The Error is Baptism in Jesus name only for salvation
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The Holy Spirit is not a distinct "person."
Really ?
What does the word of God say?
Eph 4:30
"And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption."
1Thess 5:19
19 Do not quench the Spirit.
Jesus called the Holy Spirit the Comforter and said when HE comes John chapter 14
Everything is in the Person language. You can't grieve a force, you can't lie to the wind, you can't quench something that is not real
Jesus' words: Give the Holy Spirit Personalification. Emotion, actions, and personality. Yet you can't fully know all GOD is, but you think you do.
Really ?
What does the word of God say?
Eph 4:30
"And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption."
1Thess 5:19
19 Do not quench the Spirit.
Jesus called the Holy Spirit the Comforter and said when HE comes John chapter 14
Everything is in the Person language. You can't grieve a force, you can't lie to the wind, you can't quench something that is not real
Jesus' words: Give the Holy Spirit Personalification. Emotion, actions, and personality. Yet you can't fully know all GOD is, but you think you do.
Many believe and obey the Lord without hesitation and I would certainly not label that kind of trust in Jesus as arrogance but rather evidence of faith. And, I've answered your question concerning water baptism in the name of Jesus with the best evidence possible and that's scripture. You just refuse to accept it. There is no reason for us to continue this discussion. But I do truly pray that increase will come from the seeds planted and watered.
In Jesus dwells the fulness of the Godhead. (Col. 2:9-12) God is a Spirit and those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in Truth. (John 4:24)
Jesus words:
"If ye love me, keep my commandments.
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, (Rom. 6:3-6) and I in you. (Acts 2:4)" John 14:15-20
Jesus words:
"If ye love me, keep my commandments.
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, (Rom. 6:3-6) and I in you. (Acts 2:4)" John 14:15-20
Didache (The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles)
– c. 50–120 A.D.
📜 Didache 7:1 (Greek):
Περὶ δὲ τοῦ βαπτίσματος, οὕτως βαπτίσατε· ταῦτα πάντα προειπόντες, βαπτίσατε εἰς τὸ ὄνομα τοῦ Πατρὸς καὶ τοῦ Υἱοῦ καὶ τοῦ Ἁγίου Πνεύματος ἐν ὕδατι ζῶντι.
Translation:
“Now concerning baptism, baptize thus: having said all these things beforehand, baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in living (running) water.”
- Very early extra-biblical Christian manual, possibly written during or shortly after the Apostolic Age.
- Uses the Trinitarian formula, showing it was in liturgical use by at least the early 2nd century, if not earlier.
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Justin Martyr – First Apology, c. 155 A.D.
📜 First Apology 61.3:
“For in the name of God the Father and Lord of the universe, and of our Savior Jesus Christ, and of the Holy Spirit, they then receive the washing with water.”
- Reflects the continued use of the Trinitarian formula in the mid-2nd century.
- Also connects baptism with rebirth and enlightenment.
sorry i don’t understand what you mean to say . Are you saying Jesus is mortal ?
“……until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of Lords; who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.”
1 Timothy 6:14-16 KJV
“……until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of Lords; who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.”
1 Timothy 6:14-16 KJV
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The Apostle Paul, who was The Apostle sent to The Gentiles, did not preach water baptism! To many take any part of The Scriptures and use Them as They desire!
Paul was sent to The Gentiles; all others went to Isreal only! Yet people keep taking what was for Isreal ONLY; under The Kingdom Heaven doctrine, and apply It to Today!
Paul preached that which was for, The Kingdom Of God. There is a VAST DIFFERENCE between The Two! This seems to be ignored by Those Today, who wrongly use The Bible scriptures!
Keep That which is for This Age, to This Age, not for the last Age!
Paul was sent to The Gentiles; all others went to Isreal only! Yet people keep taking what was for Isreal ONLY; under The Kingdom Heaven doctrine, and apply It to Today!
Paul preached that which was for, The Kingdom Of God. There is a VAST DIFFERENCE between The Two! This seems to be ignored by Those Today, who wrongly use The Bible scriptures!
Keep That which is for This Age, to This Age, not for the last Age!
Dear Pilgrimshope, This is part of what I posted: The lord Jesus spoke about his father, Why thinkest thou knowest the mysteries of god? If you knew everything, you would not be a* moral person. Can't you accept that Jesus has proclaimed his Father, who is in heaven? And the Lord Jesus said the Father is Spirit, and he goes where he will. Jesus also said that the Father is always with him because he does the things that please the Father.
Dear Pilgrimshope, this is the mortal word I meant to write. The lord Jesus spoke about his father, Why thinkest thou knowest the mysteries of god? If you knew everything, you would not be a *mortal person. Can't you accept that Jesus has proclaimed his Father, who is in heaven? And the Lord Jesus said the Father is Spirit, and he goes where he will. Jesus also said that the Father is always with him because he does the things that please the Father. God bless you, brother.
Dear Pilgrimshope, Jesus consistently spoke about his Father in heaven, emphasizing both the mystery and the intimacy of their relationship. He declared that the Father is spirit, saying, “God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth” (John 4:24)37. This means that God the Father is not limited by a physical body or human limitations; he is immaterial and omnipresent257.
Jesus also affirmed that he was sent by the Father and that he always did what pleased the Father: “I always do what pleases him” (John 8:29)6. He stressed the unity between himself and the Father, saying, “Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me” (John 14:11)1. This unity is central to the Christian understanding of the Trinity, where the Father, the Son (Jesus), and the Holy Spirit are distinct persons but share the same divine essence.
The Mystery of God and Human Limitation
Jesus acknowledged the limits of human understanding regarding the mysteries of God. He often spoke in ways that pointed to deeper truths beyond human comprehension, such as when he said, “No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father” (Mark 13:32)6. This statement highlights both the distinction between Jesus and the Father and the humility of Jesus in his earthly ministry, where he voluntarily limited his divine knowledge and power to fulfill his mission as a human6.
The Father Is Spirit and Always With Jesus
Jesus taught that the Father is spirit and sovereign: “The wind blows where it wishes... so it is with everyone born of the Spirit” (John 3:8, paraphrased)3. He also said, “The Father is always with me, because I do what pleases him” (John 8:29)6. This reflects both the closeness of their relationship and Jesus’ perfect obedience.
Jesus Proclaims the Father
Throughout his ministry, Jesus made it clear that he came to reveal the Father: “Whoever has seen me has seen the Father” (John 14:9)1. Yet, he also maintained the distinction between himself and the Father, as seen in statements like “the Father is greater than I” (John 14:28)8. This balance is foundational to the doctrine of the Trinity: one God in three persons, each with distinct roles but united in essence and purpose14.
Summary Table: Key Teachings
Teaching of Jesus about the FatherScriptural ReferenceExplanation
The Father is Spirit John 4:2437 God is immaterial, not bound by flesh
Jesus always pleases the Father John 8:296 Jesus’ obedience and unity with the Father
The Father is greater than Jesus (on earth) John 14:288 Reflects Jesus’ humility in his earthly role
Jesus and the Father are one John 14:111 Unity of essence, distinct persons
Only the Father knows certain mysteries Mark 13:326 Human limitation in understanding God
Conclusion
Jesus consistently proclaimed his Father in heaven, teaching that the Father is spirit, sovereign, and always with him. He revealed the mystery of God while also acknowledging the limits of human understanding. The New Testament presents Jesus as perfectly united with the Father, yet distinct in person, embodying the Christian doctrine of the Trinity. I hope this helps. God bless you, brother.
Jesus also affirmed that he was sent by the Father and that he always did what pleased the Father: “I always do what pleases him” (John 8:29)6. He stressed the unity between himself and the Father, saying, “Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me” (John 14:11)1. This unity is central to the Christian understanding of the Trinity, where the Father, the Son (Jesus), and the Holy Spirit are distinct persons but share the same divine essence.
The Mystery of God and Human Limitation
Jesus acknowledged the limits of human understanding regarding the mysteries of God. He often spoke in ways that pointed to deeper truths beyond human comprehension, such as when he said, “No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father” (Mark 13:32)6. This statement highlights both the distinction between Jesus and the Father and the humility of Jesus in his earthly ministry, where he voluntarily limited his divine knowledge and power to fulfill his mission as a human6.
The Father Is Spirit and Always With Jesus
Jesus taught that the Father is spirit and sovereign: “The wind blows where it wishes... so it is with everyone born of the Spirit” (John 3:8, paraphrased)3. He also said, “The Father is always with me, because I do what pleases him” (John 8:29)6. This reflects both the closeness of their relationship and Jesus’ perfect obedience.
Jesus Proclaims the Father
Throughout his ministry, Jesus made it clear that he came to reveal the Father: “Whoever has seen me has seen the Father” (John 14:9)1. Yet, he also maintained the distinction between himself and the Father, as seen in statements like “the Father is greater than I” (John 14:28)8. This balance is foundational to the doctrine of the Trinity: one God in three persons, each with distinct roles but united in essence and purpose14.
Summary Table: Key Teachings
Teaching of Jesus about the FatherScriptural ReferenceExplanation
The Father is Spirit John 4:2437 God is immaterial, not bound by flesh
Jesus always pleases the Father John 8:296 Jesus’ obedience and unity with the Father
The Father is greater than Jesus (on earth) John 14:288 Reflects Jesus’ humility in his earthly role
Jesus and the Father are one John 14:111 Unity of essence, distinct persons
Only the Father knows certain mysteries Mark 13:326 Human limitation in understanding God
Conclusion
Jesus consistently proclaimed his Father in heaven, teaching that the Father is spirit, sovereign, and always with him. He revealed the mystery of God while also acknowledging the limits of human understanding. The New Testament presents Jesus as perfectly united with the Father, yet distinct in person, embodying the Christian doctrine of the Trinity. I hope this helps. God bless you, brother.
Yeah , God our creator became a man ( the son ) in order to redeem us from death.
“Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood,
he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; and deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.”
Hebrews 2:14-17
what happened was in the Old Testament God in heaven who is a spirit looked down and saw that mankind had become wicked again and lost judgement again but this time …..there was no intercessor there was no Moses , or Abraham , no Noah , or jacob there was no levite no son of Aaron Who was worthy Toni tercede for mans sin because God saw that all had sinned and there wasn’t even a single person left worthy to intercede for all had sinned
“The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, To see if there were any that did understand, And seek God. They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: There is none that doeth good, no, not one.”
Psalm 14:2-3 KJV
“And judgment is turned away backward, and justice standeth afar off: for truth is fallen in the street, and equity cannot enter. Yea, truth faileth; and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey: and the LORD saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment. And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor: therefore his arm brought salvation unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him. For he put on righteousness as a breastplate, and an helmet of salvation upon his head; and he put on the garments of vengeance for clothing, and was clad with zeal as a cloke.
According to their deeds, accordingly he will repay, fury to his adversaries, recompence to his enemies; to the islands he will repay recompence. So shall they fear the name of the LORD from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun.
And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the LORD.”
Isaiah 59:14-20 KJV
the concept is that the only true God became the one of us that was worthy To intercede for our sin . by being born one of us in the flesh and blood living a life like we do as a man, facing the temptations of the flesh and overcoming them without sin. And then willingly laying down his righteous earthly life in order to cover out imperfect earthly lives as an atonement and propitiation. To save the world he lives if they will believe
This doesn’t mean Gods spirit is now only in one place his spirit fills the heavens always and as the holy fgosr fille peoples hearts ot will also fill a new earth eventually through Christ
One God is all sufficient he is God and savior and redeemer and the spirit who comes to dwell with us he is the high priest and intercessor he even became a condemned “ sinner “ on the cross of course he didn’t sin but he died being accused of blasphemy.
if you read a lot of the prophets you’ll find God foretold his plan of what he was going to do in the prophets .
“The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God. and the glory of the LORD shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.
….The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.
; say unto the cities of Judah, Behold your God! Behold, the Lord GOD will come with strong hand, and his arm shall rule for him: behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him.
He shall feed his flock like a shepherd: he shall gather the lambs with his arm, and carry them in his bosom, and shall gently lead those that are with young.”
Isaiah 40:3, 5, 8-11 KJV
When you read a lot of those you see ot everywhere that he was always saying from heaven tbat he was going to come and save his people being born of a virgin dying for sin being raised up again and ascending to the throne of heaven , even returning at the end of the world to judge it in righteousness and every man by thier deeds ect
Bit it’s always consistent that the Lord God is one and he would reveal his name when he came to be among the people ….
Jesus the man is the God of heaven manifest in the form of man because we needed an intercessor and there wasn’t one our god loves us and so he himself became the man worthy to intercede . To do this as a man he had to submit to God and obey him as is our duty and role .
“Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood,
he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; and deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.”
Hebrews 2:14-17
what happened was in the Old Testament God in heaven who is a spirit looked down and saw that mankind had become wicked again and lost judgement again but this time …..there was no intercessor there was no Moses , or Abraham , no Noah , or jacob there was no levite no son of Aaron Who was worthy Toni tercede for mans sin because God saw that all had sinned and there wasn’t even a single person left worthy to intercede for all had sinned
“The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, To see if there were any that did understand, And seek God. They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: There is none that doeth good, no, not one.”
Psalm 14:2-3 KJV
“And judgment is turned away backward, and justice standeth afar off: for truth is fallen in the street, and equity cannot enter. Yea, truth faileth; and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey: and the LORD saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment. And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor: therefore his arm brought salvation unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him. For he put on righteousness as a breastplate, and an helmet of salvation upon his head; and he put on the garments of vengeance for clothing, and was clad with zeal as a cloke.
According to their deeds, accordingly he will repay, fury to his adversaries, recompence to his enemies; to the islands he will repay recompence. So shall they fear the name of the LORD from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun.
And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the LORD.”
Isaiah 59:14-20 KJV
the concept is that the only true God became the one of us that was worthy To intercede for our sin . by being born one of us in the flesh and blood living a life like we do as a man, facing the temptations of the flesh and overcoming them without sin. And then willingly laying down his righteous earthly life in order to cover out imperfect earthly lives as an atonement and propitiation. To save the world he lives if they will believe
This doesn’t mean Gods spirit is now only in one place his spirit fills the heavens always and as the holy fgosr fille peoples hearts ot will also fill a new earth eventually through Christ
One God is all sufficient he is God and savior and redeemer and the spirit who comes to dwell with us he is the high priest and intercessor he even became a condemned “ sinner “ on the cross of course he didn’t sin but he died being accused of blasphemy.
if you read a lot of the prophets you’ll find God foretold his plan of what he was going to do in the prophets .
“The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God. and the glory of the LORD shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.
….The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.
; say unto the cities of Judah, Behold your God! Behold, the Lord GOD will come with strong hand, and his arm shall rule for him: behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him.
He shall feed his flock like a shepherd: he shall gather the lambs with his arm, and carry them in his bosom, and shall gently lead those that are with young.”
Isaiah 40:3, 5, 8-11 KJV
When you read a lot of those you see ot everywhere that he was always saying from heaven tbat he was going to come and save his people being born of a virgin dying for sin being raised up again and ascending to the throne of heaven , even returning at the end of the world to judge it in righteousness and every man by thier deeds ect
Bit it’s always consistent that the Lord God is one and he would reveal his name when he came to be among the people ….
Jesus the man is the God of heaven manifest in the form of man because we needed an intercessor and there wasn’t one our god loves us and so he himself became the man worthy to intercede . To do this as a man he had to submit to God and obey him as is our duty and role .
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