The Falling Away - pre-trib rapture or ???

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John146 said:
Elijah is a Jewish prophet. All his actions are for the Jews, not the church. Elijah will appear in the tribulation, the time of Jacob's trouble. The church is gone.
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False report saying the church will be gone - from the mouths of men whose words abide not in Scripture.

This statement "the church will be gone" never came from the Mouth of God.

The Day of Jacob's Trouble (DoJT) occurs just before the Second Coming of Christ.

There is only ONE Second Coming of Christ - His Coming - the Day of Christ - the Day of the Lord = all Same Day.

pre-trib corrupts, twists and turns down the wide path of mens words and never found in Scripture.
 
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DavidTree said:
And Enoch walked with God in the midst of great tribulation until the day that God took Him.
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Enoch never reached the great tribulation. He was taken before it came.
 
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DavidTree said:
False report saying the church will be gone - from the mouths of men whose words abide not in Scripture.

This statement "the church will be gone" never came from the Mouth of God.

The Day of Jacob's Trouble (DoJT) occurs just before the Second Coming of Christ.

There is only ONE Second Coming of Christ - His Coming - the Day of Christ - the Day of the Lord = all Same Day.

pre-trib corrupts, twists and turns down the wide path of mens words and never found in Scripture.
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Yes, there is only one second coming. During the rapture of the church, the Lord never steps foot on the earth, but catches us up in the clouds.

In your opinion, when does the Judgment Seat of Christ occur?
 
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John146 said:
Elijah is a Jewish prophet. All his actions are for the Jews, not the church. Elijah will appear in the tribulation, the time of Ja

The Jewish People belong to God for His Purpose which was to send His Son into a virgin of the ancestry from the tribe of Judah.

The Jewish people have everything to do with God's Plan of Salvation, including their temporary casting away.

There is only ONE Gospel - for the Jew first and also for the Gentile.
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John146 said:
Enoch never reached the great tribulation. He was taken before it came.
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Right.

Enoch... ONE MAN... translated before judgment came upon the earth (completely outside of the time period of judgment).





"Enoch" [H2585; G1802] = "dedicated / dedication" or "initiated"
 
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John146 said:
Yes, there is only one second coming. During the rapture of the church, the Lord never steps foot on the earth, but catches us up in the clouds.

In your opinion, when does the Judgment Seat of Christ occur?
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Please bear with me in my shortness, i do not have typing skills and the best eyes and my PC is old and ready to die.

For your Good and for Your Blessing always remember Jesus said : I AM the Resurrection - He never said rapture.

Now, there is a rapture that will take place at His Coming but only AFTER the Resurrection.
They will both be at His Coming but only the RESURRECTION comes First.

The lie of pre-trib has this reversed - and do you know who reverses what God has said - satan.
 
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John146 said:
Enoch never reached the great tribulation. He was taken before it came.
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False - He was right in it - you must rely on scripture and not men's words.

pre-trib rapture does not exist in Scripture

Who did Enoch face tribulation from???
 
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John146 said:
Elijah is a Jewish prophet. All his actions are for the Jews, not the church. Elijah will appear in the tribulation, the time of Jacob's trouble. The church is gone.
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The Jewish People belong to God for His Purpose which was to send His Son into a virgin of the ancestry from the tribe of Judah.

The Jewish people have everything to do with God's Plan of Salvation, including their temporary casting away.

There is only ONE Gospel - for the Jew first and also for the Gentile.
 
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TheDivineWatermark said:
Right.

Enoch... ONE MAN... translated before judgment came upon the earth (completely outside of the time period of judgment).





"Enoch" [H2585; G1802] = "dedicated / dedication" or "initiated"
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The Judgment was God's wrath which you, in error and defiance of Scripture, falsely equate with tribulation.

The error of pre-trib must create more and more errors to cover it's twisting path.

Enoch was on earth in tribulation as was Noah as was the Apostle John when our Lord gave him His Revelation.
 
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DavidTree said:
The Jewish People belong to God for His Purpose which was to send His Son into a virgin of the ancestry from the tribe of Judah.

The Jewish people have everything to do with God's Plan of Salvation, including their temporary casting away.

There is only ONE Gospel - for the Jew first and also for the Gentile.
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When does the JSOC occur in your timeline?
 
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John146 said:
When does the JSOC occur in your timeline?
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i do not have a opinion or timeline on these things - follow the Words of God which cannot lie to us.

But if we, add our words to God's or take away from God's words - then we are not true witnesses but become a false witness bearing false testimony.

“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! 38See! Your house is left to you desolate; 39for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ”
 
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DavidTree said:
i do not have a opinion or timeline on these things - follow the Words of God which cannot lie to us.

But if we, add our words to God's or take away from God's words - then we are not true witnesses but become a false witness bearing false testimony.

“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! 38See! Your house is left to you desolate; 39for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ”
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You could have just said, I don't know...
 
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John146 said:
When does the JSOC occur in your timeline?
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The timing is with the Father only - of that day and hour knows no man, not the Son but My Father Only.

But we were given clues that reveals we are close, even at the door.

Matt 24 agrees with Daniel 7 agrees with 1 Thess & 2 Thess agrees with 1 John 2:18 agrees with Revelation
 
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DavidTree said:
The timing is with the Father only - of that day and hour knows no man, not the Son but My Father Only.

But we were given clues that reveals we are close, even at the door.

Matt 24 agrees with Daniel 7 agrees with 1 Thess & 2 Thess agrees with 1 John 2:18 agrees with Revelation
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So you believe the JSOC occurs after the second coming? Does it occur in heaven or on earth? Before or after the reign of Christ on earth?
 
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John146 said:
So you believe the JSOC occurs after the second coming? Does it occur in heaven or on earth? Before or after the reign of Christ on earth?
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What is JSOC - Judgment Seat of Christ?
 
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John146 said:
So you believe the JSOC occurs after the second coming? Does it occur in heaven or on earth? Before or after the reign of Christ on earth?
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Who determines the day of His Coming - pre-trib??? does pre-trib determine the Second Coming of Christ???
 
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DavidTree said:
What is JSOC - Judgment Seat of Christ?
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The JSOC is the judgment for believers. We will be judged according to our labor for the Lord, not sin.

2 Corinthians 5
9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

Romans 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

1 Corinthians 3
8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.
9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.
10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
 
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DavidTree said:
Who determines the day of His Coming - pre-trib??? does pre-trib determine the Second Coming of Christ???
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The Father...the rapture is a secret, unseen by those on the earth. The second coming is seen by the whole earth.
 
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John146 said:
The Father...the rapture is a secret, unseen by those on the earth. The second coming is seen by the whole earth.
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Again, this statement "the rapture is secret" never came from the Mouth of God - never.
This is from the mouths of men who are not submitted unto God on this subject.

"For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ"

The Judgment of our Lord on pre-trib is here now - today. Choose wisely

Here it is:
Every word of God is pure;
He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.
Do not add to His words,
Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar. Proverbs 30:5-6

For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. Revelation 22: 18-19
 
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DavidTree said:
Again, this statement "the rapture is secret" never came from the Mouth of God - never.
This is from the mouths of men who are not submitted unto God on this subject.

"For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ"

The Judgment of our Lord on pre-trib is here now - today.

Here it is:
Every word of God is pure;
He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.
Do not add to His words,
Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar. Proverbs 30:5-6

For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. Revelation 22: 18-19
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Why do you claim a truth and then quote scripture that has nothing to do with the topic.

Are you saying we are in the JSOC right now? Do you not take the verses I posted seriously? It is not some metaphor, but a real judgment that will take place.
 
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