The end of the world is coming. What should we be looking for?

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We should be looking at being here for the tribulation. 2 Thess 2:2-3 “that ye be not soon shaken in spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as THAT THE DAY OF CHRIST is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: FOR THAT DAY SHALL NOT COME, except there come a falling away FIRST, And that the MAN OF SIN BE REVEALED, the son of perdition.
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I completely agree that we will be here for the tribulation.
 
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Many people are enduring it already, especially in the Middle East.
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Now, there is someone showing some wisdom. Yes, people all over this world have been suffering and dying for following Christ from the moment of Pentecost.
 
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valiant said:
Many people are enduring it already, especially in the Middle East.
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I believe the Bible does mention the Middle East is where much of the great tribulation will take place, and so yes, I do agree with you.
 
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Willie-T,,,since most (90+% ) of the world churches (especially denominational churches here in the USA) have already done what you say they cannot or should not do. have a question!

How much falling away is TOO FAR?
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If your mind automatically goes to: "How much can I get away with?" I'm really not too sure how to converse with you. I don't think anything like that was implied in my post......... UNLESS, you took Churches can also apostatize, as somehow "permission" to do so.
 
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Looking for the appearance of our Lord Jesus Christ.
 
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gerald01 said:
What we need to look for is not in the external signs but that is which is in ourselves , our relationship with God. Life is too short to worry about signs, let us live by faith in our God , for indeed all things work together for good for those who are in our Lord and personal Saviour Jesus Christ.
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'Please read the 'Parable of the 10 virgins...' , Jesus put the Jewish people in Desporia for not knowing the time He would come... While that time (the time of His arrival in Jerusalem on April 6, 32 AD) was pinpointed, Jesus only gives us the Season(s) with which all things hereafter will happen. In other words, we had better look at prophecy because its fulfillment shows His Glory or we might just be left BEHIND

I know you don't want to hear that and I must say you have a lot of company in that very line of reasoning.



 
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You do not agree that the souls in hell or heaven will know who they ware, were, how and why they got there and for how long????????///

I disagree that Rev. has a zero effect on a person's eternal destination...... Please check out the Rev. 1, 2 and 3 again. After chapter 4, I will agree with you in that the eternal destination decisions are just about over by then for everyone.. I will be watching it from the Messinene "sea of glass". What church would you place yourself in.??????
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Did you really read what I stated.
I said "not understand Rev." has anything to do with salvation.-----The key word is understanding.
If understanding Rev. 100% is necessary for salvation, no one will be saved. That includes you and me.
 
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louis said:
There is a rapture, but not the kindergarten version many believe in.
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Everyday I run into something I had not encountered before but this statement takes the cake and the Ice Cream. TO tell God that HE put something so juvenile in the Bible???well,,,,, It was your words.

Now since you opened up this can of worms, pray tell your audience what you mean by "Kindergarten Rapture", PLEASE and Thank You


 
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Everyday I run into something I had not encountered before but this statement takes the cake and the Ice Cream. TO tell God that HE put something so juvenile in the Bible???well,,,,, It was your words.

Now since you opened up this can of worms, pray tell your audience what you mean by "Kindergarten Rapture", PLEASE and Thank You
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He means the imminent return before the great tribulation farce ;)
 
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I could agree with so many of you......... except that you keep looking for some EVENT called, The GREAT Tribulation just like it is equivalent to this dreamland EVENT of "The Rapture."
 
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valiant said:
Many people are enduring it already, especially in the Middle East.
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One could argue that the Middle east is a form of God's Wrath.

Rem in Ezekiel 38:4...."And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth.........."

This is God forcing the Gog/Magog War. We see this all through the Bible where God uses Israel's enemies to punish them and then turn around and punish those enemies for attacking Israel. WHY? Because of their SINS against Man.

One might ask how he accomplished this...Well, as evident in the Middle East, the Restrainer is not present and any restraint on ISIS is not there. There are no bounds that the depths of evilness of man(as shown by ISIS) can go. No just think about the whole world being unrestrained.

Keep in Mind that Daniel's 70th WEEK is not for the Gentiles but rather it is designed to bring God's people back to him. The Gentiles (sinners or non-believers) are there because the Church (Body of Christ) are already gone.




 
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'Please read the 'Parable of the 10 virgins...' , Jesus put the Jewish people in Desporia for not knowing the time He would come... While that time (the time of His arrival in Jerusalem on April 6, 32 AD) was pinpointed, Jesus only gives us the Season(s) with which all things hereafter will happen. In other words, we had better look at prophecy because its fulfillment shows His Glory or we might just be left BEHIND

I know you don't want to hear that and I must say you have a lot of company in that very line of reasoning.
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It is my understanding, and please correct me if I am wrong, that you believe some saints will be left behind at the "rapture".
You also believe that "the church" is made up of all the saved, i.e. the saints.
You believe that "the church" will not be subject to the wrath of God, and I agree.
But if part of the "the church" is left behind, are they not subject to the wrath of God?
How do you work that all together to be fact/truth.
 
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louis said:
I believe the Bible does mention the Middle East is where much of the great tribulation will take place, and so yes, I do agree with you.
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Where are all of the other prophecies that have yet to happen prior to Daniel's 70th Week much less the Great Tribulation that Jesus Prophesied???????/
 
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As you look forward to day of the God make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him KJV2Peter3:11-14 11." Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12. Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13. Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new Heavens and new Earth,wherein dwelleth righteousness. 14. Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless."
 
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As you look forward to day of the God make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him KJV2Peter3:11-14 11." Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12. Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13. Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new Heavens and new Earth,wherein dwelleth righteousness. 14. Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless."
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Good point....often overlooked or swept under the rug.....
 
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dcontroversal said:
He means the imminent return before the great tribulation farce ;)
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The need to be prepared for the imminent rapture and escape the Tribulation is sooo Biblical. You all must at least know by now what verses we believe back this up. Even if you don't agree about the interpretation, there is no need to use words like 'farce' and 'juvenile'. These beliefs we hold are not some Johnny-come-lately kind of thing.
 
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After the rap/resur there ain't gonna be no planet left, except a big ball o' fire.

An if you ain't in da covenant ark wit Jesus,

U B BBQ

2 Pet 3:7, Rev 20:9-10
 
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Willie-T said:
If your mind automatically goes to: "How much can I get away with?" I'm really not too sure how to converse with you. I don't think anything like that was implied in my post......... UNLESS, you took Churches can also apostatize, as somehow "permission" to do so.
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That is exactly what I am saying. The further one gets away from God's Literal WORD (regardless how you got there), the easier it is to take the next step or as you put (get away with it or if it feels good ----do it.).

Take the RCC for example... The pope has now come out and made Mary a Co-Redemptrix along with Jesus Christ. There are many Churches that signed up along side of the RCC. Are they out of bounds. According to the Word of God, they are.



 
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oyster67 said:
The need to be prepared for the imminent rapture and escape the Tribulation is sooo Biblical. You all must at least know by now what verses we believe back this up. Even if you don't agree about the interpretation, there is no need to use words like 'farce' and 'juvenile'. These beliefs we hold are not some Johnny-come-lately kind of thing.
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Sure they are......and false too boot.........I say this having been raised in a church that crammed this down our throat, I dogmatically stood for it, and thought anyone who though different were ignorant....and MOST base it on two sets of scriptures yanked so far out of context that it appears they came out of a reader's digest instead of the bible......

THROUGH MUCH TRIBULATION WE MUST ENTER THE KINGDOM OF GOD.....
 
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