The end of the world is coming. What should we be looking for?
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Even you have stated that the beast is Roman related.
The 6th head "is" at John's time. Rev 17:10
Who is the 7th head? And how long does he live?
Who is the 8th head? The one who heads the divided Rome?
Which head was in power from the time from the fall of the Roman Empire until now? Who is the iron legs/toes right now?
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You have no answers?
Just another hole in pre-trib, in the details, it falls apart.
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By the way, I'll tell you again, as many others have,
The scriptures that you refer to as proving that the church does not go through the trib/wrath, are exclusively about the second death and being with God for an eternity. That is the wrath that they are talking about.
They are NOT about the trib/wrath on Israel.
Teach them as they are in context.
The true definition of the word worship means to adore fervently. Billions of people are not going to fervently adore an actual image placed in a new holy stone building. People are going to adore fervently the image they will have of the beasts system that will provide them great economic prosperity. Common sense, not dogma.
At the time when the beast rises from the sea, the Antichrist calls to an end the daily sacrifice that will be the war ensuing throughout the Middle East (Isaiah 28:18-20). It is during the commencing of the 2nd half of the middle of the seven year period (Daniel 9:27) in which the image of material prosperity (idolatry) is propagated throughout the Middle East and the world. This is when to run from that image/propaganda.
The remnant who survive the GT will be here, and the Lord will gather His people (spiritual Israel) from the four winds and bring them to the Middle East.
People are going to worship (fervently adore) the beast for all the material goodies his system will provide, and they will fervently adore the imagery/propaganda supporting its system.
At the time when the beast rises from the sea, the Antichrist calls to an end the daily sacrifice that will be the war ensuing throughout the Middle East (Isaiah 28:18-20). It is during the commencing of the 2nd half of the middle of the seven year period (Daniel 9:27) in which the image of material prosperity (idolatry) is propagated throughout the Middle East and the world. This is when to run from that image/propaganda.
The remnant who survive the GT will be here, and the Lord will gather His people (spiritual Israel) from the four winds and bring them to the Middle East.
People are going to worship (fervently adore) the beast for all the material goodies his system will provide, and they will fervently adore the imagery/propaganda supporting its system.
Rev 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
this is before the seals open in the next chapter.
Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
this is before the seals open in the next chapter.
Snoozy,
This scene takes place in 96 ad approx.
The souls that are seen are from the 1st resurrection, when Jesus rose. Eph 4:8, Matt 27:52-53.
They reign on earth through God's words, the Bible.
John the Baptist said, behold the Lamb of God, we live by his words today, they rule the kingdom now.
They were there with Jesus when John was taken through the door in 96 ad
The 7 seals tell the story of Israel from the rejection of the gospel until the dest of Jerusalem in 70 ad (6/7th seals).
The 7 trumpets complete the story of Israel from 96 ad., until the end of this world 7th/last trumpet when Jesus comes to take possession of the kingdom Rev 11:15.
Then the story of the little scroll ends.
This scene takes place in 96 ad approx.
The souls that are seen are from the 1st resurrection, when Jesus rose. Eph 4:8, Matt 27:52-53.
They reign on earth through God's words, the Bible.
John the Baptist said, behold the Lamb of God, we live by his words today, they rule the kingdom now.
They were there with Jesus when John was taken through the door in 96 ad
The 7 seals tell the story of Israel from the rejection of the gospel until the dest of Jerusalem in 70 ad (6/7th seals).
The 7 trumpets complete the story of Israel from 96 ad., until the end of this world 7th/last trumpet when Jesus comes to take possession of the kingdom Rev 11:15.
Then the story of the little scroll ends.
Considering the evidence used to support both the earlier date and the later date for the writing of the Book of Revelation brings us to a simple conclusion. The most logical and historically responsible conclusion, based on all the evidence, is that Revelation was, in fact, written prior to AD 68 and many of the events foretold in it may refer to the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70.
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No disrespect, but your perspective is dogma without scriptural support.
I have previously posted how the angel in Daniel 8:17 & 19 informs Daniel that the events in Daniel chapters 7 through 9 regard the end times. How do you explain Caesar fitting into the end times?
Daniel 8:17 [FONT="]So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision.[/FONT][FONT="]
19 And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be.[/FONT]
No disrespect, but your perspective is dogma without scriptural support.
I have previously posted how the angel in Daniel 8:17 & 19 informs Daniel that the events in Daniel chapters 7 through 9 regard the end times. How do you explain Caesar fitting into the end times?
Daniel 8:17 [FONT="]So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision.[/FONT][FONT="]
19 And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be.[/FONT]
While I like many thing you say I must disagree based upon Daniel......
Daniel/Revelation combined predict accurately the Kingdoms to come from Babylon ----> to Persia---->To Greece------>To Rome------>To the division of Rome into East and West (Two legs)----->to the 10 Toes of Iron and Clay--->To the rise of the 10 Horns----->to the rise of the one in the midst of the 10 horns----->to the conquering of 3 horns out of the 10 to the Beast (HE<--Personal pronouns applied) ---->To the 8th and final Kingdom that is destroyed by the Ancient of Days (JESUS) when he comes and the judgment leveled.......
Regardless of the date written......throughout the entire O.T. future prophetic events are blended in with the present histories being played out when the books are penned......there are too many events that cannot fit any historical context found within the 1st century........such as......
The beast working all signs, powers and lying wonders
The beast calling down fire from heaven
The two witnesses shutting heaven and the rain
The two witnesses using fire from heaven to kill all who would hurt them
etc........I say this with no heat, anger or animosity to you bro....I just simply disagree based upon the historicity of Revelation and all the things that happen that we have NO record of happening and the predicted history of Daniel which is fulfilled in Revelation....the division of Rome into two East and West and the resulting 10 toes/horns did not happen before 70 A.D.
Rome was divided in 284 A.D........this alone disqualifies Daniel's prophecy and Revelation's culmination of Daniel's prophecy as happening 1st century A.D.
Daniel/Revelation combined predict accurately the Kingdoms to come from Babylon ----> to Persia---->To Greece------>To Rome------>To the division of Rome into East and West (Two legs)----->to the 10 Toes of Iron and Clay--->To the rise of the 10 Horns----->to the rise of the one in the midst of the 10 horns----->to the conquering of 3 horns out of the 10 to the Beast (HE<--Personal pronouns applied) ---->To the 8th and final Kingdom that is destroyed by the Ancient of Days (JESUS) when he comes and the judgment leveled.......
Regardless of the date written......throughout the entire O.T. future prophetic events are blended in with the present histories being played out when the books are penned......there are too many events that cannot fit any historical context found within the 1st century........such as......
The beast working all signs, powers and lying wonders
The beast calling down fire from heaven
The two witnesses shutting heaven and the rain
The two witnesses using fire from heaven to kill all who would hurt them
etc........I say this with no heat, anger or animosity to you bro....I just simply disagree based upon the historicity of Revelation and all the things that happen that we have NO record of happening and the predicted history of Daniel which is fulfilled in Revelation....the division of Rome into two East and West and the resulting 10 toes/horns did not happen before 70 A.D.
Rome was divided in 284 A.D........this alone disqualifies Daniel's prophecy and Revelation's culmination of Daniel's prophecy as happening 1st century A.D.
There are only 2 resurrections.
1 Cor 15:23-28, 23-26
V 23, "But every man in his own order, Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christs at his coming."
V 24, "Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered the kingdom up to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power."
V 25, "For he must reign, til he hath put all enemies under his feet."
V 26, "The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death."
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In v 23, Paul shows 2 resurrections, only, Jesus and those at his coming. When the 1st resurrection is referred to in the Bible, it is talking about the resurrection of Jesus.
The 2nd resurrection/rap, has yet to take place.
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V 24, tells us that it is the end (of the resurrections, implied).
It tells us what happens at the end, death is destroyed, and THEN the kingdom is delivered up to the Father.
This is also seen in Rev 20:14-15, where death is destroyed. Only after that, can the kingdom be delivered up to the Father.
It doesn't happen in Rev 4:1-2.
1 Cor 15:23-28, 23-26
V 23, "But every man in his own order, Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christs at his coming."
V 24, "Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered the kingdom up to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power."
V 25, "For he must reign, til he hath put all enemies under his feet."
V 26, "The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death."
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In v 23, Paul shows 2 resurrections, only, Jesus and those at his coming. When the 1st resurrection is referred to in the Bible, it is talking about the resurrection of Jesus.
The 2nd resurrection/rap, has yet to take place.
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V 24, tells us that it is the end (of the resurrections, implied).
It tells us what happens at the end, death is destroyed, and THEN the kingdom is delivered up to the Father.
This is also seen in Rev 20:14-15, where death is destroyed. Only after that, can the kingdom be delivered up to the Father.
It doesn't happen in Rev 4:1-2.
Snoozy,
I think everybody kind of agrees with you on that one!!! Ha Ha.
But the reasons that we believe that it is the end are different some times.
I believe that it is the end because Israel is restored to control of Jerusalem and surrounded by enemies, just like the scene at the 7th trumpet and the end of the mill Rev 20. (The Rev. is not one continual time line)
This planet ends after Jerusalem falls, 3 1/2 days to be exact (7th trumpet).
I think everybody kind of agrees with you on that one!!! Ha Ha.
But the reasons that we believe that it is the end are different some times.
I believe that it is the end because Israel is restored to control of Jerusalem and surrounded by enemies, just like the scene at the 7th trumpet and the end of the mill Rev 20. (The Rev. is not one continual time line)
This planet ends after Jerusalem falls, 3 1/2 days to be exact (7th trumpet).
Do you realize how foolish you are going to feel (If Jerusalem gets invaded) when the sun rises on the fourth day thereafter?
Thousands and thousands of people have been predicting the end of the world for 50 generations........ 70 or 80 of those guys proclaiming it publicly and in print, right here in just the years I have been living.
The iron legs of Dan 2 are Rome, you agree that the legs dividing are Rome dividing.
And Dan. 7 shows the 4th beast as being Rome.
The beast that has 7 heads that are 7 hills/mts. in Rev 17:9 is Rome.
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Who is the head of Rome but Caesar/BoR?
When it talks about the beast, it is talking about all three entities at once, Satan (the dragon), Rome (the beast), and Caesar/BoR (the leader/head of the beast).
The sea mentioned in Rev 13:1, is the sea of the gentile peoples Rev 17:15. See how the whole passage symbolic.
The beast that comes out of the sea of the gentiles has 7 heads and ten horns, Rome. Caesar is Rome.
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The beast that comes up from the earth is rising from the religious world, as the earth is closer to heaven and God than the sea of the gentiles. This is religious Rome, Caesar worship (worship the creation, man as god).
The Roman Empire died, but Caesar worship continued to this day, under the form of the Vatican/BoR.
And Dan. 7 shows the 4th beast as being Rome.
The beast that has 7 heads that are 7 hills/mts. in Rev 17:9 is Rome.
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Who is the head of Rome but Caesar/BoR?
When it talks about the beast, it is talking about all three entities at once, Satan (the dragon), Rome (the beast), and Caesar/BoR (the leader/head of the beast).
The sea mentioned in Rev 13:1, is the sea of the gentile peoples Rev 17:15. See how the whole passage symbolic.
The beast that comes out of the sea of the gentiles has 7 heads and ten horns, Rome. Caesar is Rome.
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The beast that comes up from the earth is rising from the religious world, as the earth is closer to heaven and God than the sea of the gentiles. This is religious Rome, Caesar worship (worship the creation, man as god).
The Roman Empire died, but Caesar worship continued to this day, under the form of the Vatican/BoR.