The early church didn't gather on the first day of the week...

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elf3

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Question...is my salvation dependant upon that I have accepted Jesus as my Lord and Savior and I live a Christ centered life OR what day I attend church service? This is an either/or question.
 

LEPIDUS

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Question...is my salvation dependant upon that I have accepted Jesus as my Lord and Savior and I live a Christ centered life OR what day I attend church service? This is an either/or question.
Your salvation is dependant on Christ. And he showed us how we are suppose to live.
 
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You can't buy on the Sabbath so when the Sabbath had passed it made it Friday a normal work day. She bought the spices on Friday, prepared them all day and now the seventh day Sabbath is upon them so they rested on the seventh day Sabbath according to the commandment. Early in the morning on the first Sabbath they came to the tomb.

You posted "when the Sabbath had passed it made it Friday"

You are going backwards with the days....Friday, then Saturday, then Sunday.
 
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are you kidding me??

the apostles lived with Jesus and followed Him everywhere He went, except when He went away by Himself to pray, 24/7 for 3 years!
they didn't go back to Galilee for 6 days out of the week! they walked with Him whenever He walked, ate with Him when He ate, and slept when He slept, EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK.

No kidding. No verse says God brought the disciples together to break bread/Lord's Supper other than the first day of the week, Acts 20:7.
 

LEPIDUS

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You posted "when the Sabbath had passed it made it Friday"

You are going backwards with the days....Friday, then Saturday, then Sunday.
He was talking in between The Sabbaths, there was a High Sabbath and a regular weekly Sabbath, so he is referring to the day in between those which was friday.
 
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1Th 4:11 And that ye study to be quiet, and to do your own business, and to work with your own hands, as we commanded you;

2Th 3:12 Now them that are such we command and exhort by our Lord Jesus Christ, that with quietness they work, and eat their own bread.

2Th 3:10 For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.

Seems telling to me that Paul practiced what he preached...

Act 18:1 After these things Paul departed from Athens, and came to Corinth;
Act 18:2 And found a certain Jew named Aquila, born in Pontus, lately come from Italy, with his wife Priscilla; (because that Claudius had commanded all Jews to depart from Rome:) and came unto them.
Act 18:3 And because he was of the same craft, he abode with them, and wrought: for by their occupation they were tentmakers.
Act 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

He worked as a tentmaker and preached on the Sabbath.

It was Paul's custom that when he went to a new town he found the synagogue, for that is where the Jews would naturally congregate and there he preached, reasoned them Christ and His NT out of the scripture. So Paul preached everywhere he went anytime he could but formal, corporate worship was on Sunday, first day of the week.

Ats 28:7-Paul would tarry 7 days so he could be with the disciples on the first day of the week per Acts 20:7, the Lord's Day as he did in Acts 20:6,7 and Acts 21:4.
 
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Question...is my salvation dependant upon that I have accepted Jesus as my Lord and Savior and I live a Christ centered life OR what day I attend church service? This is an either/or question.
You are asking the wrong question. You should be asking, "Will I practice righteousness if I'm saved?". The answer is, yes. How about this question? Will I practice righteousness if I'm righteous? The answer is, yes. Obedience is the fruit of salvation not the means to it.
 

LEPIDUS

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You are asking the wrong question. You should be asking, "Will I practice righteousness if I'm saved?". The answer is, yes. How about this question? Will I practice righteousness if I'm righteous? The answer is, yes. Obedience is the fruit of salvation not the means to it.
yes and partial obedience is still disobedience.
 
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elf3

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You are asking the wrong question. You should be asking, "Will I practice righteousness if I'm saved?". The answer is, yes. How about this question? Will I practice righteousness if I'm righteous? The answer is, yes. Obedience is the fruit of salvation not the means to it.
No actually you are asking the wrong question. You should be asking....is what day I attend service more important than my relationship to Jesus.
 
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No actually you are asking the wrong question. You should be asking....is what day I attend service more important than my relationship to Jesus.
The fruit of how people respond to truth tells me where they are with Jesus.
 
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He was talking in between The Sabbaths, there was a High Sabbath and a regular weekly Sabbath, so he is referring to the day in between those which was friday.

Both would have past.

As one commentator noted "Matthew has "At the end of the sabbaths (plural)" which recognizes the fact of their having been back-to-back sabbaths due to the 15th of Nisan falling on a Friday. Mark's mention of only one (Sabbath) is characteristic, just as he mentioned the healing of only one blind man at Jericho (Mark 10:46), whereas there were actually two (Matthew 20:30); and just as he mentioned only the colt (Mark 11:2), whereas both the colt and its mother were brought (Matthew 21:2); and just as he mentioned only one angel (Mark 16:5), whereas there were two (Luke 24:4). Inherent in Mark's purpose of composing a short, abbreviated Gospel was the necessity for leaving out a great many things that could have been related."
Coffman Commentary




 
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Huh, ok sir tell me where am i with Jesus
Still growing like everyone else. Everything will be sorted out on the last day. Remember, the wheat and tares look alike.
 
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elf3

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Still growing like everyone else. Everything will be sorted out on the last day. Remember, the wheat and tares look alike.
Yep this includes you too.
 
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elf3

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Scuba my brother in Christ,

Let me try to define my point this way. Back in the day, way back when the gospel was given also to the gentiles we had a mixture of cultures. We had those of Jewish tradition and we had non Jewish mixing together to hear the good news. Because those of Jewish tradition kept the Sabbath (on Saturday) the early church would meet on Sunday (and through out the week). So the early gentile Christians basically made it tradition to meet on Sunday. Thus Sunday became the "holy" day of the Christian church. If we stick to the ceremonial laws of God Saturday would be the Sabbath. But the finished work of Christ deleted all ceremonial laws of God and man. Thus making the Saturday Sabbath in a way obsolete.
One thing that the finished work of Christ did not do was delete the moral laws of God. God will not change His moral laws.
Now the Sabbath is also a moral law in that God knew we as humans would need a day to "refresh" from a week of work. So we still need to obey that law and give a day to God away from our 9-5 grind. But since we became under the New Covenant, the day gentiles gathered was Sunday I believe God honors that because to the gentiles that day became holy.
The Jewish traditional Sabbath is Saturday the gentile traditional Sabbath is Sunday.
I have no problem either way because no matter if we are not of Jewish tradition or of Jewish tradition we still give God, His day.

Brother let's not tear each other up over this. Let's build each other up so one day we can meet in the presence of God, give a high five and say "Praise God in the highest!"....Together.
 
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Scuba my brother in Christ,

Let me try to define my point this way. Back in the day, way back when the gospel was given also to the gentiles we had a mixture of cultures. We had those of Jewish tradition and we had non Jewish mixing together to hear the good news. Because those of Jewish tradition kept the Sabbath (on Saturday) the early church would meet on Sunday (and through out the week). So the early gentile Christians basically made it tradition to meet on Sunday. Thus Sunday became the "holy" day of the Christian church. If we stick to the ceremonial laws of God Saturday would be the Sabbath. But the finished work of Christ deleted all ceremonial laws of God and man. Thus making the Saturday Sabbath in a way obsolete.
One thing that the finished work of Christ did not do was delete the moral laws of God. God will not change His moral laws.
Now the Sabbath is also a moral law in that God knew we as humans would need a day to "refresh" from a week of work. So we still need to obey that law and give a day to God away from our 9-5 grind. But since we became under the New Covenant, the day gentiles gathered was Sunday I believe God honors that because to the gentiles that day became holy.
The Jewish traditional Sabbath is Saturday the gentile traditional Sabbath is Sunday.
I have no problem either way because no matter if we are not of Jewish tradition or of Jewish tradition we still give God, His day.

Brother let's not tear each other up over this. Let's build each other up so one day we can meet in the presence of God, give a high five and say "Praise God in the highest!"....Together.
There is no Jewish Sabbath and Christian Sabbath. It's the Sabbath of the LORD thy God and in this we find unity. Amen!
 
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Do you know what Jesus meant when He said "It is finished." In John 19:30? Do you know what the finished work of Christ is? Do you know what He accomplished? If you do then please "enlighten" me.
 
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Kerry

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you know y'all are right and man y'all are smart they didn't gather on Sunday or Saturday. they gathered everyday.
 

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In order to come to the truth today you have to separate yourself from mainline teachings and allow God to lead you no matter where He takes you. In doing this you will need to untie and allow God to retie many of the things you've once believed. Let's start with how we came to believe that the early church gathered on the first day. First of all know that this contradicts the whole Bible, God's plan and distorts creation week itself.

God has given us His timeline of evens in Leviticus but man has turned away from using God's map, as a result, we are following a system that rose up and changed God's times and Law. This was prophesied by God to happen so don't be shocked that it did. Jesus had to die on Passover because He was the fulfillment of the Law. If He didn't follow God's timeline then He is not the Messiah. The day after Passover was the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread. This day was a Sabbath, but not just an ordinary Sabbath, it was a high Sabbath because it only came once a year. The next day was a regular work day then came the seventh day Sabbath. After the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread they were instructed to count seven Sabbaths and then add a day which makes 50. During the week of Jesus' crucifixion they were counting the Sabbaths. So it wasn't the first day of the week, it was the first Sabbath. The first Sabbath of the seven that they needed to count. Listen to how they would count Sabbaths.

Luke 6:1 Now it happened on the second Sabbath after the first that He went through the grain fields.

Notice Luke counting the Sabbaths. He says whatever happened happened on the second Sabbath after the first Sabbath. He is counting the Sabbaths. This is very important to grasp because this is where the Beast kingdom has done some tweaking to change God's seventh day Sabbath.

Mark 16:2 Very early in the morning, on the first day of the week, they came to the tomb when the sun had risen.

The words, "on the first day of the week" are not accurate. The words, "day of the week" should not be there. What should be there is Sabbath. The verses should read like this, "On the first Sabbath" not "On the first day of the week".

Remember, there were two Sabbaths on the week of Jesus' crucifixion with a normal work day in between. Jesus died on Passover, which was Wednesday then came the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, this was a high Sabbath. Mary bought the spices after the high Sabbath, which was (Thursday) that first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, she prepared the spices all day (Friday) and then she rested on the seventh day Sabbath (Saturday).

Take some time a check this out. You will have to do a little leg work but if you're hungry you will. Be blessed and grow...
Well stated!! May I add to this?

Act 20:6 And we sailed away from Philippi after the days of unleavened bread, and came unto them to Troas in five days; where we abode seven days.
Act 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

Here in Acts 20:7 we find again a misphrase. It should read "upon the first Sabbath", which as shown by context of the previous verse is talking about the Feast of Unleavened Bread. There is no "the" in Greek and the translators added this word.

Also we have Mark 16:2 which states "Mar 16:2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun. "

Again there is no "the" in the Greeek and was added by translators (KJV always puts words that are added in italics). and the phrase "first day of the week" is again just like Acts 20:7 should have read "first of Sabbaths" which is the beginning count from the Feast of Unleavened Bread to Shavuot/Pentecost, the counting of 7 Sabbaths plus 1 day.

Also, I want to challenge someone's comment that there are never two Sabbaths in a row, back to back. That is not true. Looking at the Hillell II calendar I find that the 15th of the first month falls on a Sunday in 2008, that is to say it falls immediately after the weekly Sabbath which was Nisan 14. There you have the weekly Sabbath and the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, a High Sabbath, back to back.