The False Teaching (& Truth) of what happens at the Rapture.
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Surely you jest......
Revelation 19:11.....Jesus on a white horse.
Revelation 19:14.....armies (plural) on white horses.
Furthermore, the "gathering" of Matthew 24 occur after this happens (because Jesus is first going to exhibit his Glory to them in victory).......not before.
And the Church per se is not to be found anywhere between Revelation chapter 6 through 18. The Church has been raptured by Revelation 4:1.....at least seven years beforehand.
The Church/Bride is enjoying a seven day aka seven year honeymoon at the Father's house while God's 70th week wrath rages upon the earth. Neither the Church nor Jesus is seen in Revelation chapter 6 through 18.
You obviously don't understand the Jewish wedding ritual as it pertains to the Bridegroom Jesus His Bride the Church and end-time eschatology.
Revelation 19:11.....Jesus on a white horse.
Revelation 19:14.....armies (plural) on white horses.
Furthermore, the "gathering" of Matthew 24 occur after this happens (because Jesus is first going to exhibit his Glory to them in victory).......not before.
And the Church per se is not to be found anywhere between Revelation chapter 6 through 18. The Church has been raptured by Revelation 4:1.....at least seven years beforehand.
The Church/Bride is enjoying a seven day aka seven year honeymoon at the Father's house while God's 70th week wrath rages upon the earth. Neither the Church nor Jesus is seen in Revelation chapter 6 through 18.
You obviously don't understand the Jewish wedding ritual as it pertains to the Bridegroom Jesus His Bride the Church and end-time eschatology.
He has all that all jumbled up.
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You can ask a billion question, but we know the Words of Christ!
Everything we see in Thess and Revelation has to align with the Words of Christ!
There is no amount of Deception, Scripture twisting you can do to convince me otherwise.
When Christ Returns for His Second Coming, the Saints GATHERED, are they Dead or Alive?
Everything we see in Thess and Revelation has to align with the Words of Christ!
There is no amount of Deception, Scripture twisting you can do to convince me otherwise.
When Christ Returns for His Second Coming, the Saints GATHERED, are they Dead or Alive?
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Atmospheric clouds with water vapor have nothing to do with Bible prophecy. The term "clouds" is used as a metaphor for the vast number of saints and angels clothed in white and surrounding Christ at His Second Coming. From earth they give the appearance of clouds, but they come from God's Heaven (the third heaven) not the atmospheric first heaven.
It's nice and sunny today, go outside and look up to the clouds. Can you see the next planet or the Milky Way? Can you see Space? Can you see the 3rd Heaven?
We can deduct what Christ meant when He said, the people of Earth will look up and see Him.
That is in our own CLOUDS and nowhere else!
We can deduct what Christ meant when He said, the people of Earth will look up and see Him.
That is in our own CLOUDS and nowhere else!
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109. aér ►
Strong's Concordance
aér: air
Original Word: ἀήρ, ἀέρος, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: aér
Phonetic Spelling: (ah-ayr')
Definition: air
Usage: air, the lower air we breathe.
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from aémi (to breathe, blow)
Definition
air
NASB Translation
air (7).
Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 109: ἀήρ
ἀήρ, ἀέρος, ὁ (ἄημι, ἄω (cf. ἄνεμος, at the beginning)), the air (particularly the lower and denser, as distinguished from the higher and rarer ὁ αἰθήρ, cf. Homer, Iliad 14, 288), the atmospheric region: Acts 22:23; 1 Thessalonians 4:17; Revelation 9:2; Revelation 16:17; ὁ ἄρχων τῆς ἐξουσίας τοῦ ἀέρος in Ephesians 2:2 signifies 'the ruler of the powers (spirits, see ἐξουσία 4 c. ββ.) in the air,' i. e. the devil, the prince of the demons that according to Jewish opinion fill the realm of air (cf. Meyer at the passage; (B. D. American edition under the word ; Stuart in Bib. Sacr. for 1843, p. 139f)). Sometimes indeed, ἀήρ denotes a hazy, obscure atmosphere (Homer, Iliad 17, 644; 3, 381; 5, 356, etc.; Polybius 18, 3, 7), but is nowhere quite equiv, to σκότος — the sense which many injudiciously assign it in Ephesians, the passage cited ἀέρα δέρειν, (cf.verberat ictibus auras, Vergil Aen. 5, 377, of pugilists who miss their aim) i. e. to contend in vain, 1 Corinthians 9:26; εἰς ἀέρα λαλεῖν (verba ventis profundere, Lucr. 4, 929 (932)) 'to speak into the air' i. e. without effect, used of those who speak what is not understood by the hearers, 1 Corinthians 14:9.
THE WHOLE PREMISE OF PRE TRIB IS IT IS SECRET COMING IN WHICH NO ONE WILL SEE
YET EVERYONE WILL JUST DISAPPEAR (for some of the believers, for others it isn't). Just as some believe it is 'just the gentile church' others just parts of the church, others just the really good ones. Some are going for a wedding. Some are going for a wedding feast. Some are the bride. Some are the body. Some PROUDLY BOAST of being THE APOSTASY. Some say it isn't even a gathering. Some say the Lords Day began thousands of years ago and Satan has been bound. Some say Christ is ruling here on earth right now. Some say read it as to who it was written in the day it was written.
ALL OF US HAVE ONE TRUTH. IT IS WRITTEN AND THE HOLY SPIRIT LEADS TO THAT TRUTH.
IF IT IS, HATH GOD SAID? Then THAT ISN:T what is written.
1Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
HE WILL BE HERE,
IN THE AIR
FOR ALL THE WORLD TO SEE.
IT IS THE DAY OF VENGEANCE.
HE IS COME TO SET UP THE KINGDOM THAT WAS REJECTED THE FIRST TIME HE CAME TO EARTH
TO SIT ON THE THRONE OF DAVID
ON EARTH.
FOR A THOUSAND YEARS
WHILE SATAN IS BOUND
THE CLOUDS
ARE THE ARMIES THAT HAVE RETURNED WITH CHRIST, OUR BRETHREN, the angels, WHO HAVE RETURNED WITH CHRIST TO RULE AND REIGN on the earth FOR THE LORDS DAY, WHICH IS AS A THOUSAND YEARS.
Hebrews 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
That is how Paul thinks.
Strong's Concordance
aér: air
Original Word: ἀήρ, ἀέρος, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: aér
Phonetic Spelling: (ah-ayr')
Definition: air
Usage: air, the lower air we breathe.
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from aémi (to breathe, blow)
Definition
air
NASB Translation
air (7).
Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 109: ἀήρ
ἀήρ, ἀέρος, ὁ (ἄημι, ἄω (cf. ἄνεμος, at the beginning)), the air (particularly the lower and denser, as distinguished from the higher and rarer ὁ αἰθήρ, cf. Homer, Iliad 14, 288), the atmospheric region: Acts 22:23; 1 Thessalonians 4:17; Revelation 9:2; Revelation 16:17; ὁ ἄρχων τῆς ἐξουσίας τοῦ ἀέρος in Ephesians 2:2 signifies 'the ruler of the powers (spirits, see ἐξουσία 4 c. ββ.) in the air,' i. e. the devil, the prince of the demons that according to Jewish opinion fill the realm of air (cf. Meyer at the passage; (B. D. American edition under the word ; Stuart in Bib. Sacr. for 1843, p. 139f)). Sometimes indeed, ἀήρ denotes a hazy, obscure atmosphere (Homer, Iliad 17, 644; 3, 381; 5, 356, etc.; Polybius 18, 3, 7), but is nowhere quite equiv, to σκότος — the sense which many injudiciously assign it in Ephesians, the passage cited ἀέρα δέρειν, (cf.verberat ictibus auras, Vergil Aen. 5, 377, of pugilists who miss their aim) i. e. to contend in vain, 1 Corinthians 9:26; εἰς ἀέρα λαλεῖν (verba ventis profundere, Lucr. 4, 929 (932)) 'to speak into the air' i. e. without effect, used of those who speak what is not understood by the hearers, 1 Corinthians 14:9.
THE WHOLE PREMISE OF PRE TRIB IS IT IS SECRET COMING IN WHICH NO ONE WILL SEE
YET EVERYONE WILL JUST DISAPPEAR (for some of the believers, for others it isn't). Just as some believe it is 'just the gentile church' others just parts of the church, others just the really good ones. Some are going for a wedding. Some are going for a wedding feast. Some are the bride. Some are the body. Some PROUDLY BOAST of being THE APOSTASY. Some say it isn't even a gathering. Some say the Lords Day began thousands of years ago and Satan has been bound. Some say Christ is ruling here on earth right now. Some say read it as to who it was written in the day it was written.
ALL OF US HAVE ONE TRUTH. IT IS WRITTEN AND THE HOLY SPIRIT LEADS TO THAT TRUTH.
IF IT IS, HATH GOD SAID? Then THAT ISN:T what is written.
1Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
HE WILL BE HERE,
IN THE AIR
FOR ALL THE WORLD TO SEE.
IT IS THE DAY OF VENGEANCE.
HE IS COME TO SET UP THE KINGDOM THAT WAS REJECTED THE FIRST TIME HE CAME TO EARTH
TO SIT ON THE THRONE OF DAVID
ON EARTH.
FOR A THOUSAND YEARS
WHILE SATAN IS BOUND
THE CLOUDS
ARE THE ARMIES THAT HAVE RETURNED WITH CHRIST, OUR BRETHREN, the angels, WHO HAVE RETURNED WITH CHRIST TO RULE AND REIGN on the earth FOR THE LORDS DAY, WHICH IS AS A THOUSAND YEARS.
Hebrews 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
That is how Paul thinks.
1 We implore
2065 make an earnest request by someone from a preferred position
'Such requesting receives special consideration because of the special relationship involved'
now you brothers
by
5228 on behalf of, for the sake of, concerning
the coming
3952 a presence, a coming, an arrival, advent,
arrive to enter into a situation especially the arrival of the owner who alone can deal with a situation, the personal presence, the future visible return from heaven of Jesus
of the Lord of us Jesus Christ and our
gathering together
1997 episynagoge - a specific grouping together that fulfills the specific purpose of the gathering together
FROM EPISUNAGO - a complete collection - BUT WHAT ABOUT THE TWO WITNESSES AND THOSE WITH THE 10 DAY TRIAL
unto Him
2 for not quickly to be shaken you in mind nor to be troubled neither by spirit nor by word nor by letter as if by us as that IS PRESENT the day of the Lord
3 No one you should deceive in not one way because if NOT
shall have come
2064 to come, go
to come into being, arise, come forth, show itself, find place or influence: to come from one place into another and used both of persons arriving and of those returning, appear, enter,
the apostasy
646 defection, revolt
(FROM APHISTEMI 'LEAVE, DEPART' which is derived from 575 apo 'away from' and 2476 histemi, 'stand')
properly departure (IMPLYING DESERTION) literally 'a leaving from a previous standing' 'NOT A LEAVING EARTH'*
a falling away from the true religion
defection from the true religion
Feminine of the same as apostasion defection from truth, forsake
647 apostasion
a forsaking, specifically DIVORCE
repudiation, divorce (bill of divorce)
first and
shall have been revealed (BY WHOM IS HE REVEALED AND WHEN DOES THIS REVEALING TAKE PLACE? SEE VERSE 8)
601 apokalupto to uncover, reveal
passages of persons, previously concealed, making their appearance in public: of Christ, who will return from heaven where he is now hidden (Colossians 3:3) to the earth, Luke 17:30; of Anti-christ, 2 Thessalonians 2:3, 6, 8.
the man of lawlessness the son of destruction
4 the opposing and exalting himself above every so-called god or object of worship so as for him in the temple of God to sit down setting forth he himself that is God
5 Not do you remember that YET being with you, these things I was saying to you?
6 And now that which is restraining you know
(Praise Ye the LORD, NOW (because we were just told), we know what is holding back the RETURN OF CHRIST AND OUR GATHERING TO HIM. It is the APOSTASY and the workings of SATAN, the whole world being deceived, that IS WHAT IS HOLDING BACK Christs return and our gathering to Him)
for to be revealed him in his time
(SATAN will be revealed in his time and only after Satans time is it POSSIBLE for the Lord to return**. THE Lord can not come before Satan is revealed and Satan will not be REVEALED until AFTER he has sat proclaiming to be God)
7 The for mystery already is working of lawlessness only the
restraining
2722. katechó
I hold fast, bind, arrest, I take possession of, lay hold of...
at present until out of
midst
γίνομαι ἐκ μέσου, to be taken out of the way, to disappear, 2 Thessalonians 2:7; with the genitive of pers, ἐκ μέσου τινων, from the society or company of, out from among:
he might be
8 And then will be revealed the lawless whom the Lord Jesus will slay with the breath of the mouth of Him and will annul by the appearing of the coming of Him
(praise ye the Lord)
9 whose is coming according to working of Satan in every power and in signs and in wonders of falsehood
10 and in every
deceit
539 deception, deceitfulness, delusion, false impression, deceit motivated by guile and treachery
of wickedness unto those perishing
in return for
473 over against, opposite, instead of.
WHAT SUBSTITUTES (SERVES AS AN EQUIVALENT)
which the love of the truth not they received in order for to be saved them
11 And because of this will send to them God a working
1753 energeia
typically refers to God's energy which transitions the believer from point to point in His plan (accomplishing His definition of progress).
[1753 (enérgeia) occurs 8 times – always of God's energy, except at 2 Thes 2:9.]
THE POWER WITH WHICH ERROR WORKS
of delusion for to believe them what is false
12 in order that should be judged all those not having believed the truth but having delighted in unrighteousness
*IN THE END, THE ONES WHO CLAIM PRE TRIB IS TRUTH ARE PROVEN WRONG IN ANOTHER WAY IS
BECAUSE THE ONE THEY SAY IS COMING TO TAKE THEM OUT OF THE WORLD PRAYED THIS PRAYER
John 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.
14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
15 I pray NOT that THOU SHOULDEST TAKE THEM OUT OF THE WORLD but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
KEEP THEM FROM EVIL WHILE KEEPING THEM IN THE WORLD
OR KEEP THEM FROM THE HOUR OF TEMPTATION
OR KEEPING GODS WRATH FROM FALLING UPON THEM
**
John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
29 And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.
30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in Me.
31 But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence.
John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
8 And when He is come, He will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more
11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
IS THIS WHAT CAUSES THE WAR IN HEAVEN? IS THIS WHEN THE WAR BEGINS? IS THIS WHY THERE IS NO LONGER ANY PLACE FOUND FOR HIM THERE?
2065 make an earnest request by someone from a preferred position
'Such requesting receives special consideration because of the special relationship involved'
now you brothers
by
5228 on behalf of, for the sake of, concerning
the coming
3952 a presence, a coming, an arrival, advent,
arrive to enter into a situation especially the arrival of the owner who alone can deal with a situation, the personal presence, the future visible return from heaven of Jesus
of the Lord of us Jesus Christ and our
gathering together
1997 episynagoge - a specific grouping together that fulfills the specific purpose of the gathering together
FROM EPISUNAGO - a complete collection - BUT WHAT ABOUT THE TWO WITNESSES AND THOSE WITH THE 10 DAY TRIAL
unto Him
2 for not quickly to be shaken you in mind nor to be troubled neither by spirit nor by word nor by letter as if by us as that IS PRESENT the day of the Lord
3 No one you should deceive in not one way because if NOT
shall have come
2064 to come, go
to come into being, arise, come forth, show itself, find place or influence: to come from one place into another and used both of persons arriving and of those returning, appear, enter,
the apostasy
646 defection, revolt
(FROM APHISTEMI 'LEAVE, DEPART' which is derived from 575 apo 'away from' and 2476 histemi, 'stand')
properly departure (IMPLYING DESERTION) literally 'a leaving from a previous standing' 'NOT A LEAVING EARTH'*
a falling away from the true religion
defection from the true religion
Feminine of the same as apostasion defection from truth, forsake
647 apostasion
a forsaking, specifically DIVORCE
repudiation, divorce (bill of divorce)
first and
shall have been revealed (BY WHOM IS HE REVEALED AND WHEN DOES THIS REVEALING TAKE PLACE? SEE VERSE 8)
601 apokalupto to uncover, reveal
passages of persons, previously concealed, making their appearance in public: of Christ, who will return from heaven where he is now hidden (Colossians 3:3) to the earth, Luke 17:30; of Anti-christ, 2 Thessalonians 2:3, 6, 8.
the man of lawlessness the son of destruction
4 the opposing and exalting himself above every so-called god or object of worship so as for him in the temple of God to sit down setting forth he himself that is God
5 Not do you remember that YET being with you, these things I was saying to you?
6 And now that which is restraining you know
(Praise Ye the LORD, NOW (because we were just told), we know what is holding back the RETURN OF CHRIST AND OUR GATHERING TO HIM. It is the APOSTASY and the workings of SATAN, the whole world being deceived, that IS WHAT IS HOLDING BACK Christs return and our gathering to Him)
for to be revealed him in his time
(SATAN will be revealed in his time and only after Satans time is it POSSIBLE for the Lord to return**. THE Lord can not come before Satan is revealed and Satan will not be REVEALED until AFTER he has sat proclaiming to be God)
7 The for mystery already is working of lawlessness only the
restraining
2722. katechó
I hold fast, bind, arrest, I take possession of, lay hold of...
at present until out of
midst
γίνομαι ἐκ μέσου, to be taken out of the way, to disappear, 2 Thessalonians 2:7; with the genitive of pers, ἐκ μέσου τινων, from the society or company of, out from among:
he might be
8 And then will be revealed the lawless whom the Lord Jesus will slay with the breath of the mouth of Him and will annul by the appearing of the coming of Him
(praise ye the Lord)
9 whose is coming according to working of Satan in every power and in signs and in wonders of falsehood
10 and in every
deceit
539 deception, deceitfulness, delusion, false impression, deceit motivated by guile and treachery
of wickedness unto those perishing
in return for
473 over against, opposite, instead of.
WHAT SUBSTITUTES (SERVES AS AN EQUIVALENT)
which the love of the truth not they received in order for to be saved them
11 And because of this will send to them God a working
1753 energeia
typically refers to God's energy which transitions the believer from point to point in His plan (accomplishing His definition of progress).
[1753 (enérgeia) occurs 8 times – always of God's energy, except at 2 Thes 2:9.]
THE POWER WITH WHICH ERROR WORKS
of delusion for to believe them what is false
12 in order that should be judged all those not having believed the truth but having delighted in unrighteousness
*IN THE END, THE ONES WHO CLAIM PRE TRIB IS TRUTH ARE PROVEN WRONG IN ANOTHER WAY IS
BECAUSE THE ONE THEY SAY IS COMING TO TAKE THEM OUT OF THE WORLD PRAYED THIS PRAYER
John 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.
14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
15 I pray NOT that THOU SHOULDEST TAKE THEM OUT OF THE WORLD but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
KEEP THEM FROM EVIL WHILE KEEPING THEM IN THE WORLD
OR KEEP THEM FROM THE HOUR OF TEMPTATION
OR KEEPING GODS WRATH FROM FALLING UPON THEM
**
John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
29 And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.
30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in Me.
31 But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence.
John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
8 And when He is come, He will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more
11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
IS THIS WHAT CAUSES THE WAR IN HEAVEN? IS THIS WHEN THE WAR BEGINS? IS THIS WHY THERE IS NO LONGER ANY PLACE FOUND FOR HIM THERE?
You seem to be rather confused about all of this. When the Lord Jesus Christ descends from God's Heaven (the third heaven) with all His saints and angels (Revelation 19), He comes down from the third heaven, through the second heaven (space), and also through the first heaven (the atmospheric heaven). While He is coming down through the first Heaven, His coming will be visible to all the inhabitants of the world. And the saints and angels surrounding Him will appear as "clouds".
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. (Rev 1:7)
Why will all the inhabitants of the earth wail? The answer is in Jude 1:14,15: And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, to execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
We are provided more details in 2 Thessalonians 1: 7-10: And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.
Was this prophesied in the Old Testament? Yes. And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee. (Zech 14:5)
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. (Rev 1:7)
Why will all the inhabitants of the earth wail? The answer is in Jude 1:14,15: And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, to execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
We are provided more details in 2 Thessalonians 1: 7-10: And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.
Was this prophesied in the Old Testament? Yes. And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee. (Zech 14:5)
At the rapture no unsaved, unbelieving eye will discern the phenomenon occurring. Just as Jesus SELECTIVELY, PURPOSEFULLY appeared/manifested himself to no one other than believers after His resurrection, so it shall be at the rapture.
You must understand that the rapture event is a Church specific Church centric phenomenon only.
John 16:16
"A little while and you will not see Me; and again a little while, and you will see Me, because I go to the Father."
To whom is Jesus speaking? Who is His audience? To whom did he first of all appear? The world? Every eye? Unbelievers and Saints alike? NO. Only to those who know Him and behold Him with loving eyes.
And you must understand the 70th week of Daniel/7 year tribulation comes upon the earth dwellers, the main purpose of which is to glorify Himself in his act of saving/redeeming Israel, as prophecy demands.
Having said this, there is no doubt whatsoever that the MYSTERY Church age occupies the gap between the 69th and 70th week of Daniel.
You must understand that the rapture event is a Church specific Church centric phenomenon only.
John 16:16
"A little while and you will not see Me; and again a little while, and you will see Me, because I go to the Father."
To whom is Jesus speaking? Who is His audience? To whom did he first of all appear? The world? Every eye? Unbelievers and Saints alike? NO. Only to those who know Him and behold Him with loving eyes.
And you must understand the 70th week of Daniel/7 year tribulation comes upon the earth dwellers, the main purpose of which is to glorify Himself in his act of saving/redeeming Israel, as prophecy demands.
Having said this, there is no doubt whatsoever that the MYSTERY Church age occupies the gap between the 69th and 70th week of Daniel.
John 8:49 Jesus answered, I have not a devil; but I honour My Father, and ye do dishonour Me.
John 8:50 And I seek not Mine own glory: there is one that seeketh and judgeth
John 8:51 Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep My saying, he shall never see death.
John 8:52 Then said the Jews unto Him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, He shall never taste of death.
John 8:53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?
John 8:54 Jesus answered, If I honour Myself, My honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
John 8:55 Yet ye have not known Him; but I know Him: and if I should say, I know Him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know Him, and keep His saying.
John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day: and he saw it, and was glad.
John 8:57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
Matt 10:28 And not you should be afraid of those killing the body the however soul not being able to kill you should fear however rather the [One] being able both soul and body to destroy in hell
put to death, kill, slay.
From apo and kteino (to slay); to kill outright; figuratively, to destroy -- put to death, kill, slay.
destroy
622 apóllymi (from 575 /apó, "away from," which intensifies ollymi, "to destroy") – properly, fully destroy, cutting off entirely (note the force of the prefix, 575 /apó).
622 /apóllymi ("violently/completely perish") implies permanent (absolute) destruction, i.e. to cancel out (remove); "to die, with the implication of ruin and destruction" (L & N, 1, 23.106); cause to be lost (utterly perish) by experiencing a miserable end.
John 9:4 I must work the works of Him that sent Me, while it is day the night cometh, when no man can work.
John 8:50 And I seek not Mine own glory: there is one that seeketh and judgeth
John 8:51 Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep My saying, he shall never see death.
John 8:52 Then said the Jews unto Him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, He shall never taste of death.
John 8:53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?
John 8:54 Jesus answered, If I honour Myself, My honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
John 8:55 Yet ye have not known Him; but I know Him: and if I should say, I know Him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know Him, and keep His saying.
John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day: and he saw it, and was glad.
John 8:57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
Matt 10:28 And not you should be afraid of those killing the body the however soul not being able to kill you should fear however rather the [One] being able both soul and body to destroy in hell
put to death, kill, slay.
From apo and kteino (to slay); to kill outright; figuratively, to destroy -- put to death, kill, slay.
destroy
622 apóllymi (from 575 /apó, "away from," which intensifies ollymi, "to destroy") – properly, fully destroy, cutting off entirely (note the force of the prefix, 575 /apó).
622 /apóllymi ("violently/completely perish") implies permanent (absolute) destruction, i.e. to cancel out (remove); "to die, with the implication of ruin and destruction" (L & N, 1, 23.106); cause to be lost (utterly perish) by experiencing a miserable end.
John 9:4 I must work the works of Him that sent Me, while it is day the night cometh, when no man can work.
That's incorrect.
Dan_7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
Joe_2:2 A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.
Zep_1:15 That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness,
Mat_24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat_26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
Mar_13:26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
Mar_14:62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
1Th_4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Angels and resurrected saints don't look like clouds. Christ meets the raptured in the clouds of the Earth, in the air where the clouds are.
He doesn't bring rainfall clouds with him and no text ever says "rainfall clouds". Many prophecies speak of clouds and darkness. That's literal clouds not angels.
You should already know this:
Act_1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
He left in a cloud, he returns in a cloud.
Luk_21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
It's a fulfillment of prophecy
Act_1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
He doesn't bring rainfall clouds with him and no text ever says "rainfall clouds". Many prophecies speak of clouds and darkness. That's literal clouds not angels.
You should already know this:
Act_1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
He left in a cloud, he returns in a cloud.
Luk_21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
It's a fulfillment of prophecy
Act_1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
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