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And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden.....Genesis 2:8a
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved Acts 16:31
And the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us John 1:14
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. 1 Timothy 3:16
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 1 John 5:7
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved Acts 16:31
And the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us John 1:14
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. 1 Timothy 3:16
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 1 John 5:7
in my opinion, and beware, this is only my personal opinion.
Jesus on whom be peace, is not god, nor the son of God ... but the servant of God.
I can even call Jesus, the slave of God, and I believe Jesus would feel honored to be called in such a way. Since he lived all his life trying to please God, there is not a single thing in his life that he has not done for the sake of God. Jesus is the servant of God, a prophet, and a sign for mankind.
Jesus is the slave of God, and what a great title it is to be called ''slave'' of God. he used to pray in a specific way by putting his forehead on the ground as someone who submit to God's will. And all things in the heavens and the earth, willingly and unwillingly bow to Him (God).
I and this is only my personal opinion, again, but I believe Jesus would be made at you if you dare call him son of God. you might be laughing and I don't care, i'm just expressing my personal opinion, you might not agree and i respect that. but it seems to me that Jesus never claimed to be the son of God, nor called his people to worship him. In fact Jesus is a ''slave'' of God and everything he did was to please God the All-Mighty. Jesus was so Humble that he could not even bear the title of ''good master'' ...so how can you dare say Jesus said ''I am son of God'' ...while he never said such a thing. If you dare call Jesus God or son of God, then beware that these are your words, not his.
Jesus was so humble he could not even bear the title of ''good master'' ... remember and listen. Just try to understand me, please, and just try to imagine, a man comes to Jesus and he address him in these words ''Good master what shall I do to have eternal life ?''
and Jesus answer ''when you call be good, you call me God. for God Only is truly good. but to answer your question ...keep the commandment ''
Beware, that was a man whose only fault was to call Jesus ''good master''
How might Jesus react at someone who dare call him ''God'' or ''son of God'' ?
I dunno, what to say ... except that Jesus was amongst the best creation ever created. and he was made blessed by the Creator. Peace be upon him.
that is only my personal opinion, again. and if I said anything wrong, forgive me. sincerly,
Peace
Jesus on whom be peace, is not god, nor the son of God ... but the servant of God.
I can even call Jesus, the slave of God, and I believe Jesus would feel honored to be called in such a way. Since he lived all his life trying to please God, there is not a single thing in his life that he has not done for the sake of God. Jesus is the servant of God, a prophet, and a sign for mankind.
Jesus is the slave of God, and what a great title it is to be called ''slave'' of God. he used to pray in a specific way by putting his forehead on the ground as someone who submit to God's will. And all things in the heavens and the earth, willingly and unwillingly bow to Him (God).
I and this is only my personal opinion, again, but I believe Jesus would be made at you if you dare call him son of God. you might be laughing and I don't care, i'm just expressing my personal opinion, you might not agree and i respect that. but it seems to me that Jesus never claimed to be the son of God, nor called his people to worship him. In fact Jesus is a ''slave'' of God and everything he did was to please God the All-Mighty. Jesus was so Humble that he could not even bear the title of ''good master'' ...so how can you dare say Jesus said ''I am son of God'' ...while he never said such a thing. If you dare call Jesus God or son of God, then beware that these are your words, not his.
Jesus was so humble he could not even bear the title of ''good master'' ... remember and listen. Just try to understand me, please, and just try to imagine, a man comes to Jesus and he address him in these words ''Good master what shall I do to have eternal life ?''
and Jesus answer ''when you call be good, you call me God. for God Only is truly good. but to answer your question ...keep the commandment ''
Beware, that was a man whose only fault was to call Jesus ''good master''
How might Jesus react at someone who dare call him ''God'' or ''son of God'' ?
I dunno, what to say ... except that Jesus was amongst the best creation ever created. and he was made blessed by the Creator. Peace be upon him.
that is only my personal opinion, again. and if I said anything wrong, forgive me. sincerly,
Peace
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Jesus is the second member of the Godhead (Colossians2:9; Acts 17:29). David speaks of two of the three members twice:
Psalms 45:6:-7
6) Thy throne, O God is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.
7) Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above the fellows. (Hebrews 1:8-9)
Psalms 110:1
The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
From these two passages we see two being that are God, not gods but God. The reason David call Jesus his God, and said Jesus' God is because the Father and Son are equal, just as a man and woman are equal in marriage but the man is the head, so the Father is the head of the Son ( I Corinthians 11:3). For in any earthly father/son relationship, the father has authority over his son.
Think about the Trinity and the United States Government, our Government has three branches, yet we don't have 3 Governments but one. Just as the Godhead has Three Persons yet we don't have three gods, but ONE.
For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; He will save us. Isaiah 33:22
If Jesus isn't God, He can't be our Saviour (Isaiah 43:11 compare to Luke 2:11)
Could add more, but I think my post is to long already.
Psalms 45:6:-7
6) Thy throne, O God is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.
7) Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above the fellows. (Hebrews 1:8-9)
Psalms 110:1
The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
From these two passages we see two being that are God, not gods but God. The reason David call Jesus his God, and said Jesus' God is because the Father and Son are equal, just as a man and woman are equal in marriage but the man is the head, so the Father is the head of the Son ( I Corinthians 11:3). For in any earthly father/son relationship, the father has authority over his son.
Think about the Trinity and the United States Government, our Government has three branches, yet we don't have 3 Governments but one. Just as the Godhead has Three Persons yet we don't have three gods, but ONE.
For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; He will save us. Isaiah 33:22
If Jesus isn't God, He can't be our Saviour (Isaiah 43:11 compare to Luke 2:11)
Could add more, but I think my post is to long already.
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Al salam alaykum StraightPath, I understand you said "this is only my personal opinion" etc, but I just have a question for you.
Muslims, most of the time and I'm not imputing this on all Muslims of course but it's very consistent and a common tactic with them. You like to use passages in the bible like for example when Yeshua was called "Good master" and " ''when you call be good, you call me God. for God Only is truly good. but to answer your question ...keep the commandment '' " etc etc and all the other passages you quoted.
Now, as I said before it's a tactic used by a lot of Muslims but what I don't understand is why do you ignore the entire bible, say it's not inspired and it's corrupted. But then you go and quote verses that you happen to agree with? Is the bible now authoritative? Is the bible now inspired? I really don't understand, which is why I am asking.
Because if anyone here or myself were to give you scripture from the holy bible that proves Yeshua is God, you would deny it and say it's not authoritative, but you have no problem quoting other passages. So I am just curious do you believe the bible is inspired and specifically the English version. Is it corrupted and of any authority?
Thanks, may the Creator of Heaven and Earth bless you!
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To answer angelos's question, yes I do believe He is God
. Bless you!
Muslims, most of the time and I'm not imputing this on all Muslims of course but it's very consistent and a common tactic with them. You like to use passages in the bible like for example when Yeshua was called "Good master" and " ''when you call be good, you call me God. for God Only is truly good. but to answer your question ...keep the commandment '' " etc etc and all the other passages you quoted.
Now, as I said before it's a tactic used by a lot of Muslims but what I don't understand is why do you ignore the entire bible, say it's not inspired and it's corrupted. But then you go and quote verses that you happen to agree with? Is the bible now authoritative? Is the bible now inspired? I really don't understand, which is why I am asking.
Because if anyone here or myself were to give you scripture from the holy bible that proves Yeshua is God, you would deny it and say it's not authoritative, but you have no problem quoting other passages. So I am just curious do you believe the bible is inspired and specifically the English version. Is it corrupted and of any authority?
Thanks, may the Creator of Heaven and Earth bless you!
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To answer angelos's question, yes I do believe He is God
. Bless you!
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If you want to learn more I've found this site is pretty interesting http://www.answering-islam.org/
Al salam alaykum StraightPath, I understand you said "this is only my personal opinion" etc, but I just have a question for you.
Muslims, most of the time and I'm not imputing this on all Muslims of course but it's very consistent and a common tactic with them. You like to use passages in the bible like for example when Yeshua was called "Good master" and " ''when you call be good, you call me God. for God Only is truly good. but to answer your question ...keep the commandment '' " etc etc and all the other passages you quoted.
Now, as I said before it's a tactic used by a lot of Muslims but what I don't understand is why do you ignore the entire bible, say it's not inspired and it's corrupted. But then you go and quote verses that you happen to agree with? Is the bible now authoritative? Is the bible now inspired? I really don't understand, which is why I am asking.
Because if anyone here or myself were to give you scripture from the holy bible that proves Yeshua is God, you would deny it and say it's not authoritative, but you have no problem quoting other passages. So I am just curious do you believe the bible is inspired and specifically the English version. Is it corrupted and of any authority?
Thanks, may the Creator of Heaven and Earth bless you!
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To answer angelos's question, yes I do believe He is God. Bless you!
Muslims, most of the time and I'm not imputing this on all Muslims of course but it's very consistent and a common tactic with them. You like to use passages in the bible like for example when Yeshua was called "Good master" and " ''when you call be good, you call me God. for God Only is truly good. but to answer your question ...keep the commandment '' " etc etc and all the other passages you quoted.
Now, as I said before it's a tactic used by a lot of Muslims but what I don't understand is why do you ignore the entire bible, say it's not inspired and it's corrupted. But then you go and quote verses that you happen to agree with? Is the bible now authoritative? Is the bible now inspired? I really don't understand, which is why I am asking.
Because if anyone here or myself were to give you scripture from the holy bible that proves Yeshua is God, you would deny it and say it's not authoritative, but you have no problem quoting other passages. So I am just curious do you believe the bible is inspired and specifically the English version. Is it corrupted and of any authority?
Thanks, may the Creator of Heaven and Earth bless you!
**
To answer angelos's question, yes I do believe He is God
. Bless you!
In Acts 17: 6 Paul declares to the Jews: If you are lost, you yourselves must take the blame for it. I am not responsible. From now on I will go to the gentiles.
The notion of gods having children would have been very familiar to gentiles such as the Greeks. I suspect that Paul distorted the message of Jesus to make it more acceptable to this audience and thereby gain as many converts as possible as quickly as possible. that is just a personnal opinion, I do not know
Say: "O People of the Book! come to common terms as between us and you: that we worship none but God; that we associate no partners with Him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than God." If then they turn back, say ye: "Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to God's Will)." (Quran 3.64)
I believe in God, but belief is nothing without worship. I worship God and I set no partners beside Him, is it wrong, while the old testament command you to do the same.
Hear, Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord [Deut 6:4]
I, even I, am the Lord, and besides me there is no savior [Isaiah 43:11]
that is exactly what I believe, that Jesus, on whom be peace, got no power of intercession nor does Muhammad, nor does Moses nor Abraham ...If God intended me harm, are they removers of His harm; or if He intended me mercy, are they withholders of His mercy?" Say, "Sufficient for me is God ; upon Him [alone] rely the [wise] reliers.
you talk about ''tactics'' as if I had a plan behind my mind. as if I am playing a game or trying to trick people ... I just answered the question ''the deity of Jesus'' and i back-up my sayings with quotes from the bible. If I took theses quotes out of context, then correct me and put them back into context. Jesus is the ''slave'' of God and I have valuable reasons for believing so ... I have read the bible, the Red letter edition, and since what is writing in Red is what Jesus said, I advise you to open the book and read Only trough what Jesus says and then close the book, do not read anything else, do not hear from anyone else ... and let your mind and heart make up a decision ....to the question is Jesus a God ?
Thanks for the link, there is also a very similar link called called http://www.answering-christianity.com/
I do not go on either one or the other and I advise you to do the same. It is better for you.
I went on answering-islam.org and many other sites and just ask me and I will give you the links of hundreds of anti-islamic sites. I am grateful toward these people, and Only God knows how grateful I am toward the enemies of Islam ... they are the people that pushed me to investigate my own religion, witch at the time I knew very little on ... If there was no haters of Islam, I would not have had the knowledge I got today. If there was no haters of Islam, I might never had read the Quran nor the Bible ... so thanks to them ! for that I am not ungrateful.
Peace be upon you
but if you want my personal opinion and advise, do not go on either one or the other
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Yes that is what I thought, you only quote the scriptures in the bible that you agree with and they become inspired if they are inline your beliefs. So you don't really believe the bible is of any authority, only if it agrees with the Furqan. By "small errors" you mean every single passage that shows Yeshua is God. Got it, okay that's all I wanted to know.
Peace be upon you!
Peace be upon you!
The Bible says that Jesus is God manifest in the flesh.
The Bible says that the heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain God.
God cannot fit into a human body,for He would be outside of that body.
When the Bible says that God was manifest in the flesh,it means that God manifest all His attributes to the man Christ Jesus,and the Spirit in Christ is still connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God.
Jesus is the same as the saints,except Jesus is the fulness of God's attributes,and the saints have partial attributes.
Jesus is the only begotten Son of God,for He is the only one ever conceived by the Holy Spirit,where the saints are adopted into the kingdom.
The man Christ Jesus is the personal human body of the one true God,and the way the saints will see the invisible God in heaven.
God cannot be separated,and the Spirit in Christ is still connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God.Jesus is not another God,but the human body of the one true God,like when God showed Himself to Abraham,but Jesus is the permanent human bodily manifestation of God.
The Bible says that God is in all and through all,and we are in God,and we have our movement and being because of Him.
God is in all people.In the world God manifests no attributes but the ability to come to Him.In the saints God manifest partial attributes.In the man Christ Jesus God manifest all His attributes,for the Bible says that it pleased the Father that in Him all fulness should dwell,and God has given Him the Spirit without measure.
God is in all and through all,and God cannot be separated,and the Spirit in Christ is still connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God,and the man Christ Jesus is the human body of God,and the way the saints will see the one true God in heaven,for the throne in heaven is the throne of God and the Lamb.Jesus is the only person we will see in heaven as He lights the New Jerusalem with His presence.
Jesus at the right hand of God means that God gave all power and authority to the man Christ Jesus until a certain time.It does not mean that Jesus has a throne next to the Father.
The Bible says our mediator is the man Christ Jesus.Our savior is the man Christ Jesus,for only a sinless man can approach a holy God on man's behalf.No man is sinless so God manifest all His attributes to the man Christ Jesus.God reconciled sinful mankind back to Himself in the person of Jesus Christ,fully God and fully man in harmony,and all who have the Spirit are in harmony with God like the man Christ Jesus.
God manifest in the flesh means that God manifest all His attributes to the man Christ Jesus.Jesus is not another God but the visible manifestation of the one true God.
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace(Isaiah 9:6).
Matt
The Bible says that the heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain God.
God cannot fit into a human body,for He would be outside of that body.
When the Bible says that God was manifest in the flesh,it means that God manifest all His attributes to the man Christ Jesus,and the Spirit in Christ is still connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God.
Jesus is the same as the saints,except Jesus is the fulness of God's attributes,and the saints have partial attributes.
Jesus is the only begotten Son of God,for He is the only one ever conceived by the Holy Spirit,where the saints are adopted into the kingdom.
The man Christ Jesus is the personal human body of the one true God,and the way the saints will see the invisible God in heaven.
God cannot be separated,and the Spirit in Christ is still connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God.Jesus is not another God,but the human body of the one true God,like when God showed Himself to Abraham,but Jesus is the permanent human bodily manifestation of God.
The Bible says that God is in all and through all,and we are in God,and we have our movement and being because of Him.
God is in all people.In the world God manifests no attributes but the ability to come to Him.In the saints God manifest partial attributes.In the man Christ Jesus God manifest all His attributes,for the Bible says that it pleased the Father that in Him all fulness should dwell,and God has given Him the Spirit without measure.
God is in all and through all,and God cannot be separated,and the Spirit in Christ is still connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God,and the man Christ Jesus is the human body of God,and the way the saints will see the one true God in heaven,for the throne in heaven is the throne of God and the Lamb.Jesus is the only person we will see in heaven as He lights the New Jerusalem with His presence.
Jesus at the right hand of God means that God gave all power and authority to the man Christ Jesus until a certain time.It does not mean that Jesus has a throne next to the Father.
The Bible says our mediator is the man Christ Jesus.Our savior is the man Christ Jesus,for only a sinless man can approach a holy God on man's behalf.No man is sinless so God manifest all His attributes to the man Christ Jesus.God reconciled sinful mankind back to Himself in the person of Jesus Christ,fully God and fully man in harmony,and all who have the Spirit are in harmony with God like the man Christ Jesus.
God manifest in the flesh means that God manifest all His attributes to the man Christ Jesus.Jesus is not another God but the visible manifestation of the one true God.
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace(Isaiah 9:6).
Matt
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I thought it was another way to say the Quarn, I'll have to check with an Arabic speaker but according to wikipedia it says:
"Furqan may refer to: Furqan The 2nd name of "The Holy Quran"."
Furqan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"Furqan may refer to: Furqan The 2nd name of "The Holy Quran"."
Furqan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
My first language is not arabic, When I pray to God I pray in the language I wish ...and French is my favorite since it is my mother-tongue language.
But the Quran is part of the prayer, and when praying you have to recite the Quran in the original language as it has been revealed. of course in my mind I think in the French language, my thoughts are all and always in french ... and so.
Before Abraham was, I am
you see this quote, I have absolutely no difficulty to accept it.
Jesus was also BEFORE Mary was,
Relate in the Book (the story of) Mary, when she withdrew from her family to a place in the East. She placed a screen (to screen herself) from them; then We sent her our angel, and he appeared before her as a man in all respects. She said: "I seek refuge from thee to (God) Most Gracious: (come not near) if thou dost fear God." He said: "Nay, I am only a messenger from thy Lord, (to announce) to thee the gift of a holy son. She said: "How shall I have a son, seeing that no man has touched me, and I am not unchaste?" He said: "So (it will be): Thy Lord saith, 'that is easy for Me: and (We wish) to appoint him as a Sign unto men and a Mercy from Us':It is a matter (already) decreed."
Before Abraham was, Jesus was (a matter already decreed)
but this does not make Jesus son of God, nor does that is a claim from Jesus of his deity
but God:
He is God, the One other than Whom there is no god, the Knower of the hidden and the Manifest, the Compassionate, the Merciful. He is God, the One other than Whom there is no god, the Commander, the All-powerful, Pure and Without Defect, the Bestower of Safety, the Protector, the Precious, the Mighty, the Sublime, the Most Elevated. Exempt and purified be He from the partners which they ascribe to Him."(59:22-23)
Now, you tell me when you read the above verse, does it not make you reflect on a deeper level on ''who God is'' ?
But the Quran is part of the prayer, and when praying you have to recite the Quran in the original language as it has been revealed. of course in my mind I think in the French language, my thoughts are all and always in french ... and so.
Before Abraham was, I am
you see this quote, I have absolutely no difficulty to accept it.
Jesus was also BEFORE Mary was,
Relate in the Book (the story of) Mary, when she withdrew from her family to a place in the East. She placed a screen (to screen herself) from them; then We sent her our angel, and he appeared before her as a man in all respects. She said: "I seek refuge from thee to (God) Most Gracious: (come not near) if thou dost fear God." He said: "Nay, I am only a messenger from thy Lord, (to announce) to thee the gift of a holy son. She said: "How shall I have a son, seeing that no man has touched me, and I am not unchaste?" He said: "So (it will be): Thy Lord saith, 'that is easy for Me: and (We wish) to appoint him as a Sign unto men and a Mercy from Us':It is a matter (already) decreed."
Before Abraham was, Jesus was (a matter already decreed)
but this does not make Jesus son of God, nor does that is a claim from Jesus of his deity
but God:
He is God, the One other than Whom there is no god, the Knower of the hidden and the Manifest, the Compassionate, the Merciful. He is God, the One other than Whom there is no god, the Commander, the All-powerful, Pure and Without Defect, the Bestower of Safety, the Protector, the Precious, the Mighty, the Sublime, the Most Elevated. Exempt and purified be He from the partners which they ascribe to Him."(59:22-23)
Now, you tell me when you read the above verse, does it not make you reflect on a deeper level on ''who God is'' ?
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by ''small errors'' i mean not what you think.
by small errors I mean ... small errors ... for exemple
read the next two verses and tell me which one of them seems to make more sense:
1) We have created the heavens and the earth, and everything between them in six days, and no fatigue touched us
2) For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day He RESTED, and was REFRESHED
I know that God does not feel fatigue, and I know (hope) you believe that too...
Here is another verse that give a little support to the biblical claim that god ''rested'' during the seventh day, but, still the verse does not say that God ''rested'' ...
It is He who created the heavens and earth in six days and then established Himself above the Throne. He knows what penetrates into the earth and what emerges from it and what descends from the heaven and what ascends therein; and He is with you wherever you are. And God , of what you do, is Seeing.
that is what I mean by ''small errors''
Peace be upon you
by small errors I mean ... small errors ... for exemple
read the next two verses and tell me which one of them seems to make more sense:
1) We have created the heavens and the earth, and everything between them in six days, and no fatigue touched us
2) For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day He RESTED, and was REFRESHED
I know that God does not feel fatigue, and I know (hope) you believe that too...
Here is another verse that give a little support to the biblical claim that god ''rested'' during the seventh day, but, still the verse does not say that God ''rested'' ...
It is He who created the heavens and earth in six days and then established Himself above the Throne. He knows what penetrates into the earth and what emerges from it and what descends from the heaven and what ascends therein; and He is with you wherever you are. And God , of what you do, is Seeing.
that is what I mean by ''small errors''
Peace be upon you
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