The Error of KJV-Onlyism

[Bible_Highlighter]

If I remember correctly, the newly arrived immigrants in America didn't bring a KJB, but the Geneva. Also, there was much protest and rejection of the new KJV when it was first published. Sound familiar?

If you know Bible history and the US, the first settlement here in America was named after King James who authorized the King James Bible. In 1637, there was a theological crisis in the Puritan Church. It was the Antinomian Controversy led by Anne Hutchinson who was teaching Antinomianism. One historian notes that this event was the battle of the translations between the King James Bible and the Geneva Bible. In the end, Anne Hutchinson was banished from the colony along with the Geneva translation, and its troublesome notes. By the 18th century (1700s), the King James Bible reigned supreme here in America. The first entire English Bible printed on American soil was "the Aitken's Bible" in 1782. It was even approved by Congress. While it did not go over well financially, others quickly took up the helm in continuing to pass the torch in making the King James Bible the authority here in this country. I did a deep write up on the King James Bible in America in my 101 Reasons for the King James Bible. So you can refer to it when it is finished.

 

[Niki7]

THIS is excellent. This should make one pause.

Apparently, Jesus is still asking 'Who do you say I am?' Many in third world countries without a Bible, know who He is.

 

[Dino246]

Yes, I have. Several times in this thread in fact. The burden of proof is on you to go back to my list and refute them.

The burden of proof is always on the person making the claim.

I believe I have become the enemy because I tell the truth that people do not like to hear.

Pathetic victim mentality wrapped up in self-righteousness.

 

[Niki7]

False doctrine can lead one astray. This is what the Modern Bibles teach in certain places. Plus, the Bible is a big book. If it was only about how to “get saved” or to be initially saved, it would be a lot smaller.

Yes. And your tiresome diatribe is proof.

However, your thesis on the KJ is not doctrine. It is simply your doctrine because you lack understanding in something so basic that birds singing in the morning reveal they know more than you do.

Modern Bibles teach salvation? The Bible is a big book? Do I sound even close to someone who teaches just get saved?

You insult the intelligence of most people here. You insult the very design of this earth created by God

You brag and puff yourself up with your supposed knowledge and yet you forsake the reason the book was written in the first place

Jesus did not die to perfect our doctrine. He already had the religious leaders of the nation He came to spouting all the doctrine one could possibly learn in a lifetime. He did not commend them. IF you were to actually apply scripture with an unbiased heart, you might possibly find yourself in a rebuke handed out by the very Word you think you know.

Jesus said suffer the little children to come unto me......that is a very hard thing for someone so hung up on words to grasp. If God is our Father, then we are all but little children.

 

[Niki7]

Red herring.

In other words, "I can't respond adequately to your post so I'm going to throw up some vaguely-relevant accusatory question to get the attention off me and my non-response."

Ain't gonna fly, dude.

Definitley a case study in:

deflection

The healthiest and most mature reaction we can have when confronted with our own mistakes is to stop, think about the situation, and apologise. However, this can be a difficult and uncomfortable thing to do, which is why we often end up shifting the blame away from ourselves. In psychology, this is called deflection, and it’s one of the most common defence mechanisms.

What is deflection?
According to Sigmund Freud, people use 12 defence mechanisms to protect themselves from difficult, anxiety-inducing thoughts. Deflection is one of these mechanisms.



Deflecting typically appears in conflictual situations, when a person is confronted with their mistakes. Instead of accepting responsibility and facing the uncomfortable situation head-on, the deflectors will try to move the focus from themselves, usually by passing the blame onto someone or something else.


Signs that someone may be a deflector:

• Nothing is ever their fault. Whenever something goes wrong, they pass the blame to someone else.
• They don’t know how to deal with conflict and look visibly uncomfortable talking about their mistakes.
• Every time you try talking about their mistakes, they shut down or tell you that you misinterpreted things.
• After many unsuccessful attempts, you may end up avoiding confrontation altogether because it makes you guilty or frustrated.

They walk among us.

 

[Sipsey]

If you know Bible history and the US, the first settlement here in America was named after King James who authorized the King James Bible. In 1637, there was a theological crisis in the Puritan Church. It was the Antinomian Controversy led by Anne Hutchinson who was teaching Antinomianism. One historian notes that this event was the battle of the translations between the King James Bible and the Geneva Bible. In the end, Anne Hutchinson was banished from the colony along with the Geneva translation, and its troublesome notes. By the 18th century (1700s), the King James Bible reigned supreme here in America. The first entire English Bible printed on American soil was "the Aitken's Bible" in 1782. It was even approved by Congress. While it did not go over well financially, others quickly took up the helm in continuing to pass the torch in making the King James Bible the authority here in this country. I did a deep write up on the King James Bible in America in my 101 Reasons for the King James Bible. So you can refer to it when it is finished.[/QUOTE]


You use a lot of words to say little, and you seem to make a tremendous effort to prove how learned you think you are.

 

[Dino246]

The thing is that you wouldn’t question 1 John 5:7 and you would believe it was Scripture by faith during the 1700s here in America. But today, because some heretics known as Westcott and Hort wanted to secretly dethrone the KJB and the TR, everyone now follows these two men and or the movement they started.

Speculation as to what might have happened in the 1700's does not add anything to this discussion.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

HUH I am reading the same Bible you are reading.

Do you believe 1 John 5:7 should be in our Bible?

I am not an evolutionist.

I am not referring to the belief of Darwinism.
I am referring to Textual Criticism's belief in a text that is constantly evolving and changing for the better.
They believe there are yet more manuscripts to be discovered because they do not have a perfect Bible.

She had 3 children to other lovers. Hosea forgave her, though he did threaten to put her away.

He made a new covenant with her. YOU are reading it backwards.

This has nothing to do with the main point being made in Hosea 1:2.
Don’t take issue with me over it, take it up with the Textual Critic or the majority of Christians.
I am not the one who believes that God told Hosea to marry a practicing prostitute.
They are the ones who believe that. If you believe that, then that is your choice.
I believe the King James Bible when it says,

"...Go, take unto thee a wife of whoredoms and children of whoredoms:
for the land hath committed great whoredom, departing from the LORD." (Hosea 1:2) (KJV).

The land is the people and they committed great whoredom not by prostitution but by idolatry.
Clearly, not all the people in the region were prostitutes. That would be silly.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

You use a lot of words to say little, and you seem to make a tremendous effort to prove how learned you think you are.

Insults are not becoming of the saints. This also does not address the reality of what I said, either.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

Speculation as to what might have happened in the 1700's does not add anything to this discussion.

I am just saying that if you believed the Bible back then, and you didn't question it, then you would believe 1 John 5:7. Any Christian would do so if they are bible believing Christians. There was no knowledge not to believe in 1 John 5:7. Unless one was an Arian, and they did not like that verse, they would accept it because it teaches the Trinity.

 

[Sipsey]

Insults are not becoming of the saints. This also does not address the reality of what I said, either.

I think your many posts (voluminous) have earned valid evaluations because of your cavalier dismissal of many on here who have tried to show you that you ain’t as smart as you think.

 

[CS1]

1 John 5:7 is supported by many other verses, so yes, it is established as a Normative in the totality of Scriptures.

 

[Lanolin]

Jamestown was one the first of the colonies right.

But it did not stay that way, because of civil wars, Boston Tea party, if you descendant of the Mayflower, sure, KJV would be your only Bible. But the founding fathers opened up US to worship in any way they please, even without Kings or any monarchs authorisation. Catholics emigrated to the US as well as Quakers, Batpists, Puritans...episcopalians broke away from the church of England.

Mormons, JWs, Christian scientists, scientologists, 7th day adventists, shakers, mennonites, amish...all found root on american soil, as well as pentecostals and charismatics. They wanted their own translations of the Bible in americanese and they didnt want association with a monarch they refused to pay taxes to keep. Unfortunately they then looked to alternative manuscript that the KJV didnt use that had bits missing. Hence general confusion.

I dont think you can say well theres just ONE church in america. There isnt. In the dedication on the KJV it does not mention America but it does mention 'we shall be traduced by Popish persons at home or abroad, who therefore malign us, because we are poor instruments to make Gods Holy Truth to be yet more and more known to people, who. they desire still to keep in ignorance and darkness; or if on the other side, we shall be maligned by self-conceited Brethren, who run their own ways, and give liking unto nothing, but what is framed by themselves, and hammered on their anvil; we may rest secure, supported within by the truth and innocency of a good conscience, having walked in the ways of simplicity and integrity, as before the Lord; and sustained without by the powerful protection of your Majesty's grace and favour, which will ever give countenance to honest and Chrstian endeavours against bitter censures and uncharitable imputations'

This is quoted from the preface. Read the whole preface to the KJV for yourselves. Are not Americans a nation who ran their own ways after rejecting the English monarch. Didnt they have a Catholic president, when in England they would have beheaded any ruling catholic?

 

[Dino246]

I am just saying speculating that if...

Fixed it for you. I'm not interested at all in your speculations.

 

[Dino246]

1 John 5:7 is supported by many other verses, so yes, it is established as a Normative in the totality of Scriptures.

I came to my certainty regarding the Trinity without 1 John 5:7.

 

[Lanolin]

Do you believe 1 John 5:7 should be in our Bible?



I am not referring to the belief of Darwinism.
I am referring to Textual Criticism's belief in a text that is constantly evolving and changing for the better.
They believe there are yet more manuscripts to be discovered because they do not have a perfect Bible.



This has nothing to do with the main point being made in Hosea 1:2.
Don’t take issue with me over it, take it up with the Textual Critic or the majority of Christians.
I am not the one who believes that God told Hosea to marry a practicing prostitute.
They are the ones who believe that. If you believe that, then that is your choice.
I believe the King James Bible when it says,

"...Go, take unto thee a wife of whoredoms and children of whoredoms:
for the land hath committed great whoredom, departing from the LORD." (Hosea 1:2) (KJV).

The land is the people and they committed great whoredom not by prostitution but by idolatry.
Clearly, not all the people in the region were prostitutes. That would be silly.

you dont seem to know what Whoredom means.
Hosea married a woman who had children with other men not him. She had love children.
land commiting whoredom means they loved their the flesh not the Lord

Im not the one saying whoredom...the KJV is. It does not say idolatry, it says whoredom. It does not say a wife of idols and children of idols.

Hosea himself says Gomer played the harlot. Harlot is a word meaning prositute. To spell it out for you, she had sex with someone not her husband. For money, who knows, but she would go with any man she wanted and take them for lovers.

This is quite a different thing than merely worshipping other idols because other religions have people who stay faithful to each other in marriage and can be monogamous too even if they worship idols.

 

[Lanolin]

Book of Hosea is very explicit even in KJV what the whoredom was.
She wore fine jewellery and had flax and oil and silver and gold. her lovers gave her vines and fig trees. Is not that prostitution. ...sex for money or fine things. She decked herself with earrings and jewels. in the OT idol worship was connected with whoredom.

Love children are children of whoredom. Its not saying they are prostitutes but they are regarded as unclean, illegitimate or bastards.

I dont have any issue with what God was doing with Hosea to teach Israel. They needed that lesson.

 

[Lanolin]

1 John 5:7
is in the KJV bible. Yes its there. So?

I dont believe it shouldnt be there, Its there! Im not the one cutting anything out of the Bible. Im not the one saying Hosea fornicated, cos he didnt.

You sir, are making mountains out of molehills. And your argument is not with me, or the KJV. Its your own interpretation of it.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

Yes. And your tiresome diatribe is proof.

Colossians 4:6
“Let your speech be alway with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man.”

However, your thesis on the KJ is not doctrine. It is simply your doctrine because you lack understanding in something so basic that birds singing in the morning reveal they know more than you do.

For starters, see Psalms 12:6-7, Isaiah 34:16, John 10:35, 1 Peter 1:23, 1 Corinthians 1:10, Proverbs 30:5, 1 Peter 1:23-25.

Modern Bibles teach salvation?

Yes. In verses like 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, and 2 Thessalonians 2:13.

The Bible is a big book?

Yes. 66 books, 1,189 chapters, 31, 102 verses.

Do I sound even close to someone who teaches just get saved?

Most of Christianity believes salvation is a one time event that cannot be undone.

You insult the intelligence of most people here.

That would be a matter of perspective that not everyone would share.

You insult the very design of this earth created by God

I don’t recall ever doing that, but you are free to have your own opinion.

You brag and puff yourself up with your supposed knowledge

One has to prove that the knowledge that I have put forth is “supposed knowledge.”
One also has to prove that I am puffed up by this knowledge, as well.
I have no ill will towards you or others here.
I also do not think I am better than others here.
I realize that I am nothing and Christ is everything.
I may strongly disagree, but that does not equate with superiority.
I am just sharing what I believe the Bible teaches.
If you do not agree, we can agree to disagree.

and yet you forsake the reason the book was written in the first place

And what might that be?

Jesus did not die to perfect our doctrine.

1 Timothy 4:16
“Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.”

He already had the religious leaders of the nation He came to spouting all the doctrine one could possibly learn in a lifetime. He did not commend them. IF you were to actually apply scripture with an unbiased heart, you might possibly find yourself in a rebuke handed out by the very Word you think you know.

Not sure what you are trying to say here. If you are referring to Jesus spouting doctrine you would be correct to a degree.
If you are referring to the Jews spouting all doctrine and yet Jesus did not commend them for it, then that would not be exactly true if you are referring to doctrines that come from God. The Pharisees actually ignored the weightier matters of the Law like love, faith, justice, and mercy (See: Matthew 23:23, and Luke 11:42).

Jesus said suffer the little children to come unto me......that is a very hard thing for someone so hung up on words to grasp.

Jesus was hung up on words. Jesus said His words are spirit, and they are life (John 6:63).
Jesus said if we do not receive His words, those words will judge us on the last day (John 12:48).
Jesus cares about the details of God’s Word, when He said, “For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.” (Matthew 5:18).

If God is our Father, then we are all but little children.

While that may be true, in another sense, we also are told to no longer be children.

Ephesians 4:14
”That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;”

I have already demonstrated the changed doctrines in Modern Bibles in this thread several times that a person can be tossed to and fro with. I would be happy to share them with you if you missed them.

May God’s good ways shine upon you.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

1 John 5:7
is in the KJV bible. Yes its there. So?

I dont believe it shouldnt be there, Its there!

Most of Christianity who are into Textual Criticism and who uplift their precious Vaticanus and Sinaiticus manuscripts would disagree with you. They went so far as to move some words in 1 John 5:8 to place in the empty spot where 1 John 5:7 is. Meaning, they are trying to be deliberately deceptive to deceive new readers about the missing verse.

Im not the one cutting anything out of the Bible. Im not the one saying Hosea fornicated, cos he didnt.

You sir, are making mountains out of molehills. And your argument is not with me, or the KJV. Its your own interpretation of it.

You’re missing the point. We can disagree on the whole Hosea thing. I have my belief, and you have yours. That is only one link in the chain of many evidences that show that the King James Bible is the Word of God. I have 101 Reasons for the KJB and currently the Hosea point is only a sub article point or added info. on my list; I also have 10 Categories that show that the King James Bible is the Pure Word of God, as well. Surely there must be something out of that information that would make you scratch your chin and take a step back, and reconsider that the KJB is the Word of God for today.