The Fall of Babylon

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SpoonJuly

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While I agree that society has been conditioned to a cashless system, I believe that most are missing a very important fact about buying and selling during the tribulation.
With war, earthquakes, and objects falling from the sky, there will be total chaos all around the world.
What little food that is not destroyed will be in the hands of a few, and those few will probable be pledged to the anti-Christ, so he will control the worlds food supply. And with such chaos, food is all that will matter.
I believe that the mark will be about buying food, not about making the mortgage or utility payments.
I believe that the monetary system will crash, but the mark is about buying food because nothing else matters when one is hungry.
 

dcontroversal

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I do not buy Babylon as ROME.....JOHN knew of ROME, had been in ROME, was exiled by ROME and he called it a MYSTERY CITY......The Rome of today STILL contains identifiable markers that would have allowed JOHN to identify it as such........and regardless....the characteristics of the MYSTERY city in REVELATION do not fit ROME.......
 

Deade

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Agreed, but we also have to remember that John is seeing the future. God gives us plenty of clues regarding Babylon the great. One of the most important is when the angel tells John:

" the woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth.”

At the time that John was receiving this information Rome was that city that ruled over the kings of the earth. It points us in the future to Rome and her idolatrous religious beliefs and practices which became Roman Catholicism, a counterfeit church. Another important clue is that the angel tells John that the seven heads of the beast symbolically represent seven hills/mountains upon which the woman sits. Rome is famous for and was literally built on what is called the seven hills of Rome. Another clue is that the woman is said to be dressed in purple and scarlet, which are the exact colors worn by the bishops and cardinals of Roman Catholicism.

When we look back at all of the atrocities of the Roman Catholic church such as the inquisitions, if anyone was found to be a heretic (non Catholic) they were thrown into prison, their property was confiscated, they were tortured and many were burned. As far as Roman Catholicism is concerned, their agenda was and is that every person be under the authority of the pope as supreme. Currently they are unable to enforce this, but when that antichrist comes I believe that he will put the office of the pope back into power and that he will play the part of the false prophet.

While it is true that the information was received by John during the late first century, we who are living in the future have a better understanding of his visions and their meanings, where those of his time could not.

Roman Catholicism is Babylon the Great and will rise to power in the last days at the revealing of the antichrist. For with in her can be found many of the Babylonian pagan beliefs and practices which stem from ancient Babylon, some of which are queen of heaven worship and mother and son worship, to name a few.
We don't see eye to eye on many things but you have zeroed in on the true Babylon. It is the RCC. And it will play an important part right before our Lord comes back. She has been in bed with antichrist from the start. 3spin-grin.gif
 

cv5

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#24
Agreed! The technology for the mark has already been here in the form of the RFID chip implant under the skin of the hand, which I believe will evolve into something more applicable, but will remain consistent as being located on/in the hand or forhead.

I also believe that people have been in the process of being desensitized by the increase of tattooing and body piercing. Seeing that they are willing to have this done to their bodies and also because of the convenience factor, I believe that they will have no problem receiving an implant or circuit board tattoo which will allow them to electronically buy or sell.
It could be a lot more to it than that. Think genetic tampering. Think god-like upgrades via genetics. Think about scrambling the code in a manner similar to Genesis 6. Think irreversible alteration that defiles a man. Think of millions making a willful choice because of succumbing to the temptation to "be like God".
 

Alertandawake

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While I agree that society has been conditioned to a cashless system, I believe that most are missing a very important fact about buying and selling during the tribulation.
With war, earthquakes, and objects falling from the sky, there will be total chaos all around the world.
What little food that is not destroyed will be in the hands of a few, and those few will probable be pledged to the anti-Christ, so he will control the worlds food supply. And with such chaos, food is all that will matter.
I believe that the mark will be about buying food, not about making the mortgage or utility payments.
I believe that the monetary system will crash, but the mark is about buying food because nothing else matters when one is hungry.

Does bring into question then if we talking about food shortages, that does become a problem. Does make sense that for a person in order to survive such a disaster, food rationing, martial law. Weed out the conformers and the non-conformers. And who knows what else will happen. People forced out of their properties, cannot pay rates, cannot pay rent.

I think this is something that not many people can truly comprehend how bad things can get. It will hit many like a ton of bricks. And I doubt very much today many churches will talk about this, because it is not the standard "happy and feel good" preaching we see today or the "Just believe and all will be alright" preaching we see.

Many people in my opinion will simply be not mentally prepared.
 

Alertandawake

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It could be a lot more to it than that. Think genetic tampering. Think god-like upgrades via genetics. Think about scrambling the code in a manner similar to Genesis 6. Think irreversible alteration that defiles a man. Think of millions making a willful choice because of succumbing to the temptation to "be like God".
This is what I have often thought. And I cannot help but wonder if the ultimate goal is to have the human race destined to become "robotized", literally become like robots. And with the technologies we have today, we really need to see the direction we are going. Brain chip implants, mind altering drugs.

I actually wonder if nanobots will be injected into people for the purpose of making a person compliant and agreeable, or to put another way "brain reconfiguration", have the person become nothing more than a robot.
 

SpoonJuly

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Does bring into question then if we talking about food shortages, that does become a problem. Does make sense that for a person in order to survive such a disaster, food rationing, martial law. Weed out the conformers and the non-conformers. And who knows what else will happen. People forced out of their properties, cannot pay rates, cannot pay rent.

I think this is something that not many people can truly comprehend how bad things can get. It will hit many like a ton of bricks. And I doubt very much today many churches will talk about this, because it is not the standard "happy and feel good" preaching we see today or the "Just believe and all will be alright" preaching we see.

Many people in my opinion will simply be not mentally prepared.
With all that is happing, war, earthquakes, things falling from the sky, the world economies will crash, power grids will fail, transportation will cease to exist, store shelves will be empty in hours, banks closed.
People will be out of their houses because they will be destroyed.
There will be no one to collect rent or loan payments.
Everyone will have one thing on their mind---FOOD.

You are correct---People have no concept of how bad thing are going to get and the churches that are preparing their members for what is coming could be counted on my fingers.
 

azamzimtoti

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We don't see eye to eye on many things but you have zeroed in on the true Babylon. It is the RCC. And it will play an important part right before our Lord comes back. She has been in bed with antichrist from the start. View attachment 201958
How is the RCC guilty of the blood of the prophets and apostles?

Jesus stated the blood would be required of the generation He witnessed to:

(Luke 11:49 “Therefore the wisdom of God also said, ‘I will send them prophets and apostles, and some of them they will kill and persecute )

(Luke 11:50 “that the blood of all the prophets which was shed from the foundation of the world may be required of this generation )

John stated with the destruction of the generation living in "Babylon" aka 1st century Israel/Jerusalem was to be avenged shortly:

(Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants—things which must shortly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John )

And he describes that vengeance here:

(Rev 18:20 “Rejoice over her, O heaven, and you holy apostles and prophets, for God has avenged you on her!” )

Why would the apostles and prophets rejoice over the RCC when they knew it was apostate Jews/Israel that killed them?

(Rev 18:21 Then a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone and threw it into the sea, saying, “Thus with violence the great city Babylon shall be thrown down, and shall not be found anymore. )
 

dcontroversal

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With all that is happing, war, earthquakes, things falling from the sky, the world economies will crash, power grids will fail, transportation will cease to exist, store shelves will be empty in hours, banks closed.
People will be out of their houses because they will be destroyed.
There will be no one to collect rent or loan payments.
Everyone will have one thing on their mind---FOOD.

You are correct---People have no concept of how bad thing are going to get and the churches that are preparing their members for what is coming could be counted on my fingers.
Amen.....there are 4 things that kill tribulation saints and or the people of the world......

War, disease, famine, and the beasts of the earth......the latter three being the results of WW3..........
 

Alertandawake

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Thing is, just how much longer can we avoid WW3? And with the weapons of today, my goodness, the damage they can do. Read up on Nuclear Winter for those who may not know what it is.

As crazy as this sounds, it is like mankind (generally speaking) is going to be given the opportunity to destroy himself.
 

dcontroversal

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Thing is, just how much longer can we avoid WW3? And with the weapons of today, my goodness, the damage they can do. Read up on Nuclear Winter for those who may not know what it is.

As crazy as this sounds, it is like mankind (generally speaking) is going to be given the opportunity to destroy himself.
Jesus was clear...if he does not come when he does--->NO FLESH left alive
 

Nehemiah6

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In reference to the various chapters concerning The Fall of Babylon in Revelation, like in chapter 14 and chapter 18, have people ever thought the idea that The Fall of Babylon could be a reference to the Monetary System we have in place today?
There is no connection between these two things. Today money is electronic, and with the invention of BitCoin, that is even truer.
 

Adstar

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#33
While I agree that society has been conditioned to a cashless system, I believe that most are missing a very important fact about buying and selling during the tribulation.
With war, earthquakes, and objects falling from the sky, there will be total chaos all around the world.
What little food that is not destroyed will be in the hands of a few, and those few will probable be pledged to the anti-Christ, so he will control the worlds food supply. And with such chaos, food is all that will matter.
I believe that the mark will be about buying food, not about making the mortgage or utility payments.
I believe that the monetary system will crash, but the mark is about buying food because nothing else matters when one is hungry.
The great earthquake and the meteor and meteorite shower will happen just before the return of Jesus.. But the beast will come to power years before these things happen.. So there will be a final Biblical hour when the beast and his followers on earth will have their day in the sunshine as it where.. When they will believe they have finally achieved a perfect nirvana on earth..
 

SpoonJuly

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The great earthquake and the meteor and meteorite shower will happen just before the return of Jesus.. But the beast will come to power years before these things happen.. So there will be a final Biblical hour when the beast and his followers on earth will have their day in the sunshine as it where.. When they will believe they have finally achieved a perfect nirvana on earth..[/QUOTE

When people begin to a put specific time that the events of the end time will take place, there is a lot of opinions and speculation involved. But I believe that the order is clearly laid out with the seven seals, followed by the seven trumps, followed by the seven bowls of God's wrath.
I believe that Israel will be attacked by the anti-christ and driven into the wilderness when the first seal is opened and that will result in the beginning of WW3. Seals 2, 3, and 4 are a result of what happens with the attack on Israel and WW3. Israel will be in the wilderness for 1260 days before Jesus return. I believe the sixth seal is opened as Israel is driven into the wilderness. So the events of the seven trumps will be taking place during those last 1260 days before Jesus returns and that is when the mark of the beast will come.
 

Silence

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In reference to the various chapters concerning The Fall of Babylon in Revelation, like in chapter 14 and chapter 18, have people ever thought the idea that The Fall of Babylon could be a reference to the Monetary System we have in place today?

With the amount of debt that has been accumulated is just so mind staggering, to the point the only way to clear it is to wipe it off as a bad debt.

Unfortunately today, another problem with debt is in many ways, the fault of the people, as many that don't have the money want to have the latest cool gadgets and other fancy electronics, they get themselves caught in these finance plans, that can actually have a high interest rate if they don't pay off in the time given.

I know that the USD is the world reserve currency, but what if the monetary system was to collapse and the USD becomes worthless? Being the world reserve would that not cause catastrophic consequences on the world market? Cannot buy if the money you hold is worth nothing.
Yes as long as people seem just material thing it will not bring happiness as it is a temporary fix i know someone with two large houses who is very depressed and says he wants too get rid of them. I try and get what I need not what I want the banking system well I don't know what goes on I suppose they just want too make more and more money is it good and right to have millions.
 

calibob

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It could be a lot more to it than that. Think genetic tampering. Think god-like upgrades via genetics. Think about scrambling the code in a manner similar to Genesis 6. Think irreversible alteration that defiles a man. Think of millions making a willful choice because of succumbing to the temptation to "be like God".
So quit buying Monsanto GMO corn. They brought us wonderful products like Round Up and Agent Orange!
 

calibob

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"The people worship well, but there's no preparation for My time bomb in human history." 2Thess 2v7
2 Thessalonians 2:5-7 5Don't you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things? 6And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. 7For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way.
New International Version , Copyright 2011-2019 Biblica
 

jb

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2 Thessalonians 2:5-7 5Don't you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things? 6And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. 7For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way.
New International Version , Copyright 2011-2019 Biblica
Pretty pointless reply without an explanation!
 

calibob

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Pretty pointless reply without an explanation!
It was the correct in context verse, part of which you said you quoted! From the Niv. It sounded quite wrong so I looked it up.