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We are now leaving the realm of kindergarten rapture perspective, and proceeding into the Word (part 1).
In the King James Bible there are only three areas in which we find the description "caught up", where individuals are caught up to heaven.
The "caught up" in 1 Thessalonians 4:17 we know as the one in which the current rapture perspective is based.
In 2 Corinthians 12:2 & 4 Paul describes an individual having been "caught up" up to heaven, but then later this individual relates his experience to Paul on the earth, thereby indicating the individual still present on earth.
The third area in which being "caught up" to heaven is described is in Revelation 12:5, where a travailing woman after giving birth to a man child, the child is then caught up to God in heaven.
After the child is caught up to God in heaven, we then see the devil who has been cast to the earth, going off to make war with the remnant offspring of the woman (Rev 12:17); thereby indicating the male child being still physically on the earth.
1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and do shall be ever with the Lord.
2 Corinthians 12:2I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth
such an one caught up to the third heaven.3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
Revelation 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
In the King James Bible there are only three areas in which we find the description "caught up", where individuals are caught up to heaven.
The "caught up" in 1 Thessalonians 4:17 we know as the one in which the current rapture perspective is based.
In 2 Corinthians 12:2 & 4 Paul describes an individual having been "caught up" up to heaven, but then later this individual relates his experience to Paul on the earth, thereby indicating the individual still present on earth.
The third area in which being "caught up" to heaven is described is in Revelation 12:5, where a travailing woman after giving birth to a man child, the child is then caught up to God in heaven.
After the child is caught up to God in heaven, we then see the devil who has been cast to the earth, going off to make war with the remnant offspring of the woman (Rev 12:17); thereby indicating the male child being still physically on the earth.
1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and do shall be ever with the Lord.
2 Corinthians 12:2I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth
such an one caught up to the third heaven.3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.Revelation 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
The kingdom on planet earth began on the day of Pentecost, it's been here for way over a thousand years.
The 1000 yrs is a number symbolic of perfection, not literal.
Jesus rules the kingdom now with the souls from the 1st resurrection in heaven.
He is coming again to take possession of the kingdom (resur/rap),
But then this planet is destroyed by fire.
There are only 2 resurrections, Jesus and those at His coming 1 Cor 15:23-28.
The 1000 yrs is a number symbolic of perfection, not literal.
Jesus rules the kingdom now with the souls from the 1st resurrection in heaven.
He is coming again to take possession of the kingdom (resur/rap),
But then this planet is destroyed by fire.
There are only 2 resurrections, Jesus and those at His coming 1 Cor 15:23-28.
I know that most of the prophesies in Daniel's 70th week have yet to materialize, but when they do, they are not all going to occur simultaneously.
They will grow over time.
Only now are we beginning to see some of the signs in Luke 21:25, in which distress among nations is growing, and environmental issues are becoming more severe.
Luke 21:25 [FONT="]And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;[/FONT]
They will grow over time.
Only now are we beginning to see some of the signs in Luke 21:25, in which distress among nations is growing, and environmental issues are becoming more severe.
Luke 21:25 [FONT="]And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;[/FONT]
Ahwatukkee with all due respect .. The parable thing you reject? How will you find the the spiritual meaning lets say of the parables below I will offer?.
Generation of Israel as if God was a respecter of persons? ? Which generation of Israel ,the ones born again after the incorruptible seed of God’s word as an inward Jew called the generation of Christ or one pertaining to the flesh (no faith) the evil generation of natural man(Adam) who has no spiritual understanding of the parables? ?
Some think because they do not see the word parable/figure , don’t think. There are many historical parables, Without parables Christ the Holy Spirit spoke not... hiding the spiritual understanding from an evil generation as out ward Jews pertaining to the flesh, not the, unseen spirit the faith principle . . .
Strong lexicon...3850 parabole {par-ab-ol-ay'}
from 3846; TDNT - 5:744,773; n f
AV - parable 46, figure 2, comparison 1, proverb 1; 50
1) a placing of one thing by the side of another, juxtaposition, as of ships in battle 2) metaph. 2a) a comparing, comparison of one thing with another, likeness, similitude 2b) an example by which a doctrine or precept is illustrated 2c) a narrative, fictitious but agreeable to the laws and usages of human life, by which either the duties of men or the things of God, particularly the nature and history of God's kingdom are figuratively portrayed 2d) a parable: an earthly story with a heavenly meaning 3) a pithy and instructive saying, involving some likeness or comparison and having preceptive or admonitory force 3a) an aphorism, a maxim 4) a proverb 5) an act by which one exposes himself or his possessions to danger, a venture, a risk
The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:Which was a figure/parable for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. Heb 9:8
What is the spiritual meaning of that historic parable?
They were confused at first seeing Christ purposely hid spiritual meaning three times .They ditched Jesus and played “Who is the greatest” to show they were walking by the wrong manner after the natural course of this world (lust of the flesh lust of the eye the pride maker.), looking at the things seen rather than that not seen. Christ rebuked them who had no idea as to what applied to the true born again Israel whose name God, changed to Christian. They were seeking after the fleshly Israel .the wrong upside down manner.
Luk 9:55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.
I think you meant are still being given the spirutl meaning is still hid from the generation of man.. And the book of revelation is signified using that seen the temporal to give us his understanding hid from the lost generation of Adam .
Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
They were darkened when he said it is finished used as a metaphor when there will be no darkness, no Sun or moon to be used as time keepers.
Revelation 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
Revelation 22:5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.
The Sun and moon are under the feet of His chaste virgin bride the church. She is represented as stars .She is clothed with Christ righteousness, brighter than the Sun
Rev 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
Generation of Israel as if God was a respecter of persons? ? Which generation of Israel ,the ones born again after the incorruptible seed of God’s word as an inward Jew called the generation of Christ or one pertaining to the flesh (no faith) the evil generation of natural man(Adam) who has no spiritual understanding of the parables? ?
Some think because they do not see the word parable/figure , don’t think. There are many historical parables, Without parables Christ the Holy Spirit spoke not... hiding the spiritual understanding from an evil generation as out ward Jews pertaining to the flesh, not the, unseen spirit the faith principle . . .
Strong lexicon...3850 parabole {par-ab-ol-ay'}
from 3846; TDNT - 5:744,773; n f
AV - parable 46, figure 2, comparison 1, proverb 1; 50
1) a placing of one thing by the side of another, juxtaposition, as of ships in battle 2) metaph. 2a) a comparing, comparison of one thing with another, likeness, similitude 2b) an example by which a doctrine or precept is illustrated 2c) a narrative, fictitious but agreeable to the laws and usages of human life, by which either the duties of men or the things of God, particularly the nature and history of God's kingdom are figuratively portrayed 2d) a parable: an earthly story with a heavenly meaning 3) a pithy and instructive saying, involving some likeness or comparison and having preceptive or admonitory force 3a) an aphorism, a maxim 4) a proverb 5) an act by which one exposes himself or his possessions to danger, a venture, a risk
The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:Which was a figure/parable for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. Heb 9:8
What is the spiritual meaning of that historic parable?
They were confused at first seeing Christ purposely hid spiritual meaning three times .They ditched Jesus and played “Who is the greatest” to show they were walking by the wrong manner after the natural course of this world (lust of the flesh lust of the eye the pride maker.), looking at the things seen rather than that not seen. Christ rebuked them who had no idea as to what applied to the true born again Israel whose name God, changed to Christian. They were seeking after the fleshly Israel .the wrong upside down manner.
Luk 9:55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.
I think you meant are still being given the spirutl meaning is still hid from the generation of man.. And the book of revelation is signified using that seen the temporal to give us his understanding hid from the lost generation of Adam .
Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
They were darkened when he said it is finished used as a metaphor when there will be no darkness, no Sun or moon to be used as time keepers.
Revelation 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
Revelation 22:5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.
The Sun and moon are under the feet of His chaste virgin bride the church. She is represented as stars .She is clothed with Christ righteousness, brighter than the Sun
Rev 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
Ellsworth1943Hum,,,,You are right in that Revelation is not necessary for your Salvation but it is a necessary indicator as to if one is saved at all.
According to scripture, the elect, those who believe in Jesus Christ and HIS Gospel (1 Cor 15:1-4) are depicted in REV 2:8 and REV 3:7. This does not include man's works nor does it include other apostasies not mentioned here.
As to the other Churches, they had something wrong with them and Jesus himself tells them and us that if they do not change,,,,,well....you can read them and believe me you will know where you stand. Give yourself a Grade ?
example: The RCC church doctrine (Thyatira) are preterist who see the Bible as a symbolozed version of God's WORD. Many Churches follow this and as Jesus tells them; Rev 2:22 "22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds."
Again, I am not chastising you or anyone but rather am putting the literal Word of God out there for you to consider. If you and only you know, are of the one Church that had nothing Bad to say about it, then we are in the same building. BUT, if lets say for arguement sake that one is in the "Laodicean Church" of today as seen by the mega churches on TV.
I say it would be a good time to take stock of where one's Love is actually at before it is too late. Looking to many other passages and Revelation chapters 1-3 for guidance would be the smart thing to do.
We are now leaving the realm of kindergarten rapture perspective, and proceeding into the Word (part 1).
In the King James Bible there are only three areas in which we find the description "caught up", where individuals are caught up to heaven.
The "caught up" in 1 Thessalonians 4:17 we know as the one in which the current rapture perspective is based.
In 2 Corinthians 12:2 & 4 Paul describes an individual having been "caught up" up to heaven, but then later this individual relates his experience to Paul on the earth, thereby indicating the individual still present on earth.
The third area in which being "caught up" to heaven is described is in Revelation 12:5, where a travailing woman after giving birth to a man child, the child is then caught up to God in heaven.
After the child is caught up to God in heaven, we then see the devil who has been cast to the earth, going off to make war with the remnant offspring of the woman (Rev 12:17); thereby indicating the male child being still physically on the earth.
1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and do shall be ever with the Lord.
2 Corinthians 12:2I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the third heaven.3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
Revelation 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
In the King James Bible there are only three areas in which we find the description "caught up", where individuals are caught up to heaven.
The "caught up" in 1 Thessalonians 4:17 we know as the one in which the current rapture perspective is based.
In 2 Corinthians 12:2 & 4 Paul describes an individual having been "caught up" up to heaven, but then later this individual relates his experience to Paul on the earth, thereby indicating the individual still present on earth.
The third area in which being "caught up" to heaven is described is in Revelation 12:5, where a travailing woman after giving birth to a man child, the child is then caught up to God in heaven.
After the child is caught up to God in heaven, we then see the devil who has been cast to the earth, going off to make war with the remnant offspring of the woman (Rev 12:17); thereby indicating the male child being still physically on the earth.
1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and do shall be ever with the Lord.
2 Corinthians 12:2I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth
such an one caught up to the third heaven.3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.Revelation 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
It is a literal real kingdom, as you say. But it will never be a "material/visible" kingdom on planet earth.
yes, the kingdom that is within did start at Pentecost.
Acts 1:6, the kingdom was restored to Israel on Pentecost. Then they rejected the covenant 3 1/2 years later and the gentiles entered in.
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Heb 13:14, "For here we have no continuing city, but we seek one to come."
The city that we seek is the heavenly one. The cities on planet earth are temporal, material, not continual.
So if we are seeking the one that is not continual (an earthly Jerusalem), aren't we going against what Paul said to seek, look for?
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We won't be returning to the old covenant with it's material services in a man made temple.
Heb 9:1, "Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary."
But there are some, who love this world and want to stay here forever, and continue to live after the flesh, they want this world to be heaven, their heaven.
They don't trust Jesus enough to let go completely, everything material, this world is deteriorating to an end.
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Jesus rules from the heavenly Jerusalem now.
It is the eternal throne of David in heaven that Jesus is sitting on right now, it is the eternal throne in heavenly Jerusalem that lasts forever.
Jesus is sitting on it right now, ruling the kingdom on planet earth.
Don't look for the temporal city of Jerusalem on planet earth to have the eternal throne.
yes, the kingdom that is within did start at Pentecost.
Acts 1:6, the kingdom was restored to Israel on Pentecost. Then they rejected the covenant 3 1/2 years later and the gentiles entered in.
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Heb 13:14, "For here we have no continuing city, but we seek one to come."
The city that we seek is the heavenly one. The cities on planet earth are temporal, material, not continual.
So if we are seeking the one that is not continual (an earthly Jerusalem), aren't we going against what Paul said to seek, look for?
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We won't be returning to the old covenant with it's material services in a man made temple.
Heb 9:1, "Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary."
But there are some, who love this world and want to stay here forever, and continue to live after the flesh, they want this world to be heaven, their heaven.
They don't trust Jesus enough to let go completely, everything material, this world is deteriorating to an end.
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Jesus rules from the heavenly Jerusalem now.
It is the eternal throne of David in heaven that Jesus is sitting on right now, it is the eternal throne in heavenly Jerusalem that lasts forever.
Jesus is sitting on it right now, ruling the kingdom on planet earth.
Don't look for the temporal city of Jerusalem on planet earth to have the eternal throne.
Wrath, Tribulation, and Rapture, all in full context:
Luke
21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
21:26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
21:29 And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;
21:30 When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.
21:31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.
21:32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.
21:33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
21:34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and [so] that day come upon you unawares.
21:35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.
21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
Luke
21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
21:26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
21:29 And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;
21:30 When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.
21:31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.
21:32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.
21:33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
21:34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and [so] that day come upon you unawares.
21:35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.
21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
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As I read the many thoughts put forth as to the end time events, it seems that most continue to base their beliefs on NT verses only. Maybe a single verse or two from Daniel.
There is just as much if not more info in the writings of the OT prophets as in the NT. If one is to have a more complete understanding of these end time events, one must spent a great deal of time in OT study.
There is just as much if not more info in the writings of the OT prophets as in the NT. If one is to have a more complete understanding of these end time events, one must spent a great deal of time in OT study.