The 'ELECT' vs 'Free-Choice'

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Genez

Genez

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selahsays said:
I wish people would just study their Bibles. They don’t even recognize truth when they read it. They read scripture, but they don’t understand any of it. And in their insecurity, they get mean and falsely accuse those who are trying to simply discuss in an iron-sharpening-iron way. They lash out because they have no ears to hear.

Oh well, what are you gonna do? Niki and 2nd aren’t able to debate nicely in a Christian fashion. Perhaps, well, I better not say. …
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Well? Is everyone a living stone?

You say, "know your Scripture."
If you lay claim to having to knowing your Scripture?
You should know how living stone is to be applied.

Is everyone a living stone as he said," everyone" ?

He can misuse a good term that is designed to introduce confusion.
God is not the author of confusion.
 
Thunderrr-mental

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Genez said:
He is not a prophet. He is a psychic.

I have had contact with some and they are in touch with a secret world that makes them feel they are above everyone who is oblivious to the demonic powers that flow amongst people effecting their lives.

Its why God warned against false prophets, and even demanded capital punishment for them in the OT.

We can know its demonic by how his words keep trying to tear down any cohesive narrative when some try to delve into better clarifying a doctrinal point. He's that attention seeking pain we knew in class that the teacher had to stop teaching and reprimand... He thinks he is better than everyone else because demons always guide him to what he thinks is safety...

To the Lord? He is like the boy that cried wolf...

Unless he humbles himself and repents, the sand in God's hourglass is running out on his allotted time for correction.

Remember... That boy that cried wolf used to laugh at the people who came to his aid like they were fools. Until they listened no more.
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Do you know the phrase your like a broken record
 
Thunderrr-mental

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Genez said:
Well? Is everyone a living stone?

You say, "know your Scripture."
If you lay claim to having to knowing your Scripture?
You should know how living stone is to be applied.

Is everyone a living stone as he said," everyone" ?

He can misuse a good term that is designed to introduce confusion.
God is not the author of confusion.
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yes everyone is a living stone being waiting or being built in to a more precious stone.

Scripture says so

It's just your a chosen Jew who sees no different.

And also you have this chip on your shoulder believing people see Jews as degenerate.

Obviously your a donkey
 
Genez

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Thunderrr-mental said:
I don't recall the scripture saying the 144000 where all Jewish
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So what. You "spirits will guide you into all truth."

Yes, they will be. From the twelve tribes of Israel they will come.


Revelation 7:4-8


Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.

From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed,

from the tribe of Reuben 12,000,

from the tribe of Gad 12,000,

from the tribe of Asher 12,000,

from the tribe of Naphtali 12,000,

from the tribe of Manasseh 12,000,

from the tribe of Simeon 12,000,

from the tribe of Levi 12,000,

from the tribe of Issachar 12,000,

from the tribe of Zebulun 12,000,

from the tribe of Joseph 12,000,

from the tribe of Benjamin 12,000.
 
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Genez said:
He is not a prophet. He is a psychic.

I have had contact with some and they are in touch with a secret world that makes them feel they are above everyone who is oblivious to the demonic powers that flow amongst people effecting their lives.

Its why God warned against false prophets, and even demanded capital punishment for them in the OT.

We can know its demonic by how his words keep trying to tear down any cohesive narrative when some try to delve into better clarifying a doctrinal point. He's that attention seeking pain we knew in class that the teacher had to stop teaching and reprimand... He thinks he is better than everyone else because demons always guide him to what he thinks is safety...

To the Lord? He is like the boy that cried wolf...

Unless he humbles himself and repents, the sand in God's hourglass is running out on his allotted time for correction.

Remember... That boy that cried wolf used to laugh at the people who came to his aid like they were fools. Until they listened no more.
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Of course he is not a prophet. Best left to his own devices.
 
Thunderrr-mental

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Niki7 said:
Of course he is not a prophet. Best left to his own devices.
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well when are you going to admit to the house you started this thread just to gossip about one certain individual.

I bet you can't can you
 
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Genez said:
Read the book of Revelation and see how God knows who will be alive during the Tribulation.

He does not name people by name... He names them by saying what their choices will be.
He already knows who the 144,000 Jewish evangelists will be.
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That does not mean they are alive before the world began.

Can you show this in scripture
 
Magenta

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Cameron143 said:
Do you make a choice to believe something or is it you that you believe or do not believe?













When new information is given to you, do you make a conscious choice to believe it or not or do you simply believe it or not? It is the nature of belief, and faith, to either possess it or not.
Out of belief come our choices.
In your example, which people chose life? Which chose death? Obviously, that is determined by what each believed.
Our belief can be altered by new information. This is why God employs the gospel in salvation. It is His deliberate attempt to alter previously held belief, and that by doing so, He will influence their choices. When God gives ears that hear and eyes that perceive, information is received in a new manner. It literally changes an individual's understanding,and thus, their belief. Faith is the new understanding about the individual's actual estate before God. And it changes the individual's choices. Acts 2:37 is an actual example of this in real life. They heard for the first time...they were given understanding. This, coupled with the circumcision of their hearts, is what led to a different response or choice on their part. Had this occurred to everyone who listened to Peter's words that day, everyone there would have likewise responded.
The estate of fallen man has left him with enough of his faculties to be guilty before God, but has rendered him helpless to do anything about it. If God does not come to an individual and rescue them from position, they will die in their sins. So while men do make choices, those choices are always subject to what they actually believe.
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I choose to believe there are no cookie-cutter answers to this question, and that how consciousness works is largely a mystery, though many books have been written to help people make better choices in life. God also desires people to choose life, which is in His Son, and this is made plain in Scripture. I also know that a choice was put to me at a time in my life when I was incapable of choosing to believe. Following that, many things happened, some of which propelled, not compelled, me onto a path that eventually led me to coming to believe. Wrapped up in that was my awareness that I had finally laid down my opposition to God and all things Biblical, including Christianity, though not before wailing, I am becoming one of them. Did I choose that? I did not make choices then that impeded such. This whole idea of choice being conflated with the will and our ability to make choices being called free will is wrong, and I know we agree on that. So much of the rest of it seems to be somewhat a difference in semantics. Still, God says to choose life, and there is only one way to do that.
 
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Genez said:
You use the word "hate." Actually, we 'discern' you...
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I would just leave him. Some people here work in tandem trying to get others banned. I think people are on to what he does and most ignore him. You certainly cannot reason with him.

There are some things that if said, even if true, are against the TOS and people sometimes get banned. It's not worth getting banned over.

No one has to listen to me, but ignoring the constant invitation for a brawl is best IMO. We even have a convenient ignore button
 
Genez

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Thunderrr-mental said:
well when are you going to admit to the house you started this thread just to gossip about one certain individual.

I bet you can't can you
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Careful.....

You are getting all the attention you wanted for now....

But, in the end you will have nothing unless you find yourself able to stop lusting and repent.

Its called "approbation lust." I wonder if there is also a term for attention lust.

You came here for God to expose you to yourself.
 
Thunderrr-mental

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Niki7 said:
I would just leave him. Some people here work in tandem trying to get others banned. I think people are on to what he does and most ignore him. You certainly cannot reason with him.

There are some things that if said, even if true, are against the TOS and people sometimes get banned. It's not worth getting banned over.

No one has to listen to me, but ignoring the constant invitation for a brawl is best IMO. We even have a convenient ignore button
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Looks like the gossips are doing there rounds again.

You should pass your friend an apron and some lipstick.

It will suit him 😁
 
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Genez said:
Careful.....

You are getting all the attention you wanted for now....

But, in the end you will have nothing unless you find yourself able to stop lusting and repent.

Its called "approbation lust." I wonder if there is also a term for attention lust.

You came here for God to expose you to yourself.
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I think it is time to stop feeding the trolls..
 
Thunderrr-mental

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Genez said:
Careful.....

You are getting all the attention you wanted for now....

But, in the end you will have nothing unless you find yourself able to stop lusting and repent.

Its called "approbation lust." I wonder if there is also a term for attention lust.

You came here for God to expose you to yourself.
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you know I've seen better wind ups in a school full of adolescents.

You don't have a chance of winding me up.

I'm still waiting for you to show the scripture that says the 1444000 are all Jewish evangelists.

Obviously you won't admits your error to the house of the lord

Almost all Jews never do.

It's why there in exile
 
Genez

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Everlasting-Grace said:
I think it is time to stop feeding the trolls..
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If can all agree to put him on Ignore? It would be good.

If only a few do?
He will keep interrupting and disrupting any study that could have been meaningful...
 
Thunderrr-mental

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Genez said:
If can all agree to put him on Ignore? It would be good.

If only a few do?
He will keep interrupting and disrupting any study that could have been meaningful...
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Serving two masters is not wise and looking for support for hatred is your downfall


 
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