The Error is Baptism in Jesus name only for salvation

[Mouse_Cheeks]

@CS1,No,they are not.

LOL, Jesus said it in Matthew 28:19; 'in the name' is not speaking it as you are water baptized. It is the authority by which one does the act. God has authority, the Son has authority, and the Holy Spirit has Authority. Do they not? You deny all three are seen in Scripture, and actions are attributed to each separately and named of their own actions, are they not? Did not the Father Speak when Jesus was being water-baptized? How did that happen if Jesus is the Father

Oh, that's right, Jesus is a ventriloquist.

Sad, that you have no respect for God. Nor are you aware of scripture.

 

[Branch]

Yeah , God our creator became a man ( the son ) in order to redeem us from death.

“Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood,

he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; and deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭2:14-17‬ ‭

what happened was in the Old Testament God in heaven who is a spirit looked down and saw that mankind had become wicked again and lost judgement again but this time …..there was no intercessor there was no Moses , or Abraham , no Noah , or jacob there was no levite no son of Aaron Who was worthy Toni tercede for mans sin because God saw that all had sinned and there wasn’t even a single person left worthy to intercede for all had sinned

“The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, To see if there were any that did understand, And seek God. They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: There is none that doeth good, no, not one.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭14:2-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And judgment is turned away backward, and justice standeth afar off: for truth is fallen in the street, and equity cannot enter. Yea, truth faileth; and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey: and the LORD saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment. And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor: therefore his arm brought salvation unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him. For he put on righteousness as a breastplate, and an helmet of salvation upon his head; and he put on the garments of vengeance for clothing, and was clad with zeal as a cloke.

According to their deeds, accordingly he will repay, fury to his adversaries, recompence to his enemies; to the islands he will repay recompence. So shall they fear the name of the LORD from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun.

And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the LORD.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭59:14-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬


the concept is that the only true God became the one of us that was worthy To intercede for our sin . by being born one of us in the flesh and blood living a life like we do as a man, facing the temptations of the flesh and overcoming them without sin. And then willingly laying down his righteous earthly life in order to cover out imperfect earthly lives as an atonement and propitiation. To save the world he lives if they will believe


This doesn’t mean Gods spirit is now only in one place his spirit fills the heavens always and as the holy fgosr fille peoples hearts ot will also fill a new earth eventually through Christ

One God is all sufficient he is God and savior and redeemer and the spirit who comes to dwell with us he is the high priest and intercessor he even became a condemned “ sinner “ on the cross of course he didn’t sin but he died being accused of blasphemy.

if you read a lot of the prophets you’ll find God foretold his plan of what he was going to do in the prophets .

“The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God. and the glory of the LORD shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

….The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.

; say unto the cities of Judah, Behold your God! Behold, the Lord GOD will come with strong hand, and his arm shall rule for him: behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him.

He shall feed his flock like a shepherd: he shall gather the lambs with his arm, and carry them in his bosom, and shall gently lead those that are with young.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭40:3, 5, 8-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

When you read a lot of those you see ot everywhere that he was always saying from heaven tbat he was going to come and save his people being born of a virgin dying for sin being raised up again and ascending to the throne of heaven , even returning at the end of the world to judge it in righteousness and every man by thier deeds ect

Bit it’s always consistent that the Lord God is one and he would reveal his name when he came to be among the people ….

Jesus the man is the God of heaven manifest in the form of man because we needed an intercessor and there wasn’t one our god loves us and so he himself became the man worthy to intercede . To do this as a man he had to submit to God and obey him as is our duty and role .

Dear Pilgrimshope, Thank you for your letter. I am grateful for your encouragement and for the reminder of God's abiding love for all of us. Pilgrimshope, your letter to me was beautifully written, and it has especially touched my heart. I love thinking about God's arm and how much he loves us. Isaiah 52:10 declares, "The LORD has bared His holy arm in the sight of all the nations; all the ends of the earth will see the salvation of our God. I like this true story because God asked Abraham if he would sacrifice his only son, a ram caught in a thicket by his horns. And Abraham went and took the ram and offered it up as a burnt offering instead of his son. I believe this story foreshadows God giving His only Son for the atonement of sin. Genesis 22:12, where the angel of the Lord says: "Do not lay a hand on the boy," he said. "Do not do anything to him. Now I know that you fear God because you have not withheld from me your son, your only son." God recognised Abraham's willingness to sacrifice Isaac, and God now knows Abraham fears Him because he did not withhold his son. God bless you, brother.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Dear Pilgrimshope, Thank you for your letter. I am grateful for your encouragement and for the reminder of God's abiding love for all of us. Pilgrimshope, your letter to me was beautifully written, and it has especially touched my heart. I love thinking about God's arm and how much he loves us. Isaiah 52:10 declares, "The LORD has bared His holy arm in the sight of all the nations; all the ends of the earth will see the salvation of our God. I like this true story because God asked Abraham if he would sacrifice his only son, a ram caught in a thicket by his horns. And Abraham went and took the ram and offered it up as a burnt offering instead of his son. I believe this story foreshadows God giving His only Son for the atonement of sin. Genesis 22:12, where the angel of the Lord says: "Do not lay a hand on the boy," he said. "Do not do anything to him. Now I know that you fear God because you have not withheld from me your son, your only son." God recognised Abraham's willingness to sacrifice Isaac, and God now knows Abraham fears Him because he did not withhold his son. God bless you, brother.

amen wonderful post

“Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.”
‭‭James‬ ‭2:21-23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And the angel of the LORD called unto Abraham out of heaven the second time, and said, By myself have I sworn, saith the LORD, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son: that in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭22:15-18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

… For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:6-9, 16, 26-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬


God bless you also abundantly

 

[Ouch]

LOL, Jesus said it in Matthew 28:19; 'in the name' is not speaking it as you are water baptized. It is the authority by which one does the act. God has authority, the Son has authority, and the Holy Spirit has Authority. Do they not? You deny all three are seen in Scripture, and actions are attributed to each separately and named of their own actions, are they not? Did not the Father Speak when Jesus was being water-baptized? How did that happen if Jesus is the Father

Oh, that's right, Jesus is a ventriloquist.

What do you think of this verse?

JESUS speaking to Nicodemus.

John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

JESUS is ON THE EARTH and he is also IN HEAVEN!!

 

[Ouch]

Clarification on Baptism and Salvation


The phrase "baptism in the name of Jesus" does not simply refer to the words spoken during baptism (e.g., "I baptize you in the name of Jesus"). Rather, it signifies the authority by which the baptism is performed.


Salvation occurs before baptism. Baptism is the first act of obedience for a new believer—an outward expression of the inward transformation. This aligns with the born again experience described by Jesus in John 3, and further clarified by Paul in Romans 6.


In the language of the King James era, the phrase "in the name of..." was understood to mean by the authority of... It was a formal declaration of the sender’s identity and power—often signified by a royal seal. Therefore, to baptize "in the name of Jesus" means to do so under His divine authority and commission. A phrase that doesn't need to be said when you go underwater.

• One can say, " I baptized you by the authority of the Lord Jesus Christ."
• by the authority gave me an Apostle of the Lord Jesus Christ, I baptize you."
• The authority of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, I baptize you. "
• "As Jesus said in Matthew 28:19, I baptize you by the Authority of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit ."

All are valid biblical ways to baptize .

You say this like it's true.

"Salvation occurs before baptism. Baptism is the first act of obedience for a new believer—an outward expression of the inward transformation. This aligns with the born again experience described by Jesus in John 3, and further clarified by Paul in Romans 6."

HIS word says this is how we get rid of our sins.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Then you believe that we can be reborn and never get rid of our sins!!

How can we be reborn without getting rid of them?

John 3 and Romans 6 does not clarify that.

1. How can we be reborn and never get rid of our sins?
2. Where does HIS word say "Baptism is the first act of obedience for a new believer—an outward expression of the inward transformation"
3. What do you think we have to do to be reborn?

 

[Wansvic]

True. Though remission is not contingent upon immersion.

See scripture:

"And he (Ananias) said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest KNOW HIS WILL and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth.
For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard.
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord. (Acts 22:14-16 - Paul's water baptism)

"be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins...
Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls." (Acts 2:38, 42)


To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins...
Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days. (Acts 10:43, 47-48)

 

[Wansvic]

I don't think God has any limits, where you get that false narrative is ridiculous

In post 1429 you stated: "Did not the Father Speak when Jesus was being water-baptized? How did that happen if Jesus is the Father
Oh, that's right, Jesus is a ventriloquist. "

Consider what Jesus said to Nicodemus while standing right in front of him:
"If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man WHICH IS IN HEAVEN." John 3:12-13

 

[Wansvic]

I am not Mocking God, but that is what you and others have stated: Jesus was the voice speaking from Heaven.

Now, deny that.

Again, Jesus words:
"If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man WHICH IS IN HEAVEN." John 3:12-13

"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory." 1 Tim. 3:16

 

[Wansvic]

The Holy Spirit is not a distinct "person."

Really ?

What does the word of God say?

Eph 4:30

"And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption."

1Thess 5:19

19 Do not quench the Spirit.


Jesus called the Holy Spirit the Comforter and said when HE comes John chapter 14

Everything is in the Person language. You can't grieve a force, you can't lie to the wind, you can't quench something that is not real


Jesus' words: Give the Holy Spirit Personalification. Emotion, actions, and personality. Yet you can't fully know all GOD is, but you think you do.

I should have been more precise. I do not believe scripture indicates the Holy Spirit one of three separate "persons." But rather, that God is one, and manifests Himself as the Father in creation, Son in redemption, and Holy Spirit in regeneration. Great is the mystery. (1 Tim. 3:16, Col. 2:9-12)

 

[lrs68]

Didache (The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles)

– c. 50–120 A.D.





📜 Didache 7:1 (Greek):



Περὶ δὲ τοῦ βαπτίσματος, οὕτως βαπτίσατε· ταῦτα πάντα προειπόντες, βαπτίσατε εἰς τὸ ὄνομα τοῦ Πατρὸς καὶ τοῦ Υἱοῦ καὶ τοῦ Ἁγίου Πνεύματος ἐν ὕδατι ζῶντι.



Translation:

“Now concerning baptism, baptize thus: having said all these things beforehand, baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in living (running) water.”

• Very early extra-biblical Christian manual, possibly written during or shortly after the Apostolic Age.
• Uses the Trinitarian formula, showing it was in liturgical use by at least the early 2nd century, if not earlier.

🔹 4.

Justin Martyr – First Apology, c. 155 A.D.





📜 First Apology 61.3:



“For in the name of God the Father and Lord of the universe, and of our Savior Jesus Christ, and of the Holy Spirit, they then receive the washing with water.”

• Reflects the continued use of the Trinitarian formula in the mid-2nd century.
• Also connects baptism with rebirth and enlightenment.

Just a side thought here but the Didache was actually one of the Books considered for the Canon and voted on. It was placed into the same category as the non Holy Spirit Inspired and agnostic sections. In other words, it's just someone's opinion and no one believes that the Disciples were in any way connected to such practices.

Also, the Catholic Church, hence Justin Martyr, always Baptized Matthew 28:19 but everyone else was Baptizing as we read in the Book of Acts. They even documented it.

Read last paragraph: Into Christ

 

[Wansvic]

The Apostle Paul, who was The Apostle sent to The Gentiles, did not preach water baptism! To many take any part of The Scriptures and use Them as They desire!
Paul was sent to The Gentiles; all others went to Isreal only! Yet people keep taking what was for Isreal ONLY; under The Kingdom Heaven doctrine, and apply It to Today!

Paul preached that which was for, The Kingdom Of God. There is a VAST DIFFERENCE between The Two! This seems to be ignored by Those Today, who wrongly use The Bible scriptures!
Keep That which is for This Age, to This Age, not for the last Age!

If one is willing many misconceptions can be washed away through studying the account recorded in Acts 19.

1. Paul told 12 Ephesians that baptism in the name of Jesus was required. (Acts 19:4-5, 7) After they were baptized Paul laid hands upon them and they received the Holy Ghost. Note this interaction took place some 20+ years after the apostle Peter first presented that fact. (Acts 2:38) Clearly, the gospel message Paul had been preaching all along included the water baptism command.

2. Acts 19:8-10 reveal Paul stayed in the area disputing and persuading things concerning the kingdom of God. Surely this would have included baptism in the name of Jesus. Especially since he had just recently revealed the truth to the 12 men who joined him. (verse 9)

3. The account clarifies Paul preached the gospel to both Jews and Gentiles: "And this continued by the space of two years; so that all they which dwelt in Asia heard the word of the Lord Jesus, both Jews and Greeks." (verse 10)

Sadly, just as is the case today, those Paul preached to refused to accept his message, even going to the extent of speaking evil against it:

"But when divers (several) were hardened, and believed not, but spake evil of that way before the multitude, he departed from them, and separated the disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus.
And this continued by the space of two years; so that all they which dwelt in Asia heard the word of the Lord Jesus, both Jews and Greeks." (verses 9-10)

 

[Wansvic]

Yeah , God our creator became a man ( the son ) in order to redeem us from death.

“Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood,

he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; and deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭2:14-17‬ ‭

what happened was in the Old Testament God in heaven who is a spirit looked down and saw that mankind had become wicked again and lost judgement again but this time …..there was no intercessor there was no Moses , or Abraham , no Noah , or jacob there was no levite no son of Aaron Who was worthy Toni tercede for mans sin because God saw that all had sinned and there wasn’t even a single person left worthy to intercede for all had sinned

“The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, To see if there were any that did understand, And seek God. They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: There is none that doeth good, no, not one.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭14:2-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And judgment is turned away backward, and justice standeth afar off: for truth is fallen in the street, and equity cannot enter. Yea, truth faileth; and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey: and the LORD saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment. And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor: therefore his arm brought salvation unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him. For he put on righteousness as a breastplate, and an helmet of salvation upon his head; and he put on the garments of vengeance for clothing, and was clad with zeal as a cloke.

According to their deeds, accordingly he will repay, fury to his adversaries, recompence to his enemies; to the islands he will repay recompence. So shall they fear the name of the LORD from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun.

And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the LORD.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭59:14-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬


the concept is that the only true God became the one of us that was worthy To intercede for our sin . by being born one of us in the flesh and blood living a life like we do as a man, facing the temptations of the flesh and overcoming them without sin. And then willingly laying down his righteous earthly life in order to cover out imperfect earthly lives as an atonement and propitiation. To save the world he lives if they will believe


This doesn’t mean Gods spirit is now only in one place his spirit fills the heavens always and as the holy fgosr fille peoples hearts ot will also fill a new earth eventually through Christ

One God is all sufficient he is God and savior and redeemer and the spirit who comes to dwell with us he is the high priest and intercessor he even became a condemned “ sinner “ on the cross of course he didn’t sin but he died being accused of blasphemy.

if you read a lot of the prophets you’ll find God foretold his plan of what he was going to do in the prophets .

“The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God. and the glory of the LORD shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

….The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.

; say unto the cities of Judah, Behold your God! Behold, the Lord GOD will come with strong hand, and his arm shall rule for him: behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him.

He shall feed his flock like a shepherd: he shall gather the lambs with his arm, and carry them in his bosom, and shall gently lead those that are with young.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭40:3, 5, 8-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

When you read a lot of those you see ot everywhere that he was always saying from heaven tbat he was going to come and save his people being born of a virgin dying for sin being raised up again and ascending to the throne of heaven , even returning at the end of the world to judge it in righteousness and every man by thier deeds ect

Bit it’s always consistent that the Lord God is one and he would reveal his name when he came to be among the people ….

Jesus the man is the God of heaven manifest in the form of man because we needed an intercessor and there wasn’t one our god loves us and so he himself became the man worthy to intercede . To do this as a man he had to submit to God and obey him as is our duty and role .

Thank you for including so much scripture--it sure speaks to the heart no matter how many times I hear it!

"The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make straight in the desert a highway for our God." Isaiah 40:3, Luke 3:3-4) Make straight in the desert a highway for who? FOR OUR GOD. Hallelujah, Thank you Jesus!

 

[Mouse_Cheeks]

See scripture:

"And he (Ananias) said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest KNOW HIS WILL and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth.
For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard.
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord. (Acts 22:14-16 - Paul's water baptism)

"be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins...
Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls." (Acts 2:38, 42)


To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins...
Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days. (Acts 10:43, 47-48)

The Jews at that time were familiar with the Mikzah.
Which is why the reference,wash away thy sins,and call on the name of the Lord.

I don't think we can say,anyone not Baptized is not Saved.
Baptism in the Holy Spirit has a different definition in various denominations. Though I think that Baptism is the primary blessing for both Salvation and remission.

 

[CS1]

Many believe and obey the Lord without hesitation and I would certainly not label that kind of trust in Jesus as arrogance but rather evidence of faith. And, I've answered your question concerning water baptism in the name of Jesus with the best evidence possible and that's scripture. You just refuse to accept it. There is no reason for us to continue this discussion. But I do truly pray that increase will come from the seeds planted and watered.

LOL seeds planted when you think those who have come to know the Lord Jesus through hearing the gospel message came under conviction of the Holy Spirit , repented for their sins and surrender to the Lord and received his grace by faith and were water baptized in The name of the Father , Son and Holy Spirit are not saved because the man who baptized the did not say " in Jesus Name."


That is the most unbiblical foolishness' I have ever heard. When they repented asked the LORD Jesus for forgiveness. Received the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and asked The Lord to come into their heart and life and be Lord and Saviour. Doing all that as scriptures say to to John 3:16-19 Matthew 28:19, Romans 10:9-11

IS taken way because one was not water baptized in Jesus name only


is error in understanding of the word of GOD

 

[CS1]

In Jesus dwells the fulness of the Godhead. (Col. 2:9-12) God is a Spirit and those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in Truth. (John 4:24)

Jesus words:
"If ye love me, keep my commandments.

And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, (Rom. 6:3-6) and I in you. (Acts 2:4)" John 14:15-20

FYI, Dwelling in the fullness of something doesn't mean limitation or nonexistence of the Father. It is not subtraction it is an addition. Yes, God is Spirit and His Spirit and has a Son who is also God. Jesus said He is the way, the truth ,and the life to the Father Jesus did not say THE fATHER IS non-existent

 

[CS1]

What do you think of this verse?

JESUS speaking to Nicodemus.

John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

JESUS is ON THE EARTH and he is also IN HEAVEN!!

That is a very Good question The Lord Jesus is saying that man did not become God, God became man..

 

[CS1]

@CS1,No,they are not.

Sad, that you have no respect for God. Nor are you aware of scripture.

yea you would think that. Taken totally out of context.

 

[Mouse_Cheeks]

yea you would think that. Taken totally out of context.

Not in the least.

You said: "
....Did not the Father Speak when Jesus was being water-baptized? How did that happen if Jesus is the Father

Oh, that's right, Jesus is a ventriloquist."

Everything in that excerpt that closes the prior copy and paste you posted tells me,you dont know what we all are talking about when we discuss God and his words.

No one who is in Christ mocks Jesus and disrespects him with sarcasm as you did there.

You have nothing more to offer Christians discussing the Bible.

 

[CS1]

You say this like it's true.

"Salvation occurs before baptism. Baptism is the first act of obedience for a new believer—an outward expression of the inward transformation. This aligns with the born again experience described by Jesus in John 3, and further clarified by Paul in Romans 6."

HIS word says this is how we get rid of our sins.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Then you believe that we can be reborn and never get rid of our sins!!

How can we be reborn without getting rid of them?

John 3 and Romans 6 does not clarify that.

1. How can we be reborn and never get rid of our sins?
2. Where does HIS word say "Baptism is the first act of obedience for a new believer—an outward expression of the inward transformation"
3. What do you think we have to do to be reborn?

Water did not replace the blood of Jesus. Anyone who teaches that doesn't know the word of God. God requires Blood for the removal of sin this is why the Scripture says in Hbrws 9:12-15

12 Not with the blood of goats and calves, but with His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.

13 For if the blood of bulls and goats and the ashes of a heifer, sprinkling the unclean, sanctifies for the purifying of the flesh,
14 how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? 15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.

col 1:20
20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

Eph 1:7

7 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace

You are making water more important than the Cross and the Blood of Jesus. Blasphemious.

 

[Ouch]

That is a very Good question The Lord Jesus is saying that man did not become God, God became man..

Yep, and why he is here on earth he is also in Heaven.