The False Teaching (& Truth) of what happens at the Rapture.

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Status
Not open for further replies.
Jul 23, 2018
12,199
2,775
113
You are admitting that there are at least two separate resurrections...if Jesus is the firstfruits and "all the rest" is the harvest...who makes up the gleanings? Why the term "firstfruits" if not being compared to a crop?
I love his answer
"don't nother me with that bible"

You nailed it sir.
 
Dec 29, 2021
1,317
314
83
stop going personal or put me on ignore
The only ones you can address with civility are others with your postrib workbook.

Why are you in here?
I am here witnessing those claiming to be full of Christ lying like you would hear in a bar. I take that back, there's more truth to the conversations in a bar than what comes from You!
 
Jul 23, 2018
12,199
2,775
113
Do you know what pretrib means? That is the second time you have said I have quoted pre trib verses that CAN'T BE PRE TRIB RAPTURE THEORY DOCTINE VERSES BECAUSE

THERE IS NO PRE TRIB RAPTURE. IF THERE WAS YOU WOULD NEVER SAY 'THANKS FOR THE PRE TRIB RAPTURE VERSES THAT CLEARLY ARE NOT.
Or you would honestly refute it
You have not.
 
Jul 23, 2018
12,199
2,775
113
I am here witnessing those claiming to be full of Christ lying like you would hear in a bar. I take that back, there's more truth to the conversations in a bar than what comes from You!
No you're not.
Stop acting like that.
They ban people galore for trolling.
Either defend your position or move on
 
Dec 29, 2021
1,317
314
83
Are you aware that Israel is practicing to attack Iran and create World War?

Pre-Trib Rapture theory puts us out of here before any such thing happens.

Why are you still here?
 

John146

Senior Member
Jan 13, 2016
17,090
3,681
113
The "firstfruits" is jesus Himself, who was the FIRST human to receive a glorified body. All the rest of the saved receive their glorified bodies "when He comes", as 1 Cor 15:23 says.
You don't buy into the crop theory? Christ is literally called the firstfruits. Study the OT and you will find typology everywhere. There is always the firstfruits, then the main harvest, then lastly the gleanings, thus the usage of Christ being the firstfruits.
 
Jul 23, 2018
12,199
2,775
113
Are you aware that Israel is practicing to attack Iran and create World War?

Pre-Trib Rapture theory puts us out of here before any such thing happens.

Why are you still here?
What are you talking about?

Keep looking earnestly for your white horse rider.

Exactly opposite of the kings instructions
 
Jul 23, 2018
12,199
2,775
113
You don't buy into the crop theory? Christ is literally called the firstfruits. Study the OT and you will find typology everywhere. There is always the firstfruits, then the main harvest, then lastly the gleanings, thus the usage of Christ being the firstfruits.
Huge mistake taking harvest off the table.
Good post sir
 
Jul 23, 2018
12,199
2,775
113
There is only one resurrection for the saved.

Acts 24:15 shows one for the saved and one for the unsaved.

Matt 22:30, Luke 14:14 and 1 Cor 15:23 all speak of the resurrection of the saved in the SINGULAR.

And 2 Thess 2:1 and 1 Cor 15:23 and Rev 20:5 all show that singular resurrection occurring at the end of the Trib "when He comes".
By taking "harvest" off the table.

Not good.
 
Dec 29, 2021
1,317
314
83
The Harvest is Matthew 24 during the Second Coming!

It's called Angels GATHERING the Saints!
 
Dec 29, 2021
1,317
314
83
You don't even know that Israel is going to attack Iran and the U.N. is scrambling for Peace.

This will create World War or a Peace Treaty!

Who will lead the Peace Treaty?

Christians only pay attention when Israel is Involved. Guess what, THEY ARE INVOLVED and forcing WAR!

According to Pre-trib theory, we should be Resurrected.

Why are we not resurrected?
 
Jul 23, 2018
12,199
2,775
113
Your lies are atrocious. I've shown you and others many many times what the Bible says.

There is ONE resurrection for the saved. Both dead and living all receive their glorified bodies together. Acts 24:15
That single resurrection occurs at the Second Advent, "when He comes" (1 Cor 15:23).
2 Thess 2:1 clearly states the "gathering (rapture) occurs "when Jesus comes", which is the Second Advent.
Rev 20:4,5 also clearly states the singular resurrection for the saved is called the FIRST resurrection (the one for the saved) and occurs "when He comes" back at the Second Advent.

But you only keep denying what you have been shown.
"""Rev 20:4,5 also clearly states the singular resurrection for the saved is called the FIRST resurrection (the one for the saved) and occurs "when He comes" back at the Second Advent."""
Lets see what it says
20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

That shoots down your ENTIRE PREMISE.

It says nothing at all about when they are resurrected.
Nor is it an indication of a singular resurrection.
Nor is it at his second coming.
It is WELL AFTER Armageddon.

You completely reframed it.
Unbelievable
 
Jul 23, 2018
12,199
2,775
113
You don't even know that Israel is going to attack Iran and the U.N. is scrambling for Peace.

This will create World War or a Peace Treaty!

Who will lead the Peace Treaty?

Christians only pay attention when Israel is Involved. Guess what, THEY ARE INVOLVED and forcing WAR!

According to Pre-trib theory, we should be Resurrected.

Why are we not resurrected?
is there some point to all that?
 
Status
Not open for further replies.