The 'ELECT' vs 'Free-Choice'
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ahem...if I may
what I was actually getting at, is the nouveau (at least to me) doctrine that we have 2 classes of believers according to some
we have the elect, that have no choice and God sent them to earth basically already saved (yes that was actually said but in another thread and I can look for it if the author denies it I suppose)
and then we have the proliteriat who can choose....kind of like festivus for the rest of us
no mention of Calvinsim because that is not in the recipie
I thought we might get it sorted it out, but things are worse than I thought.
sorry...
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Well Job waa someone God knew would not curse him.
Job knew God loved him,.but how did he know.
How did he know not to curse God.
That was obviously a choice given to Job and it was so obviously a law for all man, remember i showed you the voice of God speaks to everyone
Was it Jobs choice like any other man he had all knowledge of Good and evil.
I'm not sure you know where I'm going
So I'll tell you what my main concern is
I see it's about surrendering to his choice and his knowledge,
Not out of choice but out of surrendering
I see surrendering to his will and choice not having anything to do with your choice or mine but everything to do with the knowledge we already have.
That's the code in which I live by which is consistent right through out the bible
Job knew God loved him,.but how did he know.
How did he know not to curse God.
That was obviously a choice given to Job and it was so obviously a law for all man, remember i showed you the voice of God speaks to everyone
Was it Jobs choice like any other man he had all knowledge of Good and evil.
I'm not sure you know where I'm going
So I'll tell you what my main concern is
I see it's about surrendering to his choice and his knowledge,
Not out of choice but out of surrendering
I see surrendering to his will and choice not having anything to do with your choice or mine but everything to do with the knowledge we already have.
That's the code in which I live by which is consistent right through out the bible
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I did not introduce two different topics, since I am questioning you on what you said, when
you called having no choice in the matter of belief a crazy idea... and also hogwash.
What you said here: You are asking about some crazy idea that some can't choose salvation
because they are Elected and others can. I think everyone would agree this notion is hogwash.
But I am also curious about regeneration and its relationship to one's choice in salvation.
Some say regeneration is being born again, at which point a person is saved, and yet here you have said regeneration simply makes it possible to move toward Christ, which in my mind, means they have not yet been born again/saved because they are as yet devoid of faith. I could be wrong, and there is a lot of "ink" given to this particular aspect of salvation. So my question to you along this line of thought would be, does regeneration in your view equal being born again? Is it tied to circumcision of the heart, and if so, how, or is it the same thing, or does that happen later? And if it happens later, and it is not regeneration, what is entailed, in your view, in regeneration? Please accept my apologies for asking so many questions on this topic, as they do seem to all be inextricably linked and/or related.
you called having no choice in the matter of belief a crazy idea... and also hogwash.
What you said here: You are asking about some crazy idea that some can't choose salvation
because they are Elected and others can. I think everyone would agree this notion is hogwash.
But I am also curious about regeneration and its relationship to one's choice in salvation.
Some say regeneration is being born again, at which point a person is saved, and yet here you have said regeneration simply makes it possible to move toward Christ, which in my mind, means they have not yet been born again/saved because they are as yet devoid of faith. I could be wrong, and there is a lot of "ink" given to this particular aspect of salvation. So my question to you along this line of thought would be, does regeneration in your view equal being born again? Is it tied to circumcision of the heart, and if so, how, or is it the same thing, or does that happen later? And if it happens later, and it is not regeneration, what is entailed, in your view, in regeneration? Please accept my apologies for asking so many questions on this topic, as they do seem to all be inextricably linked and/or related.
*Shrug* Thumbs down and other negative reaction emojis don't bother me.
I mean, good grief! It's just emojis! WHO CARES??? Lol!
I don't know if you realize but I was trying to calm you down. You were starting to act like a caged animal.
I'm wondering why you're being vindictive though. You were the one who introduced a false concept and then made false accusations against other people to try to save face. You're not abiding in Christ in any of that. Aren't you worried what God will do to you if you continue to disobey Him in this? Because if you're really His child, He would not want you to continue to deal with this in such an ungodly manner and will have to discipline you.
So just calm down. This doesn't have to get worse!
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*Shrug* Thumbs down and other negative reaction emojis don't bother me.
I mean, good grief! It's just emojis! WHO CARES??? Lol!
I don't know if you realize but I was trying to calm you down. You were starting to act like a caged animal.
I'm wondering why you're being vindictive though. You were the one who introduced a false concept and then made false accusations against other people to try to save face. You're not abiding in Christ in any of that. Aren't you worried what God will do to you if you continue to disobey Him in this? Because if you're really His child, He would not want you to continue to deal with this in such an ungodly manner and will have to discipline you.
So just calm down. This doesn't have to get worse!
🥧
I mean, good grief! It's just emojis! WHO CARES??? Lol!
I don't know if you realize but I was trying to calm you down. You were starting to act like a caged animal.
I'm wondering why you're being vindictive though. You were the one who introduced a false concept and then made false accusations against other people to try to save face. You're not abiding in Christ in any of that. Aren't you worried what God will do to you if you continue to disobey Him in this? Because if you're really His child, He would not want you to continue to deal with this in such an ungodly manner and will have to discipline you.
So just calm down. This doesn't have to get worse!
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those building stones might have some cracks in them
