The Doctrinal Belief of a Pre-Tribulation Resurrection. Is not spoken of in the Word of God. It was created by a sick and deranged woman

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False. All propecy will be fulfilled, the bulk of it pertaining to Israel and the millenial reign of King Jesus.
The millennium is a false Pharisee doctrine refuted by Jesus in the Gospels. Paul along with Jesus and Peter taught Amillennialism. The Church condemned Millennialism as heresy in 431. Saying Amillennialism is the biblical doctrine.
 

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The millennium is a false Pharisee doctrine refuted by Jesus in the Gospels. Paul along with Jesus and Peter taught Amillennialism. The Church condemned Millennialism as heresy in 431. Saying Amillennialism is the biblical doctrine.
This broken record just won't quit.

It will turn out that you will be identified as a Pharisee for disbelieving the Bible and rejecting the eternal reign of Christ on earth.

DANIEL 7: THE ETERNAL KINGDOM OF CHRIST ON EARTH IS A CERTAINTY

13 I [Daniel] saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of Man [Christ] came with the clouds of Heaven [all the saints and angels], and came to the Ancient of Days [God the Father], and they brought Him [Christ] near before Him [the Father].

14 And there was given Him [Christ] dominion, and glory, and a Kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve Him: His dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and His Kingdom that which shall not be destroyed...

18 But the saints of the most High shall take the Kingdom, and possess the Kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever...

22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the Kingdom...

27 And the Kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the Kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose Kingdom is an everlasting Kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey Him [Christ].
 

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That whole portion is a parable using the signified understanding spoken of in the opening of the book of Revelation 1:1. The parable in chapter 20 continues through the next chapter 21 when it identifies the city prepared as a bride.
Chapter 20 is parable and not prophecy?

What is your definition of parable and what is your definition of prophecy?
 
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Chapter 20 is parable and not prophecy?

What is your definition of parable and what is your definition of prophecy?

Chapter 20 is a parable as prophecy . Prophecy is the word of God. Parables are one of the manners he spoke by .Just like tongues another manner of prophecy.
 

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False. All propecy will be fulfilled, the bulk of it pertaining to Israel and the millenial reign of King Jesus.
Right. And this is what Acts 3:21 is making the point to say.


Also...

"And Jesus said to them, "Truly I say to you that in the regeneration, when the Son of Man shall sit down upon His throne of glory, you having followed Me, you also will sit on twelve thrones, judgING the twelve tribes of Israel." - Matthew 19:28 [<---SEE ALSO Matthew 25:31-34 for the (general) TIMING of this]
 

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Chapter 20 is a parable as prophecy . Prophecy is the word of God. Parables are one of the manners he spoke by .Just like tongues another manner of prophecy.
This is the definition of parable acvording to merriam webster

Did You Know?
Parable comes to us via Anglo-French from the Late Latin word parabola, which in turn comes from Greek parabolē, meaning "comparison." The word parabola may look familiar if you remember your geometry. The mathematical "parabola" refers to a kind of comparison between a fixed point and a straight line, resulting in a parabolic curve; it came to English from New Latin (Latin as used since the end of the medieval period, especially in scientific description and classification). "Parable," however, descends from Late Latin (the Latin language used by writers in the 3rd to 6th centuries). The Late Latin term parabola referred to verbal comparisons: it essentially meant "allegory" or "speech." Other English descendants of Late Latin parabola are "parole" and "palaver."


So parable is comparison

And prophecy is

Definition of prophecy
1 : an inspired utterance of a prophet
2 : the function or vocation of a prophet
specifically : the inspired declaration of divine will and purpose
3 : a prediction of something to come

Let use No 3 a prediction of something to come

And you say rev chapter 20 is both parable and prophecy.

And I Google, john wrote this prophecy in about AD 95

And because prophecy is prediction about future, so the story in rev 20 must happen after AD 95 not AD 70

Am I correct?
 

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Right. And this is what Acts 3:21 is making the point to say.


Also...

"And Jesus said to them, "Truly I say to you that in the regeneration, when the Son of Man shall sit down upon His throne of glory, you having followed Me, you also will sit on twelve thrones, judgING the twelve tribes of Israel." - Matthew 19:28 [<---SEE ALSO Matthew 25:31-34 for the (general) TIMING of this]
No faithful Christian could possibly deny these conise, precise, clear, unequivocal Scriptures.
A willfully rebellious Apostate could though.
 

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My mind is open to what the spirit reveals . .I would think we are all on a learning curve.

All three of the places are not to be understood literal. Not just the Peter reference.

Its the influence the gospel, the key that binds the spirit of error and loosens his grip on the individual .The binding and loosening key. The spiritual unseen understanding must be compared to the same .faith to faith .face to face.

In Mark 5 the Spirit of Christ uses section of history as parable to help understand.the parable in Revelation 20

When a new believer is freed by the gospel key; "Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit". the negative influence leaves not in apart but the whole legion as a new creature .

Mark 5 King James Version (KJV) And they came over unto the other side of the sea, into the country of the Gadarenes.And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit,Who had his dwelling among the tombs; and no man could bind him, no, not with chains:Because that he had been often bound with fetters and chains, and the chains had been plucked asunder by him, and the fetters broken in pieces: neither could any man tame him. And always, night and day, he was in the mountains, and in the tombs, crying, and cutting himself with stones.But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him,And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not. For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit. And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many. And he besought him much that he would not send them away out of the country. Mark 5:1-10

Jesus holds the binding and loosening key of heaven and hell .

And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.Revelation 20:1-3

The idea that he should deceive the nations no more is evident . The mystery in that parable is revealed God is the God of all the nations .The result of the reformation . Up until then the father of lies had the power to lead men according to what the eyes see the temporal.(walk by sight) The reformation reformed that kind of idea . The government is restored to the time period of Judges. No outward representation we walk by faith serving our unseen King of kings

We have the power of Christ reigning in these earthen bodies of death. That power to loose and bind simply is not of us

To say Christ is not reigning at all would mean the end has come.

We are the temple He is the key the open door. On the last day the letter of the law Death with be cast into the fire never to rise and condemn by corruption another creation. removing the the tool of the father of lies .the letter of the law. Then in our new bodies the enemy is gone.
That is just your opinion and your opinion has no value when compared to proper research and interpretation of the Word of God. There is no scripture that tells us that we should not interpret the Word of God as anything else except literally.
What proof do you have that the angel in Rev 20:1 is Christ?? There is not a single scripture that tells us that Christ is the angel with the chain in Rev. 20:1 which means that you are making assumptions because you can't back up your assumptions with scriptures. You want to be right so badly that you are willing to make erroneous assumptions which actually show you can't prove your point because it is wrong.
 
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This broken record just won't quit.

It will turn out that you will be identified as a Pharisee for disbelieving the Bible and rejecting the eternal reign of Christ on earth.

DANIEL 7: THE ETERNAL KINGDOM OF CHRIST ON EARTH IS A CERTAINTY

13 I [Daniel] saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of Man [Christ] came with the clouds of Heaven [all the saints and angels], and came to the Ancient of Days [God the Father], and they brought Him [Christ] near before Him [the Father].

14 And there was given Him [Christ] dominion, and glory, and a Kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve Him: His dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and His Kingdom that which shall not be destroyed...

18 But the saints of the most High shall take the Kingdom, and possess the Kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever...

22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the Kingdom...

27 And the Kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the Kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose Kingdom is an everlasting Kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey Him [Christ].
If you can prove the Pharisees right (millennium) and Jesus wrong (no millennium) you can put some teeth in what you say.
 

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My post is in opposition to postrib error.
It is painfully obvious. Beyond obvious that Jesus is framing a return (hence watching ,waiting,being prepared) BEFORE (as in not AFTER) the flood.
Both Noah and the wicked were "taken"
But you are saying,I am sure, the wicked are taken,right?

Then you transpose that into "one taken,one left" right?

Ok test fit it.
There is zero conclusiveness.
Make it say that "oh the wicked are always gathered first" (which is not true).
But two are in a bed,one taken,one left.
In no way is that a "wicked taken after noah is in the ark" dynamic.
Nothing of it fits.
Nothing of it is post judgement/postrib.

EVERYTHING of it is pretrib rapture.
Every example 100% pretrib.
Btw how in the world is the boat not floating away before those that evacuated to high ground?

But it is impossible to make any of the example of Noah some post flood escape or rapture.
That concept is we wildly false.
No postjudgement evacuation with lot or noah.
The postrib adherent has no traction biblically.
99% of their argument is to disqualify the opposition.
You are just simply wrong here. You force it to fit your view. Let's just simply look at what it says-
For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark. And they were oblivious, until the flood came and swept them all away. So will it be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40Two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. 41Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left.

"they were oblivious, until the flood came and swept them all away." okay right here who was "swept away"? That's right the wicked. So in exactly 1 verse "So will it be at the coming of the Son of Man", how does this indicate a switch of who is taken and who is "left behind" so to speak? As a matter of fact the verse does the exact opposite and says it will be just like that, one swept away, the other left behind, again in the example of Noah who is taken, who is left?
This is right when He tells us "Two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left." so again I ask where does this switch take place? Let's be honest here, you have to come to this text thinking "pretrib" in order to see what you're talking about here, not only that in my opinion you completely ignore the fact we are told the coming of the Son of Man will be the same way. Even if you disagree (obviously we do:)), you have to see how I'm drawing this conclusion from the text.

You are so certain of yourself but please step back a second and look at how much you're bringing to this text, all this is following the verse that records our King looking these men in their eyes and telling them-
"Truly I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have happened. Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will never pass away."
and yet I'm told that this verse is for us in 2020, and that my view isn't supported at all. Yet a verse that tells us about all the wicked being taken away by the flood, then within 1 sentence that says the exact opposite and that it will be just the same way. It just doesn't jive man. Not in my mind, not once my eyes have been open to these things.

Was this not why the first Christians were slaughtered and killed? They were proclaiming Jesus Christ King of all RIGHT NOW, and had to proclaim this truth to their unbelievably horrible deaths, not to "prove a point", of "make a statement", but it was because they had been changed completely, their hearts changed, their spirits resurrected and reconciled to His Spirit, and the TRUTH of God and His Son, our Savior Jesus the Christ. They could not deny the truth and to do so is not only them denying Him, but it would be hatred for everyone around them to do so. I'm sure this was why He granted them the strength to do so I imagine, for His glory.

Jesus is seated on His throne with all authority in heaven and on earth, King of the kingdom he brought that will know no end, a King that will rule with an iron rod until ALL enemies have been made a footstool for His feet. Our King rules in power, and His word is the power to save men. We are commanded to therefore go and make disciples of all nations baptizing them in the name of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.

Right?

I just want to end this comment by saying that I understand where you're coming from and I can't tell you how much I appreciate your engaging me on this subject as you have. You are a well thought out brother who stands on his beliefs and proclaims His name for His glory sake, and I recognize that. I feel the same way about many of you that have too, but these conversations can get passionate and I don';t want the brotherhood aspect of this to get lost in petty squabbles. So just understand that all this is new to me too, I'm on this journey like everyone else in Him, and I just want to learn and draw closer to truth every day. This is where He has led me at this point so I have to share it. I just never want to stop seeking, sharpening each other, and sharing with others the things of our God. So thank you brother.
I pray all is well with you and all your people and that we all grow closer daily. Amen
 
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You are just simply wrong here. You force it to fit your view. Let's just simply look at what it says-
For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark. And they were oblivious, until the flood came and swept them all away. So will it be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40Two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. 41Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left.

"they were oblivious, until the flood came and swept them all away." okay right here who was "swept away"? That's right the wicked. So in exactly 1 verse "So will it be at the coming of the Son of Man", how does this indicate a switch of who is taken and who is "left behind" so to speak? As a matter of fact the verse does the exact opposite and says it will be just like that, one swept away, the other left behind, again in the example of Noah who is taken, who is left?
This is right when He tells us "Two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left." so again I ask where does this switch take place? Let's be honest here, you have to come to this text thinking "pretrib" in order to see what you're talking about here, not only that in my opinion you completely ignore the fact we are told the coming of the Son of Man will be the same way. Even if you disagree (obviously we do:)), you have to see how I'm drawing this conclusion from the text.

You are so certain of yourself but please step back a second and look at how much you're bringing to this text, all this is following the verse that records our King looking these men in their eyes and telling them-
"Truly I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have happened. Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will never pass away."
and yet I'm told that this verse is for us in 2020, and that my view isn't supported at all. Yet a verse that tells us about all the wicked being taken away by the flood, then within 1 sentence that says the exact opposite and that it will be just the same way. It just doesn't jive man. Not in my mind, not once my eyes have been open to these things.

Was this not why the first Christians were slaughtered and killed? They were proclaiming Jesus Christ King of all RIGHT NOW, and had to proclaim this truth to their unbelievably horrible deaths, not to "prove a point", of "make a statement", but it was because they had been changed completely, their hearts changed, their spirits resurrected and reconciled to His Spirit, and the TRUTH of God and His Son, our Savior Jesus the Christ. They could not deny the truth and to do so is not only them denying Him, but it would be hatred for everyone around them to do so. I'm sure this was why He granted them the strength to do so I imagine, for His glory.

Jesus is seated on His throne with all authority in heaven and on earth, King of the kingdom he brought that will know no end, a King that will rule with an iron rod until ALL enemies have been made a footstool for His feet. Our King rules in power, and His word is the power to save men. We are commanded to therefore go and make disciples of all nations baptizing them in the name of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.

Right?

I just want to end this comment by saying that I understand where you're coming from and I can't tell you how much I appreciate your engaging me on this subject as you have. You are a well thought out brother who stands on his beliefs and proclaims His name for His glory sake, and I recognize that. I feel the same way about many of you that have too, but these conversations can get passionate and I don';t want the brotherhood aspect of this to get lost in petty squabbles. So just understand that all this is new to me too, I'm on this journey like everyone else in Him, and I just want to learn and draw closer to truth every day. This is where He has led me at this point so I have to share it. I just never want to stop seeking, sharpening each other, and sharing with others the things of our God. So thank you brother.
I pray all is well with you and all your people and that we all grow closer daily. Amen
Force fit "before"?

Let's try "after"
38 For as in the days that were before[nope after] the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,[hmmm,let's say after again here also]....noah entered after the judgement/flood.

39 And knew not until [after]the flood came, and took them all away;[after the judgement] so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.[after the flood]

Hmmmm.
What was that about force fitting again?
 

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Let me ask you question brother

Is these verse happen in AD 70


Rev 13
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.

10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
Rev 13
I don't know man, but all you keep doing here is jumping like a Mexican bean from topic to topic trying to pick my view apart, I can do the same to your view, but this gets us nowhere I'm finding. We need to just talk back and forth, not just take shots at each other then moving on. If you really want to sit down and discuss exactly how I thing that history matches these prophesies and why I think they've come to pass I would love to, but if this goes like it has I will write out a long response that addresses and explains these things, then I will be met with "so all the stars fell to earth"? I mean no real thought, no response to my answer, just jumping from subject to subject aimlessly. I still don't even understand your answer about the "3rd temple dilemma", I'm not at all satisfied with your answer, you had to add so much to the text that I think it's dangerously close to what Paul said we could not do.

Again I appreciate you and I hope I'm not coming across mean or condescending in any way, in my view we are just two brothers speaking on the things of the Lord.:D(y)
 
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Wow ...test fit your theories folks.
So crystal clear Jesus used Noah and Lot to showcase his gathering BEFORE the flood...trib
 
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I don't know man, but all you keep doing here is jumping like a Mexican bean from topic to topic trying to pick my view apart, I can do the same to your view, but this gets us nowhere I'm finding. We need to just talk back and forth, not just take shots at each other then moving on. If you really want to sit down and discuss exactly how I thing that history matches these prophesies and why I think they've come to pass I would love to, but if this goes like it has I will write out a long response that addresses and explains these things, then I will be met with "so all the stars fell to earth"? I mean no real thought, no response to my answer, just jumping from subject to subject aimlessly. I still don't even understand your answer about the "3rd temple dilemma", I'm not at all satisfied with your answer, you had to add so much to the text that I think it's dangerously close to what Paul said we could not do.

Again I appreciate you and I hope I'm not coming across mean or condescending in any way, in my view we are just two brothers speaking on the things of the Lord.:D(y)
I always appreciate your Christ like spirit.
Even though we mostly disagree on end times matters...good to keep the love and kindness in the forefront
You are a asset to the board
 

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I say again....NONE of the writings of the Apostolic fathers indicate the slightest notion of 70ad preterism. ALL said essentially the same thing....they were STILL WAITING for Jesus's imminent return and Rapture.

The preterist heresy is rejected by all true believers.
Wow really? the "true believers" That's a bit arrogant and dangerous don't you think? I'm not a true believer? How did you come to this knowledge? Why does this even have to divide us? Why can't we both just be brothers with a disagreement about an issue that doesn't have to do with salvation? I mean your comment here is saying you are a "true believers", and I am deceived and damned to hell, unless I repent and believe like you? Right? Do you not see the flaw in your approach and how you are the one wrong here? I only say this in love and truth. For DC in case he's still around, I do the same things sometimes, and should be called on it when I do, this is why fellowship is so important, we keep each other accountable, so please just take this for what it is and know I realize I'm bad too, I'm not trying to "teach" here, only point out a problem I saw.
 
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QUOTE """they were oblivious, until the flood came and swept them all away." okay right here who was "swept away"? That's right the wicked. So in exactly 1 verse "So will it be at the coming of the Son of Man", how does this indicate a switch of who is taken and who is "left behind" so to speak? As a matter of fact the verse does the exact opposite and says it will be just like that, one swept away, the other left behind, again in the example of Noah who is taken, who is left?""

So now you have all those "wicked".... destroyed BEFORE or at the very beginning of the trib.

Uh....nope
 
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You are just simply wrong here. You force it to fit your view. Let's just simply look at what it says-
For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark. And they were oblivious, until the flood came and swept them all away. So will it be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40Two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. 41Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left.

"they were oblivious, until the flood came and swept them all away." okay right here who was "swept away"? That's right the wicked. So in exactly 1 verse "So will it be at the coming of the Son of Man", how does this indicate a switch of who is taken and who is "left behind" so to speak? As a matter of fact the verse does the exact opposite and says it will be just like that, one swept away, the other left behind, again in the example of Noah who is taken, who is left?
This is right when He tells us "Two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left." so again I ask where does this switch take place? Let's be honest here, you have to come to this text thinking "pretrib" in order to see what you're talking about here, not only that in my opinion you completely ignore the fact we are told the coming of the Son of Man will be the same way. Even if you disagree (obviously we do:)), you have to see how I'm drawing this conclusion from the text.

You are so certain of yourself but please step back a second and look at how much you're bringing to this text, all this is following the verse that records our King looking these men in their eyes and telling them-
"Truly I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have happened. Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will never pass away."
and yet I'm told that this verse is for us in 2020, and that my view isn't supported at all. Yet a verse that tells us about all the wicked being taken away by the flood, then within 1 sentence that says the exact opposite and that it will be just the same way. It just doesn't jive man. Not in my mind, not once my eyes have been open to these things.

Was this not why the first Christians were slaughtered and killed? They were proclaiming Jesus Christ King of all RIGHT NOW, and had to proclaim this truth to their unbelievably horrible deaths, not to "prove a point", of "make a statement", but it was because they had been changed completely, their hearts changed, their spirits resurrected and reconciled to His Spirit, and the TRUTH of God and His Son, our Savior Jesus the Christ. They could not deny the truth and to do so is not only them denying Him, but it would be hatred for everyone around them to do so. I'm sure this was why He granted them the strength to do so I imagine, for His glory.

Jesus is seated on His throne with all authority in heaven and on earth, King of the kingdom he brought that will know no end, a King that will rule with an iron rod until ALL enemies have been made a footstool for His feet. Our King rules in power, and His word is the power to save men. We are commanded to therefore go and make disciples of all nations baptizing them in the name of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.

Right?

I just want to end this comment by saying that I understand where you're coming from and I can't tell you how much I appreciate your engaging me on this subject as you have. You are a well thought out brother who stands on his beliefs and proclaims His name for His glory sake, and I recognize that. I feel the same way about many of you that have too, but these conversations can get passionate and I don';t want the brotherhood aspect of this to get lost in petty squabbles. So just understand that all this is new to me too, I'm on this journey like everyone else in Him, and I just want to learn and draw closer to truth every day. This is where He has led me at this point so I have to share it. I just never want to stop seeking, sharpening each other, and sharing with others the things of our God. So thank you brother.
I pray all is well with you and all your people and that we all grow closer daily. Amen
Bro
There is no wicked taken before the righteous.

Even in rev 14,look at the 3 gatherings. Those rotten fruits are gathered last and thrown into the winepress.
The good fruit is first.
Firstfruits.
That word has "first" in it.
The "one left" are the same exact thing as the 5 foolish virgins.
Jesus was crystal clear that he was framing the rapture before the flood /trib
Could not be more clear
 

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I always appreciate your Christ like spirit.
Even though we mostly disagree on end times matters...good to keep the love and kindness in the forefront
You are a asset to the board
Thank you so much brother for these words, I mean it. I honestly wondered after a few back and forth's, if I was out of line. I didn't feel like I was attacking anyone or being ugly, but I just kept getting bad responses, but then Jackson123, and cv5, then Whisper started just speaking with me and showed me there are folks here that are not so offended to the point they won't even comment to me anymore. I don't want that, and I know my view is by FAR the least popular among mainstream "Christianity", so I was very slow to even speak about this here.

The problem I face is that it says that if I don't share the truth then I hate those I don't tell, but I wish people would understand I'm also here to learn because my views have grow too much since my rebirth for me to stop seeking everyday. This is why I ask so many questions, and ask then over and over until I get them to think about it and answer,I love you guys and gals, all my brothers and sisters here and don't want to have problems with any of them. I could go on and on (and usually do), but what I'm trying to say is thank you so much for the encouraging words. They mean a lot and it was just when I needed to hear them praise Jesus name, Thank you brother, very much. :)(y)(y)
 

Jimbone

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There is no wicked taken before the righteous.

Even in rev 14,look at the 3 gatherings. Those rotten fruits are gathered last and thrown into the winepress.
The good fruit is first.
Firstfruits.
That word has "first" in it.
The "one left" are the same exact thing as the 5 foolish virgins.
Jesus was crystal clear that he was framing the rapture before the flood /trib
Could not be more clear
I clearly explained my point, that is what happen, the wicked were swept away, there is no disputing this at all. What Jesus is referencing is the flood, where the wicked are swept away, then Jesus say, "just like this so will be the coming of the Son of man. Two will be in the field, one taken one left...." Now you tell me what justifies the flip of who goes and who stays. This is just what the text says. With all due respect, you have to add to His word to get what you're talking about out of these word. I mean I don't understand how these facts can be argued. I get what you're saying they mean, My question to you is, "what in the text leads you to believe that it's the righteous removed and the wicked that stay?" I know you've always been told that, taught that, shown this from your most respected teachers around, I have too, but it's my position now that's is not what it says, and I'd like to understand "why" you do, please sir.
 

Jackson123

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I don't know man, but all you keep doing here is jumping like a Mexican bean from topic to topic trying to pick my view apart, I can do the same to your view, but this gets us nowhere I'm finding. We need to just talk back and forth, not just take shots at each other then moving on. If you really want to sit down and discuss exactly how I thing that history matches these prophesies and why I think they've come to pass I would love to, but if this goes like it has I will write out a long response that addresses and explains these things, then I will be met with "so all the stars fell to earth"? I mean no real thought, no response to my answer, just jumping from subject to subject aimlessly. I still don't even understand your answer about the "3rd temple dilemma", I'm not at all satisfied with your answer, you had to add so much to the text that I think it's dangerously close to what Paul said we could not do.

Again I appreciate you and I hope I'm not coming across mean or condescending in any way, in my view we are just two brothers speaking on the things of the Lord.:D(y)
I am Sorry If my answere not satified you about third temple, but this response is to brother garee and he wasn't talk about third temple

If you want talk about third temple why I am not satified you, I am willing to hear from you for my

I don't know If It Will satified you or not, but I Will try he best from my limitation.