The Falling Away - pre-trib rapture or ???

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FreeGrace2 said:
This should be fun.


I suggest that you do.


Can YOU?


Why can't you just answer my question about what "coming" and "gathered" refers to? Why this distraction? Smokescreen?


So, you can't answer what "coming' and "gathering" means.


This is pathetic. You can't explain what 2 words in 2 Thess 2:1 refer to, so you try to change the subject.

apokaluptó: to uncover, reveal
Original Word: ἀποκαλύπτω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: apokaluptó
Phonetic Spelling: (ap-ok-al-oop'-to)
Definition: to uncover, reveal
Usage: I uncover, bring to light, reveal.

OK, it means just what it says. No mystery here.

OK, you've had your smokescreen.

Now, are you able to explain what "coming" and "gathered" refer to in v.1?
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Show me the post.
Im not going back and searching.

But amazing you have no answer to something simple
 
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"""v.3 is clearly telling us that "that day", which is the Second Advent will NOT come until the Trib occurs, which is when the "man of sin" is revealed.

What do you think v..1 is referring to by "coming of our Lord" and "our being gathered to Him"?"""

Here let me help you.

Think about word meaning.
Think " every word has meaning"
Think " definition"

Now look up " revealed"

See if it means something other than "revealed."

Once you look it up, embrace it, and acquire that UNDERSTANDING we can proceed.

That would be refreshing as i have never debated a postrib rapturist that knew what "revealed" means.

Get back to me when you acquire that knowledge
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Yes
Acquire that knowledge so we can discuss it.

It will amaze you
 
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DavidTree said:
I have told you these things so that in Me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation. But take courage; I have overcome the world!”

They preached the gospel to that city and made many disciples. Then they returned to Lystra, Iconium, and Antioch, 22strengthening the souls of the disciples and encouraging them to continue in the faith. “We must endure many tribulation to enter the kingdom of God,” they said.

I, John, both your brother and companion in the tribulation and kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was on the island that is called Patmos for the word of God and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

yet he has no root in himself, but endures only for a while. For when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he stumbles.

And not only that, but we also glory in tribulations, knowing that tribulation produces perseverance;


And I said to him, “Sir, you know.” So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is fitting, because your faith grows exceedingly, and the love of every one of you all abounds toward each other, so that we ourselves boast of you among the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that you endure, which is manifest[ evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you also suffer;
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I agree we have tribulation.
Good verses

What are you trying to enlighten us on?
 
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Absolutely said:
Show me the post.
Im not going back and searching.

But amazing you have no answer to something simple
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More delusion. Of course I aswered your question. It was about what "revealed" means. And I showed you.

But you STILL have not even tried to explain what "coming" and "gathered" refers to in 2 Thess 2:1.

What are you afraid of? The verse is straight forward. Go ahead and give it a try.
 
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FreeGrace2 said:
More delusion. Of course I aswered your question. It was about what "revealed" means. And I showed you.

But you STILL have not even tried to explain what "coming" and "gathered" refers to in 2 Thess 2:1.

What are you afraid of? The verse is straight forward. Go ahead and give it a try.
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Me = show me the post

You = that is delusional.

Uh...you make a claim....I ask for clarification.

You go off on a irrational tyrade.

Uh huh
 
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2 Thess 2
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;


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I already showed you that harmonizes with pretrib rapture


What on earth do you think you are proving.?

I know, I know you have no clue as to what i believe.

You just think you do because you never saw or were able to comprehend what i already, on many occasions explained my position on REVEALED , gathered, coming, etc.

But since you can not go there, but instead take me BACK OVER what i already established in scripture we can see why you will not answer or address "REVEALED"

NOW...we can all see why you deflected
 
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Basically you have no standing.

If I tried to defend what you are espousing i would give up also.
 
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Regarding 2 Thessalonians 2:1-2 —

The purpose of Paul's second letter is stated. Paul reminded them of his first letter, about Christ's return and our reunion (gathering) with Him. Because of the possibility of misunderstanding from the first letter, he writes the following letter.

Paul warned them not to mix up what he was saying here with any other teaching, spirit, or even his first letter. This is due to a confusing section in the first letter where false teachers infiltrated and twisted Paul's words. Don't let anyone trouble you (confuse you) by telling you that the "day of Christ" is approaching. The "day of Christ (the Lord)" is the day when Jesus Christ returns to earth to gather His saints.
 
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SaltwaterGirl said:
Regarding 2 Thessalonians 2:1-2 —

The purpose of Paul's second letter is stated. Paul reminded them of his first letter, about Christ's return and our reunion (gathering) with Him. Because of the possibility of misunderstanding from the first letter, he writes the following letter.

Paul warned them not to mix up what he was saying here with any other teaching, spirit, or even his first letter. This is due to a confusing section in the first letter where false teachers infiltrated and twisted Paul's words. Don't let anyone trouble you (confuse you) by telling you that the "day of Christ" is approaching. The "day of Christ (the Lord)" is the day when Jesus Christ returns to earth to gather His saints.
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I am also pretrib rapture adherent.

Vs 3 is good also.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Gods word rules.

Pretrib solid bible
 
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Absolutely said:
I am also pretrib rapture adherent.

Vs 3 is good also.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Gods word rules.

Pretrib solid bible
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Uhhh. . . I’m postrib 2nd coming. Interesting that we can agree on some stuff.
 
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Me = show me the post
You = that is delusional.

Uh...you make a claim....I ask for clarification.

You go off on a irrational tyrade.
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This was my response to you:

FreeGrace2 said:
"More delusion. Of course I aswered your question. It was about what "revealed" means. And I showed you.

But you STILL have not even tried to explain what "coming" and "gathered" refers to in 2 Thess 2:1.

What are you afraid of? The verse is straight forward. Go ahead and give it a try."

So, what's delusional about this post? I pointed out that I did answer your "clarification" about what 'revealed' means.

Then I reminded you to explain what "coming" and "gathered" in 2 Thess 2:1 refers to.

But you won't do that.
 
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2 Thess 2
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
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I already showed you that harmonizes with pretrib rapture
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Until you provide an explanation of what "coming" and "gathered" in v.1 refer to, you CANNOT harmonize anything.

What on earth do you think you are proving.?
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Very simple. v.1 describes the Second Advent and rapture. v.3 tells us that neither can occur UNTIL the man of sin is revealed.

I know, I know you have no clue as to what i believe.
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How can I since you won't answer questions or explain what words mean in certain verses.

You just think you do because you never saw or were able to comprehend what i already, on many occasions explained my position on REVEALED , gathered, coming, etc.
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OK, this is nothing more than just another STALL technique. If you have an opinion about what the wores mean, why don't you just tell me?

But since you can not go there, but instead take me BACK OVER what i already established in scripture we can see why you will not answer or address "REVEALED"
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Wow. Stop LYING. I did address and show the meaning of "revealed".

And I "can not go there" because YOU won't answer my question or explain yourself.

All you do is claim that you already did.

NOW...we can all see why you deflected
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You have proven yourself to be the deflector, by not explaining what "coming" and "gathered" refers to in v.1.
 
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I am also pretrib rapture adherent.

Vs 3 is good also.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Gods word rules.

Pretrib solid bible
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Solid post trib. For those who actually comprehend the verses.
 
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