The doctrine of entire sanctification.

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justbyfaith

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@justbyfaith Hey, I have an actual question,
"after the original regeneration and sanctification, do you keep being sanctified? I mean, do you think we keep growing in holiness during our life?"
Hi @unelie,

That is an excellent question.

I think that once a person is sanctified wholly (1 Thessalonians 5:23-24 (kjv), Hebrews 10:14 (kjv), 1 John 3:9 (kjv)), there is no more growth in sanctification that can be acquired.

However, the attitude of those who are perfect is that they have room to grow (Philippians 3:12-15) and that we ought to press on towards greater holiness as we continue to walk with Christ..

Once a person is sanctified wholly, there is also a continual cleansing spoken of in 1 John 1:7 (if you look at the Greek verb tense of "cleanseth" it denotes a continual cleansing) wherein sin is cleansed from you even as it comes in from the outside (from the world, the flesh, and the devil).

So, in that sense we keep being sanctified even as we have been wholly sanctified.

But I would say that those who have been wholly sanctified will not think or claim that they are wholly sanctified; they will consider that they have not yet apprehended that goal.

While i think that it is a healthy proposition to believe that the goal is obtainable in this life; otherwise, there would be no striving for it; and I think that it is a healthy attitude for a believer to strive for perfection.
 
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The term "sinless perfection" has been used to describe entire sanctification in order to produce a straw man that is easily toppled by 1 John 1:8.

While the doctrine itself, does not purport that sin is eradicated from us, so that we might be without sin; but rather that sin, which indwells us as believers, can be rendered dead (Romans 6:6, Galatians 5:24, Romans 7:8) so that it no longer has any say over our behaviour.

Thus the following verses,

1Jo 1:8, If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

1Jo 3:5, And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
1Jo 3:6, Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1Jo 3:7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jo 3:8, He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1Jo 3:9, Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.


are not in contradiction to each other as they are taken literally; for they are also found within the immediate context of each other.

Here are a few other verses that show that entire sanctification is a viable doctrine in holy scripture.

1Th 5:23, And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
1Th 5:24, Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.


Heb 10:14, For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

1Jo 3:9, Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
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1Jo 3:7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.


1Jo 3:3, And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

1Jo 2:6, He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
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1Jo 3:6, Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.


1Jo 2:17, And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
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Jde 1:24, Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,


2Pe 1:10, Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

1Jo 2:10, He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.

These verses declare that the believer can indeed walk in consistent victory over sin in absolute freedom for an extended period of time.

Thus the heresy of "the inevitability of sin" is here refuted; and for those who desire it, the teaching that we can indeed be sanctified wholly will bring us to victory.

And, this is also good news to all those who have come to the same place in their hearts and minds that Paul spoke of in Romans 7:24.

Rom 7:24, O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

For in Romans 7:14-21, Paul is using the literary tactic of IDENTIFICATION; identifying himself as carnal in order to define carnality for his readers. He here becomes as weak in order to gain the weak (1 Corinthians 9:22).

In all reality the context bears out that in Romans 7:14-25 Paul is identifying the law of sin and death; and in Romans 8:2 he declares his victory over the law of sin and death.

If Paul were actually carnal when he wrote Romans 7:14-25, then he would not have been penning actual holy scripture. For it is written,

2Pe 1:20, Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
2Pe 1:21, For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.


Therefore in order for Paul to have been penning holy scripture, he had to be holy at the time.

I conclude that he was indeed using a literary tactic; in which he became as weak in order to win those who are weak (1 Corinthians 9:22).

His point?

That if anyone is truly born again and yet living a Romans 7:14-25 lifestyle, they will be discontented with such a lifestyle of sinning.

Therefore the doctrine of entire sanctification would indeed be good news to them.

Finally, the scriptures that I have given are divine promises; and in Romans 4:20-22 we find that righteousness is imputed to the one who believes in such divine promises that they will be accomplished in his or her life.

Rom 4:20, He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
Rom 4:21, And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
Rom 4:22, And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
Rom 4:23, Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
Rom 4:24, But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
But was Paul speaking as a Christian in Rom7:14-24?

my interpretation of 1John 3:9 &1John 1:8 is:
If you aksed most believers if you had to be sinless to be in a saved sate, they would reply ''no'' for they would know they are not perfect in the flesh(1John1:8)
However, if you asked most believers if you can continue to freely live a sinful lifestyle if you are saved, they would also reply 'no' iJohn3:9
 

justbyfaith

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In Romans 7:14-25, Paul was using the literary tactic of IDENTIFICATION to define the carnal person in order to save the carnal person (see 1 Corinthians 9:22).

Consider that in Romans 7:14, when Paul says "I am carnal" he is identifying himself as carnal in order to define carnality. For carnal is synonymous with "in the flesh" (see Romans 8:9).

Romans 7:14-25 tells us what is "the law of sin and death" (7:21,23, 8:2) as being a principle that "what I want to do, I don't do; and what I don't want to do, I do." (7:15,19) That, "when I would do good, evil is present with me" (7:21).

However, Paul himself was, at the junction of Romans 8:2, set free from the law of sin and death by the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus.

He was not truly carnal when he penned Romans 7:14 but was using a literary tactic (1 Corinthians 9:22).

For those who penned holy scripture were none other than holy men of God (2 Peter 1:20-21).
 

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my interpretation of 1John 3:9 &1John 1:8 is:
If you aksed most believers if you had to be sinless to be in a saved sate, they would reply ''no'' for they would know they are not perfect in the flesh(1John1:8)
However, if you asked most believers if you can continue to freely live a sinful lifestyle if you are saved, they would also reply 'no' iJohn3:9
I agree with your assessment.
 
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In Romans 7:14-24 Paul is speaking of his life as a pharisee. He was elaborating on verses7-11:

We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18 For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature.[c] For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.

21 So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22 For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; 23 but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. 24 What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death?

Firstly, Paul states he is sold as a slave to sin, yet in Rom6:16 he states:
Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?
So if Paul is speaking of his christian life in 7:14-24 he is condemning himself according to what he previously wrote
Secondly, in 7:14-24 it is without doubt he was a slave to sin, a slave has a master, yet in 6:14 he wrote:


For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.

All those verses are about sin and defeat. Paul wrote romans nearer to the end of his life than the begining. Did Paul really spend nearly his whole christian life not being able to do the good he wanted to do but only the evil he did not want to do? Those verses are a description of striving earnestly under righteousness of obeying the law. It leads to sin and defeat, though outwardly you can still act super holy(as the pharisees did)
For, the power of sin is the law 1Cor15:56
If you live under the power of sin, sin will naturally be your master
 

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1 Corinthians 15:56 is speaking of the fact that sin has the power to condemn because of the law;

Because where no law is there is no transgression (Romans 4:15) and therefore no sin (1 John 3:4).

Sin is not imputed where there is no law (Romans 5:13);

therefore the law does not have the power to condemn where there is no law because without the law sin will not be imputed.

This means what it says in 1 Corinthians 15:56 that sin only has the power to condemn because of the law.
 

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Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?
It is obvious to me that Paul is here declaring that it is possible to be a slave of obedience and that in being so one would not be a slave to sin.
 
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1 Corinthians 15:56 is speaking of the fact that sin has the power to condemn because of the law;

Because where no law is there is no transgression (Romans 4:15) and therefore no sin (1 John 3:4).

Sin is not imputed where there is no law (Romans 5:13);

therefore the law does not have the power to condemn where there is no law because without the law sin will not be imputed.

This means what it says in 1 Corinthians 15:56 that sin only has the power to condemn because of the law.
That is much of the story, but not all. Through Saul's knowledge of the commandment ''thou shalt not covet'' all manner of concupiscence was aroused in him. I will assume you know what concupiscence means.
It is basic hman nature, that the greater the risk in doing something, the more excitement it can bring to you. What greater risk could someone face who ardently lived under the law than to break it
 

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That is much of the story, but not all. Through Saul's knowledge of the commandment ''thou shalt not covet'' all manner of concupiscence was aroused in him. I will assume you know what concupiscence means.
It is basic hman nature, that the greater the risk in doing something, the more excitement it can bring to you. What greater risk could someone face who ardently lived under the law than to break it
Yes, Romans 7:7-13 speaks of what I call "The Wet Paint Principle".

I have created a document that relates the subject.

https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/the-wet-paint-principle-freedom-from-sin.201727/
 
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I think that you misunderstand me. I am not saying that anyone is righteous in the flesh.

The flesh is utterly sinful.

However, we do not have to walk according to the flesh (Romans 8:12).

If we walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit, the righteousness of the law will be fulfilled in us (Romans 8:4).

Whether you value my prayers or not, you have them.

Because you really need a change of mind.
I have tried to convey this very thing at our mens bible study.

With very little success.

Kinda disheartening to see them center Themselves in a sin consciousness
 
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For the one who has been justified ("declared righteous") through faith in Jesus, they will go to the bema seat judgment of Christ; where the judgment will be as concerning rewards rather than condemnation.

While, it is impossible for God to lie.

So, if He says that I am righteous (justification) then I am truly righteous (1 John 3:7, Romans 5:19, Matthew 5:6); even in the practical sense.
Yes. It is a by product of our covenant if our hearts are fixed on Jesus and we sell out radically to Him.

It is noteworthy that the word "overcomer" points to overcoming sin, the flesh, and the devil.

.....as did Jesus.