The Error is Baptism in Jesus name only for salvation

[Kroogz]

Mmhm only in Jesus the son is their remission of sins it’s one of the reasons he became a man so he could bleed and die for humanities sins. Spirits can’t sacrifice thier flesh and blood to save humanity

Being separated(His substitutionary SPIRITUAL death) from the Father is what paid the price for our sins.

He was still alive when He said,"It is finished."......It's a spiritual battle/war not a physical one.

His physical death insures our bodily resurrection........And EVERYBODY gets a resurrection body. Fit for destruction or fit for Eternal life.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Being separated(His substitutionary SPIRITUAL death) from the Father is what paid the price for our sins.

He was still alive when He said,"It is finished."......It's a spiritual battle/war not a physical one.

His physical death insures our bodily resurrection........And EVERYBODY gets a resurrection body. Fit for destruction or fit for Eternal life.

Yeah but baptism is for remission of sins in Jesus name because people believe he died for thier sins …..

 

[CS1]

Yeah but baptism is for remission of sins in Jesus name because people believe he died for thier sins …..

What do you mean when you say " Remission of sins." do you contextually take that to men done by baptism only?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

What do you mean when you say " Remission of sins." do you contextually take that to men done by baptism only?

“To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:43‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“for this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭26:28‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38‬ ‭

what I’m saying is why create alternatives to what’s in scripture? Why would anyone have a problem with baptism when god promises remission of sins ? What’s the need to remove the doctrine is what I’m wondering ? Why not agree with it lol ?

 

[CS1]

“To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:43‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“for this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭26:28‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38‬ ‭

what I’m saying is why create alternatives to what’s in scripture? Why would anyone have a problem with baptism when god promises remission of sins ? What’s the need to remove the doctrine is what I’m wondering ? Why not agree with it lol ?

I would say nobody has a problem with baptism; only the Oneness does.

I have stated many times that baptism in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and in Jesus' name, are all valid baptisms from the Word of God (Matthew 28:19, Acts 2:38).

The name means by the authority of. It is not a formula or the term said, as there is no record of any words being spoken when one is water-baptized as they went down in the water. The work of the Cross and the Blood of Jesus Romans chapter 10: 9-11 and John chapter 3:16-19

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I would say nobody has a problem with baptism; only the Oneness does.

I have stated many times that baptism in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and in Jesus' name, are all valid baptisms from the Word of God (Matthew 28:19, Acts 2:38).

The name means by the authority of. It is not a formula or the term said, as there is no record of any words being spoken when one is water-baptized as they went down in the water. The work of the Cross and the Blood of Jesus Romans chapter 10: 9-11 and John chapter 3:16-19

Yeah you’ve always been allowed to believe that I don’t have a problem with it at all

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Being separated(His substitutionary SPIRITUAL death) from the Father is what paid the price for our sins.

He was still alive when He said,"It is finished."......It's a spiritual battle/war not a physical one.

His physical death insures our bodily resurrection........And EVERYBODY gets a resurrection body. Fit for destruction or fit for Eternal life.

Mmhm I was just talking about what the Bible teaches …..

“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:3-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“And EVERYBODY gets a resurrection body. Fit for destruction or fit for Eternal life”

sure but why tell me this regarding baptism for remission of sins ? That has nothing to do with baptism but judgement day ….baptism is about what the apostles taught it was about .

“in whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:11-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I’m just talking about that ^^^stuff that they already taught in the Bible not sure why no one wants to discuss it but that’s what I was talking about

 

[Wansvic]

what is the issue I am still not understanding what was it I "edited " That I have not answered repeatedly? If I revised something for whatever reason, perhaps I made a mistake, which I'm sure your Hypocritical self would never admit to, and I would make the correction. Don't act like you have never done the same thing in 5 minutes; such self-righteous Pharisees.

Those who refuse to admit their mistakes hinder their ability to grow in the Lord. And growing in the Lord should be the pursuit of each and every believer in Jesus.

And as to your nasty label, "self-righteous Pharisees." It is unwarranted. I never denied making edits within 5 minutes of posting something. That's how I know it can be done.

 

[Wansvic]

Dear Wansvic, The Father and the Son act in distinct roles during the crucifixion. The Father sends the Son to take on human nature and to confront sin, while the Son, in obedience, takes up human flesh and suffers death on the cross. The Father does not send himself, nor does he die; rather, he sends his Son* who alone experiences death in his humanity.

God did not send the Son; He was IN Jesus. (Col. 2:9-12)

"And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, ..." 2 Cor. 5:18-19



Now if you don't mind, what are thoughts. Do you see what the scriptures I referenced reveal?

Jesus speaking, "And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it." John 14:13-14

Afterward Jesus said:
"Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, HE will give it you." John 16:23

 

[Wansvic]

Dear Wansvic,
The events of the cross show that the Father and the Son are not the same person. They have different wills, voices, and functions, yet work together in perfect unity for the salvation of humanity. The Father’s act of sending and the Son’s act of self-giving love are distinct but inseparable actions within the one divine purpose.

While the cross reveals the distinction between the Father and the Son, it does not divide the Trinity. The Father, Son, and Spirit operate in concert, with the Father sending, the Son dying, and the Spirit sustaining. The distinction is in their persons and roles, not in their divine essence or unity.

Again, God did not Send the Son. God was IN the Son:

"And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;"

How?

"To wit, that God WAS IN Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation." 2 Cor. 5:18-19

 

[Wansvic]

Dear Wansvic,
On the cross, it is the Son who suffers and dies physically, experiencing the agony of separation and the penalty for sin in his human nature. The Father, by contrast, suffers the grief of the death of his Son but does not die himself. This distinction is highlighted in the way the Son cries out to the Father, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” (Mark 15:34), expressing the unique suffering of the Son in his humanity. I hope this helps. God bless you, brother.

I agree that Jesus' human nature died on the cross. Where we differ is I believe scripture reveals God manifests Himself as the Father in creation, Son in redemption, and Holy Ghost in regeneration; not three distinct "persons" as later defined by the Councils of Nicaea and Constantinople.

@Pilgrimshope reminded me of yet another scripture that reveals the truth:
“Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour. I am the LORD, your Holy One, the creator of Israel, your King.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭43:10-11, 15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[CS1]

Those who refuse to admit their mistakes hinder their ability to grow in the Lord. And growing in the Lord should be the pursuit of each and every believer in Jesus.

And as to your nasty label, "self-righteous Pharisees." It is unwarranted. I never denied making edits within 5 minutes of posting something. That's how I know it can be done.

If you want to admit a mistake, brother, I will pray with you and not think of you in an ill manner. Thann being said

are those baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit saved ? Is their water baptism valid, yes or no?

Also, I have admitted what I said in the post after 970. I suppose you didn't see that, did you? Would you like me to apologize?

Ok, I'm sorry. I hope you feel better. Have blessed day.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I agree that Jesus' human nature died on the cross. Where we differ is I believe scripture reveals God manifests Himself as the Father in creation, Son in redemption, and Holy Ghost in regeneration; not three distinct "persons" as later defined by the Councils of Nicaea and Constantinople.

@Pilgrimshope reminded me of yet another scripture that reveals the truth:
“Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour. I am the LORD, your Holy One, the creator of Israel, your King.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭43:10-11, 15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Before me was No God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour. I am the LORD, your Holy One, the creator of Israel, your King.”

“For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭2:11‬ ‭KJV

“For I am the LORD thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭43:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Thou shalt also suck the milk of the Gentiles, and shalt suck the breast of kings: and thou shalt know that I the LORD am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭60:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For I know that my redeemer liveth, And that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:”
‭‭Job‬ ‭19:25‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the LORD. As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the LORD; My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the LORD, from henceforth and for ever.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭59:20-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[Branch]

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God did not send the Son; He was IN Jesus. (Col. 2:9-12)

"And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, ..." 2 Cor. 5:18-19



Now if you don't mind, what are thoughts. Do you see what the scriptures I referenced reveal?

Jesus speaking, "And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it." John 14:13-14

Afterwards, Jesus said:
"Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, HE will give it you." John 16:23

Dear Wansvic, Colossians 2:9-12 teaches that Jesus is the full and complete embodiment of God, not simply a man who had God “inside” him. The passage affirms the deity of Christ and the sufficiency of Christ for salvation, but it does not deny that the Father sent the Son, as taught elsewhere in the New Testament. God bless you, brother.

 

[Lamar]

Help me AGAIN. What statement did I delete?

CS1, please forgive. You did not delete the sentence, it was totally my error.

 

[Kroogz]

Yeah but baptism is for remission of sins in Jesus name because people believe he died for thier sins …..

“To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:43‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Don't miss the beginning of this verse........ALL the Prophets witness that WHOSOEVER BELIEVES.....

Acts 16:31

Nothing about getting wet.

 

[Branch]

God did not send the Son; He was IN Jesus. (Col. 2:9-12)

"And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, ..." 2 Cor. 5:18-19



Now if you don't mind, what are thoughts. Do you see what the scriptures I referenced reveal?

Jesus speaking, "And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it." John 14:13-14

Afterward Jesus said:
"Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, HE will give it you." John 16:23 Dear Wansvic
What Colossians 2:9–12 Says
Colossians 2:9-12 is a foundational passage for Christian belief in the Deity of Christ. The text states:
"For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form, and in Christ you have been brought to fullness. He is the head over every power and authority. In him you were also circumcised with a circumcision not performed by human hands. Your whole self ruled by the flesh was put off when you were circumcised by Christ, having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through your faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead." 247
This passage emphasizes that Jesus Christ is fully God—the entire "fullness of Deity" dwells in him in bodily form. It is not that God was simply "in Jesus" as a separate being, but that Jesus himself is the embodiment of God's full nature. God bless you, brother.

 

[Branch]

• If you emphasize the sending, you highlight the relationship between Father and Son. This makes the Lord Jesus happy.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

“To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:43‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Don't miss the beginning of this verse........ALL the Prophets witness that WHOSOEVER BELIEVES.....

Acts 16:31

Nothing about getting wet.

Yeah the logic of “ if this verse is true that other one is irrelevant and wrong “

 

[Lamar]

“To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:43‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Don't miss the beginning of this verse........ALL the Prophets witness that WHOSOEVER BELIEVES.....

Acts 16:31

Nothing about getting wet.

Acts 2:38
Peter answered them, “All of you must turn to God and change the way you think and act, and each of you must be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ so that your sins will be forgiven. Then you will receive the Holy Spirit as a gift.

Lots about getting wet.

Pointing out the lack of baptism in a certain verse does not prove the need for baptism or anything else.
The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. This is elementary, it should not have to be explained.