The Falling Away - pre-trib rapture or ???
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"moon INTO BLOOD / BECAME AS BLOOD" is an eclipse (at a FULL moon);
"moon shall not give her light" is NOT a "FULL MOON"... (rather, occurs at a NEW MOON... i.e. "DARK").
And this is BESIDE the facts I already presented, that ONE is said to be "BEFORE the GREAT" aspect OF it (NOT before "the DOTL" IN ITS ENTIRETY, as some surmise Joel 2:31 to mean [parallel Rev6:12]. IT DOESN'T); whereas the OTHER is said to be "AFTER" the "GREAT" aspect OF it (Matt24:29-31(21)]).
[and that's also besides what I've put in past posts: Rev19... the precise time when "kings go out to battle"]
"moon shall not give her light" is NOT a "FULL MOON"... (rather, occurs at a NEW MOON... i.e. "DARK").
And this is BESIDE the facts I already presented, that ONE is said to be "BEFORE the GREAT" aspect OF it (NOT before "the DOTL" IN ITS ENTIRETY, as some surmise Joel 2:31 to mean [parallel Rev6:12]. IT DOESN'T); whereas the OTHER is said to be "AFTER" the "GREAT" aspect OF it (Matt24:29-31(21)]).
[and that's also besides what I've put in past posts: Rev19... the precise time when "kings go out to battle"]
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Well, for one thing, SEAL ONE is what Jesus Himself will be OPENING from His position IN HEAVEN (with its effects unfolding upon the earth).
And THAT is WELL-BEFORE what is called "the GREAT tribulation" (which is ONLY the SECOND HALF of those "7 years"--i.e. from the MID-point to the END of the "7 years").
SEAL ONE starts at the BEGINNING of the "7 yrs" (not at the start of the "GREAT tribulation" [3.5 yrs])
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And LIKE in Hab1:6,12, He DOES use others [on the earth] TO EXECUTE JUDGMENT -
6 For behold, I am raising up the Chaldeansc [/Babylonians]—
that ruthless and impetuous nation
which marches through the breadth of the earth
to seize dwellings not their own.
[...]
12 Are You not from everlasting,
O LORD, my God, my Holy One?
We will not die.
O LORD, You have appointed them [the Babylonians]
to execute judgment;
O Rock, You have established them
for correction.
And THAT is WELL-BEFORE what is called "the GREAT tribulation" (which is ONLY the SECOND HALF of those "7 years"--i.e. from the MID-point to the END of the "7 years").
SEAL ONE starts at the BEGINNING of the "7 yrs" (not at the start of the "GREAT tribulation" [3.5 yrs])
____________
And LIKE in Hab1:6,12, He DOES use others [on the earth] TO EXECUTE JUDGMENT -
6 For behold, I am raising up the Chaldeansc [/Babylonians]—
that ruthless and impetuous nation
which marches through the breadth of the earth
to seize dwellings not their own.
[...]
12 Are You not from everlasting,
O LORD, my God, my Holy One?
We will not die.
O LORD, You have appointed them [the Babylonians]
to execute judgment;
O Rock, You have established them
for correction.
During a lunar eclipse, at a full moon, the moon does not give it's light. It has a shadow cast upon it by the Earth. It's color is red like blood. See that now? Isaiah 13, Matt 24, and Revelation 6 are describing a lunar eclipse as a sign in the heavens after the great tribulation, before God's wrath begins.
@DavidTree , I've repeated stated that pre-tribbers AGREE there is ONLY *one* "RETURN" of Jesus Christ, and that is, "to the earth" (at Rev19).
I've listed the "RETURN" passages that speak to this (it only occurs ONCE)... for example:
--Lk12:36-37,38,40,42-44 [parallel Matt24:42-51] "when he will RETURN FROM the wedding"... THEN the meal [G347; parallel Matt8:11 and ITS parallel also, etc...]
[however, 2Th2:1's "OUR episynagoges UNTO HIM" (when ONLY *we* [/the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY] will GO to be IN HIS "PRESENCE / parousia"... TO the meeting [noun] of the Lord "IN THE AIR") is NOT the same as v.8b's "MANIFESTATION of His presence / parousia"... (when "EVERY EYE" shall see Him!!)]
I've listed the "RETURN" passages that speak to this (it only occurs ONCE)... for example:
--Lk12:36-37,38,40,42-44 [parallel Matt24:42-51] "when he will RETURN FROM the wedding"... THEN the meal [G347; parallel Matt8:11 and ITS parallel also, etc...]
[however, 2Th2:1's "OUR episynagoges UNTO HIM" (when ONLY *we* [/the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY] will GO to be IN HIS "PRESENCE / parousia"... TO the meeting [noun] of the Lord "IN THE AIR") is NOT the same as v.8b's "MANIFESTATION of His presence / parousia"... (when "EVERY EYE" shall see Him!!)]
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on the third day He will raise us up,
that we may live in His presence.
This is going on right now in His Bride, who we are.
And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with Him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, 7in order that in the coming ages He might display the surpassing riches of His grace, demonstrated by His kindness to us in Christ Jesus.
Do you know what this means - raised us up and seated us with Him
You called me a failure first and I did not even defend myself against that. When I reciprocated the same sentiment back to you, you insist you're not a failure, but just disagreed with. However, you don't afford me the same benefit as you do yourself: e.g. I'm a failure rather than disagreed with.
I see you as the hypocrite, tbh.
I see you as the hypocrite, tbh.
Speaking, IN CONTEXT, of those of whom He said "I WILL TEAR and GO AWAY" (from the point in time of His ASCENSION)... which was referencing ISRAEL, per CONTEXT: Hosea 5:14-6:3
(you are injecting something completely unrelated to what He said He would DO TO THEM, and the related things "after two days" [NOT 2 "24-hr days"!] and "IN THE THIRD DAY" [not 3 "24-hr days"!]
For example, see how Hosea 6:2 corresponds with the wording in Ezekiel 37:12-14,20-23 (and context) which refers to ISRAEL coming up out of the nations WHERE SCATTERED [NOT to a bodily / physical resurrection from being formerly bodily / physically dead!])
[6:2 "HE HATH TORN us"... SPEAKING OF ISRAEL (saying this IN THEIR "FUTURE"--not NOW!) "Come, let us RETURN..." (i.e. "a BLINDNESS / a HARDENING... UNTIL" and "what shall the RECEVING of them be BUT LIFE FROM THE DEAD"<--LIKENING THIS UNTO a resurrection)]
(you are injecting something completely unrelated to what He said He would DO TO THEM, and the related things "after two days" [NOT 2 "24-hr days"!] and "IN THE THIRD DAY" [not 3 "24-hr days"!]
For example, see how Hosea 6:2 corresponds with the wording in Ezekiel 37:12-14,20-23 (and context) which refers to ISRAEL coming up out of the nations WHERE SCATTERED [NOT to a bodily / physical resurrection from being formerly bodily / physically dead!])
[6:2 "HE HATH TORN us"... SPEAKING OF ISRAEL (saying this IN THEIR "FUTURE"--not NOW!) "Come, let us RETURN..." (i.e. "a BLINDNESS / a HARDENING... UNTIL" and "what shall the RECEVING of them be BUT LIFE FROM THE DEAD"<--LIKENING THIS UNTO a resurrection)]
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