original intent for man made in His image and likeness) is very clearly showing us that man is to be in God, filled with Gods life, and living and producing the Godman living by becoming deified in the person of Christ as the many members of His body.

Also; you might want to read the CS Lewis link I posted near this post.

 

[84Niner]

So, what you are saying here is that God lied?

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

So, your children are in your image and after your likeness but they aren't human?

Yes, isn't it quite interesting that God made the fish, the cattle, the birds, etc.. after their own kind, yet when God made man He made man in the image and likeness of...God. Nobody would have thought it strange if God had just gone on to say "and man was made according to their own kind, male and female he made them." But this wasn't the case. God instead chose to say something very different and profound. In essence, that man was made according to God's kind. Don't know about you, but this is not all that hard to grasp for me. ;-)

 

[Galahad]

Is that worse than a liar?

Depends. The agnostic wouldn't know. The gnostic would need to know what the liar is lying about.
I say they are on the same level. Both full of deceit.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

I don' know whether to laugh at your ignorance and move on or spend my valuable time to refute it so that no simple minded person becomes deceived by your misinformation.

God stabilized biological life on earth by providing for the continuance of it. Each was to produce "according to their various kinds" (Gen. 1:11). Thus "plants yielding seed and fruit trees" were made "bearing fruit in which is their seed." The same was true of animals of the sea and land, each reproducing according to their kinds. Finally, humankind was told to continue to reproduce as well and take dominion over nature on earth (not heaven).

This has NOTHING to do with your false assertion and, instead, everything to do with God providing for the continuance of each kind of biological life He made.

Now when God made man, He certainly did so in the context of the Imago Dei. However, you're wrong about what the Imago Dei is and what it is not. Obviously, you don't understand ancient Hebrew.

As biblical scholars Dr. S. B. Ferguson and Dr. J. I. Packer state in the 'New dictionary of theology':

"Man was created ‘in’ (= ‘as’; the Heb. particle is the beth essentiae) the image (ṣelem) and likeness (demût) of God (Gn. 1:26–27). ‘Image’ suggests the idea of a statue or plastic representation (Eichrodt). ‘Likeness’ qualifies ‘image’ in two ways: 1. limitation—man is not identical to God; and 2. amplification—man is actually a reflection of God himself, and is to live as his created analogy."

Gushing over the profound importance of humanity's special created attributes (e.g. will, emotions, reason, ability to think and act creatively, ability to interact socially with others, etc..) is fine but it's completely fallacious and untrue of you to infer they equate to humans being God.

Now go to Genesis 5:3. “When Adam had lived a hundred and thirty years, he became the father of a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth.” Here, the Hebrew is simply saying that Seth shared some of Adam's attributes in line with God's design for biological reproduction.

Case closed. Thank you, drive through, you're holding up the line with your nonsense.

Yes, isn't it quite interesting that God made the fish, the cattle, the birds, etc.. after their own kind, yet when God made man He made man in the image and likeness of...God. Nobody would have thought it strange if God had just gone on to say "and man was made according to their own kind, male and female he made them." But this wasn't the case. God instead chose to say something very different and profound. In essence, that man was made according to God's kind. Don't know about you, but this is not all that hard to grasp for me. ;-)

 

[ChristInUs]

The defication of man is a stinking thing, I think you meant depravity.

 

[DesiredHaven]

Depends. The agnostic wouldn't know. The gnostic would need to know what the liar is lying about.
I say they are on the same level. Both full of deceit.

Which can be shown in the Lake of Fire?

 

[ChristInUs]

my bad yall are saying the deification of man well it's the same thing.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

You should be struggling with it though as your position is completely false. Being fully at peace and "quite comfortable" with something that isn't true only reveals the depth of your deception. Your heretical argument has been clearly refuted and the right thing to do is withdraw.

You've not started a big debate but rather revealed that you have patently heretical views about who and what you are. The truth is that you are NOT God and you are NEVER going to be God. Period.

Your ignorance and desire to be God has led you to grossly misinterpret scripture and read your desire to be God into the biblical text where it never existed.

What was the tree of life you ask? The tree was a symbol of eternal life embodied in an actual tree, just as the bread and wine of the Eucharist are symbols embodied in real bread and wine. When Adam and Eve were deceived by the devil, who lied and told them they could be like God if they disobeyed God and ate of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, they lost the ability to continue living biologically without the eventual experience of physical death. A state of undying biological life does not equate to being God. They were never divine nor either were their progeny including you.

Furthermore, when Jesus made statements such as "I am the bread of life" He was affirming that eternal life is to be had in Him alone. This does not correlate to you becoming God. One can live forever and never be God. Whether one's eternal destination is heaven or hell, they will not be God. Living forever is not the same as being God. You're making a false correlation, fallacious argument.

Truth is; however, found in correct correlation and there is a 1:1 relationship between teaching heresy and being a false teacher. It's because you teach heresy that you are a false teacher not because you believe it. It's really as simple as that.

As someone with an M.Div., I know the bible very well. I know what it says not just in English but it's original languages. And there is no doubt that you are WRONG.

First of all, I am not struggling with this at all. I am fully at peace with it and quite comfortable with this truth. I probably will soon let this thread go it's merry way, as I have made my case clear enough. It wasn't my intent to start a big debate about the topic, but rather to share it to some others who might get some light on the subject. However, I am also quite willing to defend my position on the subject (with scripture of course) as I have sought to do against those who would reject the deification thought and even call me a false heretical teacher. Something I have never accused of others who disagreed with me.

You say near top of this post that "divinity was never lost or removed" from man, being something to be recovered for man. I beg to differ. In the book of Genesis, we have the "Tree of Life" which was barred from man because of man's fall. What was the Tree of Life that was barred from man? What was man to do with the Tree of Life? He was to "eat of it". There is no doubt that the Tree of Life represented the very eternal life of God. It's significant that Jesus told us "I am the life"..."he who eats Me, shall live". There is little doubt that Jesus coming and offering Himself to us (to eat, partake of) is God restoring us (thru redemption) back to the Tree of Life, that was temporarily barred from man in Genesis. If Jesus is God incarnated (He is), then our being restored back to eating of the Tree of Life (Gods original intent for man made in His image and likeness) is very clearly showing us that man is to be in God, filled with Gods life, and living and producing the Godman living by becoming deified in the person of Christ as the many members of His body.

Also; you might want to read the CS Lewis link I posted near this post.

 

[Angela53510]

CS Lewis was a great writer and apologist. Having read most of his books, I have found many doctrinal errors. He was a member of the Church of England, which influenced his doctrine and besides, he was only a fallible man!

Not a god!

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Obviously not now or ever. He's deluding himself. God was prior to all things, produced all things, sustains all things, knows all things, can do all things, owns all things, is in control of all things, transcends all things, and rules over all things (including people who have deluded themselves into believing that they're going to be God) both now and forever.

The biblical, theological, and historical foundation of God's complete and sovereign control over all creation-past, present, and future- is firm. Historically, challenges both from within and without Christianity were easily refuted.

Read Dr. Norman Geisler's 'Systematic Theology: volume two' titled 'God and Creation' where those false assertions are easily refuted.

So by being deified, you have the attributes of God, right? Like omniscience, omnipresence and omnipotence?

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Which book of he canon did CS Lewis write? Oh, he didn't write any of them. That's right.

CS Lewis was a great writer and apologist. Having read most of his books, I have found many doctrinal errors. He was a member of the Church of England, which influenced his doctrine and besides, he was only a fallible man!

Not a god!

 

[84Niner]

You should be struggling with it though as your position is completely false. Being fully at peace and "quite comfortable" with something that isn't true only reveals the depth of your deception. Your heretical argument has been clearly refuted and the right thing to do is withdraw.

You've not started a big debate but rather revealed that you have patently heretical views about who and what you are. The truth is that you are NOT God and you are NEVER going to be God. Period.

Your ignorance and desire to be God has led you to grossly misinterpret scripture and read your desire to be God into the biblical text where it never existed.

What was the tree of life you ask? The tree was a symbol of eternal life embodied in an actual tree, just as the bread and wine of the Eucharist are symbols embodied in real bread and wine. When Adam and Eve were deceived by the devil, who lied and told them they could be like God if they disobeyed God and ate of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, they lost the ability to continue living biologically without the eventual experience of physical death. A state of undying biological life does not equate to being God. They were never divine nor either were their progeny including you.

Furthermore, when Jesus made statements such as "I am the bread of life" He was affirming that eternal life is to be had in Him alone. This does not correlate to you becoming God. One can live forever and never be God. Whether one's eternal destination is heaven or hell, they will not be God. Living forever is not the same as being God. You're making a false correlation, fallacious argument.

Truth is; however, found in correct correlation and there is a 1:1 relationship between teaching heresy and being a false teacher. It's because you teach heresy that you are a false teacher not because you believe it. It's really as simple as that.

As someone with an M.Div., I know the bible very well. I know what it says not just in English but it's original languages. And there is no doubt that you are WRONG.

My bad. I did not know you were a M.Div. (Master of Divinity). I suspect the Pharisees considered themselves Masters of Divinity too. Who am I to argue with such a one.

I have no intent to debate this any further and take up the time of Masters. I have made my case with the assist of scripture and past adherents to this subject matter. Unlike most of the naysayers who simply say "you are wrong.. This is rubbish... You are in error,".. and so on, with very little evidence to back up their claim against this view other than their "opinion." Disregarding the insight of someone like CS Lewis and others by stating that they didn't write any of the books of the Cannon, is laughable. Really? Tell me, did YOU write any books of the cannon??

I'm done.. moving on.