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"What do you think? If any man has a hundred sheep, and one of them has gone astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine on the mountains and go and search for the one that is straying? - Matthew 18:12
God will NOT force His sheep back, they know His voice, why would He?
They KNOW His voice and IF His sheep choose to stray, yes, He will go look for them and find them but will they come back to the flock is a question He knows but that is because Christ knows all, He still will jot force His hand on them to bring them back. The Helper will counsel, advocate lead, but our following Him back, like the prodigal son, is up to we sheep
God will NOT force His sheep back, they know His voice, why would He?
They KNOW His voice and IF His sheep choose to stray, yes, He will go look for them and find them but will they come back to the flock is a question He knows but that is because Christ knows all, He still will jot force His hand on them to bring them back. The Helper will counsel, advocate lead, but our following Him back, like the prodigal son, is up to we sheep
You missed the point. God does not force the sheep back, He went after him, and he knew his master, so he willingly came back. If you had ever been a sheppard you would know this!
The point of that passage is even when we walk away, God does not leave us, he comes after us to bring us back.
C
These are God's words. Where in it do you see Law, it simple states that the one who is righteous before God can lose life (will die). So perhaps your argument is not with me?
God Himself, the One we claim to be our Father, said, 'When a righteous person does turn from his righteousness and commit iniquity and I (note the 'I') place a stumblingblock before him (so that he can fall off the path I am leading on), he WILL die. All the righteousness he has done shall NOT be mentioned, but in his trepasses which he has trespassed, and in that sin which he sinned in, in those things he SHALL DIE'
God Himself, the One we claim to be our Father, said, 'When a righteous person does turn from his righteousness and commit iniquity and I (note the 'I') place a stumblingblock before him (so that he can fall off the path I am leading on), he WILL die. All the righteousness he has done shall NOT be mentioned, but in his trepasses which he has trespassed, and in that sin which he sinned in, in those things he SHALL DIE'
M
The Holy Spirit puts faith in action, mediation, as He leads, again, it's a personal relationship Christ seeks most from His sheep , one where they know His voice, and, He does know there's.
Since you clearly are one of them, safely in the fold, ever following Him so obediently, tell us how your relationship with The Good Shepherd came to be so intimate and developed while the rest of us languish outside the fold dumbly believing we love Him also and are loved by Him (fools and deceived as we are, having trusted in His Cross and Resurrection, (and having been comforted by the Comforter who it appears can not be trusted)?
Clearly we have not "followed" or "walked" in the Spirit as you have.
What's your secret?
Fasting, much prayer, good works, you love more, are smarter, study more, attend church more, pray more, lots of "action"? what kind of "action"?
How did you come to such a highly esteemed place in the Kingdom?
Is it by doubting every moment? Should we fear condemnation and hellfire every day in spite of the Cross? Would THIS be more pleasing to God?
We abide in Christ BECAUSE HE FIRST LOVED US and gave us an heart to know Him.
He gave the GIFT of the Spirit as a GUARANTEE, Comforter, Guide and He testifies of JESUS.
But according to you and a few others, God's Guarantee CAN NOT BE TRUSTED.
This is as much an evil report as those sent to spy out the Promised Land, who came back saying 'NO! NO! We can not enter! God didn't REALLY say.....'
We are to live our life following His Way, that WILL lead us to Truth and Life understanding to the fullest which ALL believers WILL want to seek unto, finally, being given, as they obey, His rest.
But it appears you believe in some extra secret information about "following" the church has never been given.
Please do a word study on LED OF/BY the Spirit: see who is the POWER and who is the captive.
Will He ever leave you or forsake you?
I don't really want your shifting opinions. I want to know what Jesus said.
So, no, to your thinking we abide in Jesus, we ABIDE in 'Him.'
Jesus now sits at the right hand of God.
Jesus now sits at the right hand of God.
(I know you REALLY need this to be about the Holy Spirit - this is a popular idea, because it always allows babes and wolves to insert subjectivity into what they claiming. But Jesus will not suffer His elect to be deceived).
So Jesus was saying to those Jews who had believed Him, "If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; - John 8:31
If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be given you. - John 15:7
Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. - 2 John 1:9
the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. - John 14:17
But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you. - John 14:26
"When the Counselor comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father, he will testify about me. - John 15:26
"But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come. - John 16:13
When we hear little about Jesus, and much about the Spirit (and how so many are so diligently "following" the Spirit Who is actually INSIDE true believers), somethings WRONG.
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No, mari, Jesus was not lying, for God cannot lie.
God will never leave us or forsake us, but we CAN leave Him. Why MUST we keep bringing this up over and over and over??? Be saturated with the Word which is power unto you of Him in you
No, I am sinful imperfection, but being made perfect through Him, through faith in the Blood, through Christ's dying on the cross, through the Holy Spirit's direct leading in my life, through faith.
I just stated that in another post of Reign's 'do we have salvation yet,'
mari.
The 'milk' of the word has been said to you, and, now, IF you will listen, you will receive 'meat.' Feel joyous, blessed, for such a time as this , to be able to receive an intimate understanding of Christ's will for your life, even the deeper things of God to be known to you, as you abide in Him, walk with Him, follow Him for your life. This said so that you might not just have life either but have it abundantly, Mari, here on earth, not just in Heaven, but on earth. God has great plans for you here, that will have infinite effect, eternally so, on your time in Heaven. That's forever a time, by the way, that you are 'there.' Here is but a blink of the eye, 'there' is forever, and, in case you haven't heard, that is going to be for a VERY long time . Forevevermore . Eternal. Time eternal.
God will never leave us or forsake us, but we CAN leave Him. Why MUST we keep bringing this up over and over and over??? Be saturated with the Word which is power unto you of Him in you
No, I am sinful imperfection, but being made perfect through Him, through faith in the Blood, through Christ's dying on the cross, through the Holy Spirit's direct leading in my life, through faith.
I just stated that in another post of Reign's 'do we have salvation yet,'
mari.
The 'milk' of the word has been said to you, and, now, IF you will listen, you will receive 'meat.' Feel joyous, blessed, for such a time as this , to be able to receive an intimate understanding of Christ's will for your life, even the deeper things of God to be known to you, as you abide in Him, walk with Him, follow Him for your life. This said so that you might not just have life either but have it abundantly, Mari, here on earth, not just in Heaven, but on earth. God has great plans for you here, that will have infinite effect, eternally so, on your time in Heaven. That's forever a time, by the way, that you are 'there.' Here is but a blink of the eye, 'there' is forever, and, in case you haven't heard, that is going to be for a VERY long time . Forevevermore . Eternal. Time eternal.
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Scripture is clear, the justification process is MORE than just believing in John 3:16, you can take on this false faith IF you want but I highly suggest reading the many verses that let us know that there is MORE to the story....The Holy Spirit is who Jesus is who is IN our hearts.
So, if you are believing in John 3:16 for your salvation then you are needing also to believe in the other 'Him' Who is Jesus, too--the Holy Spirit is 'Him.'
And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
We are justified by BOTH--the Holy Spirit and Jesus' blood on the cross, forgiving us of our sins ONCE and for ALL, even though 1 John 1:9, way past John 3:16, tells us that we are going to be asking for forgiveness for cleansings ALL through our life. Sin? Faithful. Sin? Faithful?
But, too, recognize and KNOW that IF we continue in WILLFUL sin then there is no longer a COVERING for our sins, that sacrifice of Christ is shamed, cheapened, and, this verse of Hebrews 10:26 CLEARLY speaks of one who WAS SAVED BUT AIN'T SAVED NO MORE !
What do the words 'remaineth not of,' or, 'no longer' mean to you? They should mean that someone was once in the right standing , righteous with God, in this particular context, but their willful DISOBEDIENCE to God, which is simply sinning willfully, NO LONGER has them right with God. Simple !!! What's so HARD to get ?
I pray the Lord teaches you this Truth, those who are soaked in OSAS lies type doctrine
God is 'faithful,' right. That means throughout our life of sinning, the Blood covers us as we ask for forgiveness of our sins, He will never leave us nor forsake us, as long as we stay IN Him leading our life. Quite easy to do, too, you just live in His grace, His great mercy, His Love. There is NO guilt and NO condemnation for those in Christ Jesus.
So, if you are believing in John 3:16 for your salvation then you are needing also to believe in the other 'Him' Who is Jesus, too--the Holy Spirit is 'Him.'
And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
We are justified by BOTH--the Holy Spirit and Jesus' blood on the cross, forgiving us of our sins ONCE and for ALL, even though 1 John 1:9, way past John 3:16, tells us that we are going to be asking for forgiveness for cleansings ALL through our life. Sin? Faithful. Sin? Faithful?
But, too, recognize and KNOW that IF we continue in WILLFUL sin then there is no longer a COVERING for our sins, that sacrifice of Christ is shamed, cheapened, and, this verse of Hebrews 10:26 CLEARLY speaks of one who WAS SAVED BUT AIN'T SAVED NO MORE !
What do the words 'remaineth not of,' or, 'no longer' mean to you? They should mean that someone was once in the right standing , righteous with God, in this particular context, but their willful DISOBEDIENCE to God, which is simply sinning willfully, NO LONGER has them right with God. Simple !!! What's so HARD to get ?
I pray the Lord teaches you this Truth, those who are soaked in OSAS lies type doctrine
God is 'faithful,' right. That means throughout our life of sinning, the Blood covers us as we ask for forgiveness of our sins, He will never leave us nor forsake us, as long as we stay IN Him leading our life. Quite easy to do, too, you just live in His grace, His great mercy, His Love. There is NO guilt and NO condemnation for those in Christ Jesus.
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Ok, so i am still wondering..trying to understand since you are making a whole ton of accusations that do not stand with what i said..
1)i never said you are saved by your works, i simply believe that if you are truly saved, you will have fruit/works..James 2:18,matthew 7:16
2)how is that legalism? I think perhaps you have been so 'burned' by what you consider and experienced was legalism that anything you feel may seemingly look remotely close to legalism is legalism, in other words, if it does not say 'grace and only grace' then it is legalism. Yet we can see many places in the bible to walk in this new life, and that our old ways are to be forsaken,to put on Jesus and leave no room for the flesh to fullfill the lusts thereof, romans 13:14
3) How is faith that actuall works fear driven? I am still seeking to understand how this is fear driven when i said already(you are not listening or have selective hearing/reading) that out of the overflow of the Love and what Christ has done we should wish to seek to serve him.
At the end of the day, you either walk with Christ or not..if that is fear mongering, then go label me a fear monger..i would rather be labeled that if it means i told someone the truth..Many grace only preachers i have heard did not tell me the truth that God is holy and that I cannot live as i did once if i am a born again new creation in Christ..if any man be in Christ..he is a new creature! New, not old..what part of that do christians or those who claim to be not understand!? this means all things are new 2 corinthians 5:17.
1)i never said you are saved by your works, i simply believe that if you are truly saved, you will have fruit/works..James 2:18,matthew 7:16
2)how is that legalism? I think perhaps you have been so 'burned' by what you consider and experienced was legalism that anything you feel may seemingly look remotely close to legalism is legalism, in other words, if it does not say 'grace and only grace' then it is legalism. Yet we can see many places in the bible to walk in this new life, and that our old ways are to be forsaken,to put on Jesus and leave no room for the flesh to fullfill the lusts thereof, romans 13:14
3) How is faith that actuall works fear driven? I am still seeking to understand how this is fear driven when i said already(you are not listening or have selective hearing/reading) that out of the overflow of the Love and what Christ has done we should wish to seek to serve him.
At the end of the day, you either walk with Christ or not..if that is fear mongering, then go label me a fear monger..i would rather be labeled that if it means i told someone the truth..Many grace only preachers i have heard did not tell me the truth that God is holy and that I cannot live as i did once if i am a born again new creation in Christ..if any man be in Christ..he is a new creature! New, not old..what part of that do christians or those who claim to be not understand!? this means all things are new 2 corinthians 5:17.
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No, mari, Jesus was not lying, for God cannot lie.
God will never leave us or forsake us, but we CAN leave Him. Why MUST we keep bringing this up over and over and over??? Be saturated with the Word which is power unto you of Him in you
No, I am sinful imperfection, but being made perfect through Him, through faith in the Blood, through Christ's dying on the cross, through the Holy Spirit's direct leading in my life, through faith.
I just stated that in another post of Reign's 'do we have salvation yet,'
mari.
God will never leave us or forsake us, but we CAN leave Him. Why MUST we keep bringing this up over and over and over??? Be saturated with the Word which is power unto you of Him in you
No, I am sinful imperfection, but being made perfect through Him, through faith in the Blood, through Christ's dying on the cross, through the Holy Spirit's direct leading in my life, through faith.
I just stated that in another post of Reign's 'do we have salvation yet,'
mari.
Do you have eternal life?
Not from you dear friend.
God is not the author of confusion.
It is you who ought to listen.
Are you an apostle or prophet?
Are you speaking for God here?
And today you have me having life in abundance, both eternal and now?
My how things change in a few days.
What plans would those be?
What if His plan for me is to suffer loss, and die a painful death?
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I will fight for my life to go to Heaven, which merely will require me to follow Him, who will lead me with grace constantly shown, great mercy, and, Love all along the way as I worship Him iin spirit and in Truth. But Paul says we must fight the fight of faith for our crown of life for victory in Jesus, our Savious forevermore, so, yes, I will fight, mari, until I've taken my last breath, but, yes, according to Scripture, those who have both Christ their Lord and the Holy Spirit inside are SAVED (justified). My hope is in Jesus, His dying on the cross, rising again, plus, my hope is in the Spirit leading me to all Truth
Milk--->Meat. Yes, be joyous, you are hearing the 'meat' now, Mari , the Lord leads
Am I? I am simply speaking the Word to you, if that makes me a prophet, so be it, you are getting a hard-core lesson on the power of the Spirit, who is much more than ,I think, you think He is. He is God. God is spirit. God is Jesus. God is God.
Yes, too, abundant life, now (your whole earth life, I am speaking of, mari, and 'later' for certain, life in Heaven, in fact, is beyond abundant, it is beyond plentiful, it is perfect
What plans would those be?
What if His plan for me is to suffer loss, and die a painful death?[/quote]
His plans for 11 of the 12 disciples was to die a martyr's death. So it could happen? But with the Spirit leading you to your rest, you will be just fine, milady
Milk--->Meat. Yes, be joyous, you are hearing the 'meat' now, Mari , the Lord leads
Am I? I am simply speaking the Word to you, if that makes me a prophet, so be it, you are getting a hard-core lesson on the power of the Spirit, who is much more than ,I think, you think He is. He is God. God is spirit. God is Jesus. God is God.
Yes, too, abundant life, now (your whole earth life, I am speaking of, mari, and 'later' for certain, life in Heaven, in fact, is beyond abundant, it is beyond plentiful, it is perfect
What plans would those be?
What if His plan for me is to suffer loss, and die a painful death?[/quote]
His plans for 11 of the 12 disciples was to die a martyr's death. So it could happen? But with the Spirit leading you to your rest, you will be just fine, milady
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Hebrews 6: 4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
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King James Version Ephesians 1:5 5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
It is possible for both OSAS and blaspheme of the Holy Ghost to be true. God already knows every beginning and end or lack thereof.
I aint taking any chances though on not having unlimited fruitfulness, cause that's one of the goals.
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King James Version Ephesians 1:5 5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
It is possible for both OSAS and blaspheme of the Holy Ghost to be true. God already knows every beginning and end or lack thereof.
I aint taking any chances though on not having unlimited fruitfulness, cause that's one of the goals.
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I have never heard this approach to OSAS/eternal security position before. I, too, reject OSAS but most people do not recognize that this a a modern doctrine. It is not the same as the perseverance of the saints.
One pet theology that re-enforces the lack of urgency stems from good intentions. But while holding onto some truths found in the New Testament, it fails to hold onto other essentials. it distorts an historic doctrine--the perseverance of the saints.
Its good intention lies in giving assurance to those who struggle with their sense of being saved. Today, many seasoned Christians will tell those who make a profession of faith (whether by a prayer or by going forward at a church or crusade) that they have eternal security. A popular slogan rings out: “Once saved, always saved.”
And other Christians will assure those who have been baptized and confirmed that they are heaven bound no matter what may follow. Though many of these converts might never live by faith, this assurance will again be affirmed at their funerals.
But a new idea enters here. By leaving out New Testament essentials, these teachings depart from the historic Christian faith. This new idea leaves behind the holy conjunction; it fails to hold essentials together. Faith and obedience are sundered; forgiveness and repentance divided.
While some differences arise among great saints of the past, like Martin Luther, John Calvin, and John Wesley, they all agreed that we are saved by faith alone through God’s unmerited grace. On this point, Wesley said of Calvin, “I do not differ from him an hair’s breadth.”4
So, too, the seasoned Christians mentioned above affirm this. But where is the difference?
Martin Luther observed that “the world and the masses are and always will be unchristian, although they are all baptized and nominally Christians. Christians, however, are few and far between . . .”5
Luther pointed to “the divine promise which says: ‘He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved’ [Mark 16:16].”6 (Note the holy conjunction.) But he also warned, “Unless faith is present or comes to life in baptism, the ceremony is of no avail; indeed it is a stumbling-block not only at the moment we receive baptism but for all our life thereafter.”7
John Calvin affirmed, “Only if we walk in the beauty of God’s law do we become sure of our adoption as children of the Father.”8 (What a contrast that is with the assurances given by those who march under another banner.)
Furthermore, he wrote:
The apostle denies that anyone actually knows Christ who has not learned to put off the old man, corrupt with deceitful lusts, and to put on Christ.
External knowledge of Christ is found to be only a false and dangerous make-believe, however eloquently and freely lip servants may talk about the gospel.
The gospel is not a doctrine of the tongue, but of life.9
The key point here is succinctly summed up by J. I. Packer: “Scripture holds out no hope of salvation for any who, whatever their profession of faith, do not seek to turn from sin to righteousness (1 Cor. 6:9-11; Rev. 21:8).”10
One pet theology that re-enforces the lack of urgency stems from good intentions. But while holding onto some truths found in the New Testament, it fails to hold onto other essentials. it distorts an historic doctrine--the perseverance of the saints.
Its good intention lies in giving assurance to those who struggle with their sense of being saved. Today, many seasoned Christians will tell those who make a profession of faith (whether by a prayer or by going forward at a church or crusade) that they have eternal security. A popular slogan rings out: “Once saved, always saved.”
And other Christians will assure those who have been baptized and confirmed that they are heaven bound no matter what may follow. Though many of these converts might never live by faith, this assurance will again be affirmed at their funerals.
But a new idea enters here. By leaving out New Testament essentials, these teachings depart from the historic Christian faith. This new idea leaves behind the holy conjunction; it fails to hold essentials together. Faith and obedience are sundered; forgiveness and repentance divided.
While some differences arise among great saints of the past, like Martin Luther, John Calvin, and John Wesley, they all agreed that we are saved by faith alone through God’s unmerited grace. On this point, Wesley said of Calvin, “I do not differ from him an hair’s breadth.”4
So, too, the seasoned Christians mentioned above affirm this. But where is the difference?
Martin Luther observed that “the world and the masses are and always will be unchristian, although they are all baptized and nominally Christians. Christians, however, are few and far between . . .”5
Luther pointed to “the divine promise which says: ‘He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved’ [Mark 16:16].”6 (Note the holy conjunction.) But he also warned, “Unless faith is present or comes to life in baptism, the ceremony is of no avail; indeed it is a stumbling-block not only at the moment we receive baptism but for all our life thereafter.”7
John Calvin affirmed, “Only if we walk in the beauty of God’s law do we become sure of our adoption as children of the Father.”8 (What a contrast that is with the assurances given by those who march under another banner.)
Furthermore, he wrote:
The apostle denies that anyone actually knows Christ who has not learned to put off the old man, corrupt with deceitful lusts, and to put on Christ.
External knowledge of Christ is found to be only a false and dangerous make-believe, however eloquently and freely lip servants may talk about the gospel.
The gospel is not a doctrine of the tongue, but of life.9
The key point here is succinctly summed up by J. I. Packer: “Scripture holds out no hope of salvation for any who, whatever their profession of faith, do not seek to turn from sin to righteousness (1 Cor. 6:9-11; Rev. 21:8).”10
Once saved, always saved is true.
Because none can take His own out of His hand.
The problem comes with those who claim they are saved when they never were.
As all truth, it can be twisted to mean something false.
Ever wonder why snakes have a forked tongue?
The same reason they no longer have legs, punishment for letting the original liar using them.
Because none can take His own out of His hand.
The problem comes with those who claim they are saved when they never were.
As all truth, it can be twisted to mean something false.
Ever wonder why snakes have a forked tongue?
The same reason they no longer have legs, punishment for letting the original liar using them.
G
No, it's not true, for the ones that 'never belonged in the first place' of OSAS bread and butter verse 1 John 2:19 were 'antichrists' so they were never Christian in the first place. Their scheme was KNOWN instantly, whereas a regular believer who accepted Christ, left Him cuz never a true believer in first place is NOT what this verse is saying.
Another misunderstood other verse of OSAS bread and butterdom speaks of sheep, and one straysz of the 99. The Shepherd goes out looking for the Sheep but, like cfultz said, the strayed sheep could fall in a gully, die, or, could become entangled in a barbed wire fence and rips itself trying to extricate itself, and, of course, the sheep could get gulped by a wolf.
Don't be naive. That sheep could also hear the Shepherd's voice but decide not to return . Why not return? I don't know! Ask Satan . He is REAL, and, he will TAKE the sheep if they stray too. The sheep could choose to stay away from shepherd too , because thinks grass is greener in its newfound territory, 'course this is an example of our 'flesh' helping us make a falling away, departing decision from the shepherd (master).
But, hey, if it makes you feel better to be ignorant of the Truth, and, of the fact that we sheep can know His voice and STILL stray, like that one of 99 sheep did, then go for it. But a question to you too: Does Scripture say that sheep left the Master's hand or strayed from His care? Indeed, that sheep LEFT the master on his/her OWN freewill choice.
Another misunderstood other verse of OSAS bread and butterdom speaks of sheep, and one straysz of the 99. The Shepherd goes out looking for the Sheep but, like cfultz said, the strayed sheep could fall in a gully, die, or, could become entangled in a barbed wire fence and rips itself trying to extricate itself, and, of course, the sheep could get gulped by a wolf.
Don't be naive. That sheep could also hear the Shepherd's voice but decide not to return . Why not return? I don't know! Ask Satan . He is REAL, and, he will TAKE the sheep if they stray too. The sheep could choose to stay away from shepherd too , because thinks grass is greener in its newfound territory, 'course this is an example of our 'flesh' helping us make a falling away, departing decision from the shepherd (master).
But, hey, if it makes you feel better to be ignorant of the Truth, and, of the fact that we sheep can know His voice and STILL stray, like that one of 99 sheep did, then go for it. But a question to you too: Does Scripture say that sheep left the Master's hand or strayed from His care? Indeed, that sheep LEFT the master on his/her OWN freewill choice.
I'm not the one who is ignorant.
You don't put your argument very well.
You rely on the supposed fact that you control yourself.
You don't realize you are nothing more than a servant, ((as we all are)
You either serve God or mammon, and in that sense you are a slave.
You put way too much importance on yourself.
B.T.W. - sheep don't decide to leave.... those are goats, sheep only get lost.
And they heed their shepherds call, infact when they realize they are lost they start bleeting hysterically for him to come save them.
You don't put your argument very well.
You rely on the supposed fact that you control yourself.
You don't realize you are nothing more than a servant, ((as we all are)
You either serve God or mammon, and in that sense you are a slave.
You put way too much importance on yourself.
B.T.W. - sheep don't decide to leave.... those are goats, sheep only get lost.
And they heed their shepherds call, infact when they realize they are lost they start bleeting hysterically for him to come save them.
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lol. Did He say he stopped us from leaving him?
Did he stop the prodigal son? No. Did the prodigal stop being the son even when he left? No
Did he stop the sheep from leaving? no. Did the sheep willingly come back when he went after them? yes.
Why did you TWIST what was being discussed. When we leave, that is when the Shepard comes to get us is it not. Which is what you asked.
So your going to use the REASON we left to refute my thought on the REASON we come back? That is sort of contradictory is it not?
Come on now. try again, and stop twisting things.
Did he stop the prodigal son? No. Did the prodigal stop being the son even when he left? No
Did he stop the sheep from leaving? no. Did the sheep willingly come back when he went after them? yes.
Why did you TWIST what was being discussed. When we leave, that is when the Shepard comes to get us is it not. Which is what you asked.
So your going to use the REASON we left to refute my thought on the REASON we come back? That is sort of contradictory is it not?
Come on now. try again, and stop twisting things.