The False Teaching (& Truth) of what happens at the Rapture.
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Isaiah 26:19 Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.
Matthew 27:50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
Ephesians 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
17 This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind,
18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:
19 Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.
20 But ye have not so learned Christ;
21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:
22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.
Mark 12:26 And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?
27 He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.
Romans 14:7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
Revelation 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
AND THE DEAD IN CHRIST RISE BECAUSE THEY TO WILL BE JUDGED. AND they have to have a FIRST DEATH because that is a requirement when you are facing a SECOND one.
The alive and remaining are changed in the wink of an eye, THEY NEVER TASTE OF DEATH.
What is the secret? ALL WILL BE CHANGED by either dead and rising or being changed.
In answer to the first question.
Matthew 27:50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
Ephesians 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
17 This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind,
18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:
19 Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.
20 But ye have not so learned Christ;
21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:
22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.
Mark 12:26 And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?
27 He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.
Romans 14:7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
Revelation 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
AND THE DEAD IN CHRIST RISE BECAUSE THEY TO WILL BE JUDGED. AND they have to have a FIRST DEATH because that is a requirement when you are facing a SECOND one.
The alive and remaining are changed in the wink of an eye, THEY NEVER TASTE OF DEATH.
What is the secret? ALL WILL BE CHANGED by either dead and rising or being changed.
In answer to the first question.
I would start attending a different church if I were being taught this stuff
1 Corinthians 15:35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up and with what body do they come?
1 Corinthians 15:38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
1 Corinthians 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
1 Corinthians 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
No body less 'spirits' going to heaven EVEN when Jesus talked about paradise the Rich man could SEE Abraham and Lazarus so NO ONE WAS WITHOUT BODY.
1 Corinthians 15:35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up and with what body do they come?
1 Corinthians 15:38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
1 Corinthians 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
1 Corinthians 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
No body less 'spirits' going to heaven EVEN when Jesus talked about paradise the Rich man could SEE Abraham and Lazarus so NO ONE WAS WITHOUT BODY.
THANK YOU FOR THIS VERY IMPORTANT SERVICE YOU ARE PROVIDING.
ONE SIDE WORDS OF MAN followed by words of man followed by words of man proven to be lies yet not defended by anything but what would seem DELIGHT in mocking Gods words by more words of man. NEVER once going and showing the PRE TRIB BELIEF.
On the other side GODS WORDS FOLLOWED by Gods words followed by Gods words. Go back and read the last few pages and there are the confusing rantings of man words with no 'meat' and the words of God laid out one on top of another.
47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
49 I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?
50 But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished!
51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:
52 For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three.
ONE SIDE WORDS OF MAN followed by words of man followed by words of man proven to be lies yet not defended by anything but what would seem DELIGHT in mocking Gods words by more words of man. NEVER once going and showing the PRE TRIB BELIEF.
On the other side GODS WORDS FOLLOWED by Gods words followed by Gods words. Go back and read the last few pages and there are the confusing rantings of man words with no 'meat' and the words of God laid out one on top of another.
47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
49 I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?
50 But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished!
51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:
52 For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three.
Agreed. 
[I assume you agree these are not "SNATCHED / CAUGHT UP / RAPTURED"... and that they ENTER the MK age in their mortal bodies capable of reproducing / bearing children... am I reading you right?]
Agreed.
[I assume you agree that "resurrected" means "to stand again" (that is, on the earth)... and that these are not "SNATCHED / CAUGHT UP / RAPTURED" either... unless I am mis-reading you... Am I?]
[I assume you agree these are not "SNATCHED / CAUGHT UP / RAPTURED"... and that they ENTER the MK age in their mortal bodies capable of reproducing / bearing children... am I reading you right?]
Agreed.
[I assume you agree that "resurrected" means "to stand again" (that is, on the earth)... and that these are not "SNATCHED / CAUGHT UP / RAPTURED" either... unless I am mis-reading you... Am I?]
I do agree, Just unbelievable and ONCE AGAIN OMITTED VERSES? LET"S COMPARE THE ABOVE WITH
WHAT IS WRITTEN
Revelation 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
BY cutting off the FIRST COUPLE VERSES you have CHANGED the meaning of what is being given but even that isn't the problem
YOU have set FIRST to mean as the FIRST IN TIME as opposed to the FIRST IN IMPORTANCE OR PRINCIPAL.
BUT we all know that the graves were opened at His death and many arose.
So, since all the rest of those who sat upon the thrones hadn't lived and died at that time
WE CAN SAFELY take what you have put forth and file it as an UN TRUTH.
WHAT IS WRITTEN
Revelation 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
BY cutting off the FIRST COUPLE VERSES you have CHANGED the meaning of what is being given but even that isn't the problem
YOU have set FIRST to mean as the FIRST IN TIME as opposed to the FIRST IN IMPORTANCE OR PRINCIPAL.
BUT we all know that the graves were opened at His death and many arose.
So, since all the rest of those who sat upon the thrones hadn't lived and died at that time
WE CAN SAFELY take what you have put forth and file it as an UN TRUTH.
Agreed.
[I assume you agree these are not "SNATCHED / CAUGHT UP / RAPTURED"... and that they ENTER the MK age in their mortal bodies capable of reproducing / bearing children... am I reading you right?]
Agreed.
[I assume you agree that "resurrected" means "to stand again" (that is, on the earth)... and that these are not "SNATCHED / CAUGHT UP / RAPTURED" either... unless I am mis-reading you... Am I?]
[I assume you agree these are not "SNATCHED / CAUGHT UP / RAPTURED"... and that they ENTER the MK age in their mortal bodies capable of reproducing / bearing children... am I reading you right?]
Agreed.
[I assume you agree that "resurrected" means "to stand again" (that is, on the earth)... and that these are not "SNATCHED / CAUGHT UP / RAPTURED" either... unless I am mis-reading you... Am I?]
I agree, so let US see it as the gift that it is, to put forth GODS WORDS and truths and to sharpen our understanding and to be happy that anyone reading these are able to see for themselves GODs words in clear form without the confusion. And as we go on we can keep building upon this foundation of understanding.
I just posted that Jesus came to cause division and I believe it is because it really separates us. WE ON the other hand have got to do our best to 'crucify' the flesh and 'rise above' what comes at us and stick to the job at hand. Sharing Gods Good News.
Don't get me wrong, I LOOSE it. BUT Praise God, no where near as much as I did when I started. A work in progress....God bless you Heaven Bound
I just posted that Jesus came to cause division and I believe it is because it really separates us. WE ON the other hand have got to do our best to 'crucify' the flesh and 'rise above' what comes at us and stick to the job at hand. Sharing Gods Good News.
Don't get me wrong, I LOOSE it. BUT Praise God, no where near as much as I did when I started. A work in progress....God bless you Heaven Bound
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My goal is to point out the truth. If error gets muddied up, so what?
I am so tired of this repeated lie. So, instead, please tell me what these verses actually teach/refer to.
Acts 24:15
1 Cor 15:23
2 Thess 2:1
Rev 20:4,5
I'd like an honest explanation from you regarding these verses.
If you can prove the verse above do NOT support a single resurrection with all believers, dead or alive, receiving glorified bodies, please explain them so I can understand what they do teach.
As it is now, these verses FAR MORE support my view than your verses do yours.
Yes. I repented of my previous view.
Those who read my posts do.
[QOUTE]All you seem to know is we are somehow wrong.[/QUOTE]
Please please please explain the verses above which show they refer to something else then.
Unless you can reasonabily and rationally explain the verses above, you have no case. I am beyond convinced of my position BECAUSE of these verses. So, if I am wrong about them, please prove it by showing what they actually teach.
Exactly. You have no biblical evidence for a pretrib rapture and trip to heaven.
How interesting. You ASSUME there IS a pretrib rapture and trip to heaven even though there are no verses that show it.
See here? This is your whole problem; you have to come up with the most ridiculous thing. There is no defense in this poor example.
A pretrib rapture/trip to heaven is such a big deal that IF it were true, you bet the Bible would mention it. But all you have is your presumptions.
How do you know this since the Bible DOESN'T MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT IT?
Pssst; none of the verses mention the rapture or going to heaven.
Correct. you have no proof.
I am so tired of this repeated lie. So, instead, please tell me what these verses actually teach/refer to.
Acts 24:15
1 Cor 15:23
2 Thess 2:1
Rev 20:4,5
I'd like an honest explanation from you regarding these verses.
If you can prove the verse above do NOT support a single resurrection with all believers, dead or alive, receiving glorified bodies, please explain them so I can understand what they do teach.
As it is now, these verses FAR MORE support my view than your verses do yours.
Yes. I repented of my previous view.
Those who read my posts do.
[QOUTE]All you seem to know is we are somehow wrong.[/QUOTE]
Please please please explain the verses above which show they refer to something else then.
Unless you can reasonabily and rationally explain the verses above, you have no case. I am beyond convinced of my position BECAUSE of these verses. So, if I am wrong about them, please prove it by showing what they actually teach.
Exactly. You have no biblical evidence for a pretrib rapture and trip to heaven.
How interesting. You ASSUME there IS a pretrib rapture and trip to heaven even though there are no verses that show it.
See here? This is your whole problem; you have to come up with the most ridiculous thing. There is no defense in this poor example.
A pretrib rapture/trip to heaven is such a big deal that IF it were true, you bet the Bible would mention it. But all you have is your presumptions.
How do you know this since the Bible DOESN'T MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT IT?
Pssst; none of the verses mention the rapture or going to heaven.
Correct. you have no proof.
Your lies are atrocious. I've shown you and others many many times what the Bible says.
There is ONE resurrection for the saved. Both dead and living all receive their glorified bodies together. Acts 24:15
That single resurrection occurs at the Second Advent, "when He comes" (1 Cor 15:23).
2 Thess 2:1 clearly states the "gathering (rapture) occurs "when Jesus comes", which is the Second Advent.
Rev 20:4,5 also clearly states the singular resurrection for the saved is called the FIRST resurrection (the one for the saved) and occurs "when He comes" back at the Second Advent.
But you only keep denying what you have been shown.
There is ONE resurrection for the saved. Both dead and living all receive their glorified bodies together. Acts 24:15
That single resurrection occurs at the Second Advent, "when He comes" (1 Cor 15:23).
2 Thess 2:1 clearly states the "gathering (rapture) occurs "when Jesus comes", which is the Second Advent.
Rev 20:4,5 also clearly states the singular resurrection for the saved is called the FIRST resurrection (the one for the saved) and occurs "when He comes" back at the Second Advent.
But you only keep denying what you have been shown.
Ridiculous claim AGAIN. v.5 ends w9th "this is the FIRST resurrection" and you have the gall to claim "there is no resurrection in Rev 20.
This is why nothing gets through to you. Too thick to penetrate..
Where do you see Jesus being resurrected anywhere in Rev 20? What an absurd understanding. Jesus' resurrection occurred around 33 AD and THAT is the "firstfruits". No one else involved.
1 Cor 15;23 - But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.
Did you catch the "then when He comes"? That's the Second Advent. And who will be involved then? "those who belong to Him". That would be ALL believers from Adam forward.
Acts 26:23 - that the Messiah would suffer and, as the first to rise from the dead, would bring the message of light to his own people and to the Gentiles.”
This verse proves that Jesus Christ was the FIRST human to receive a glorified body. All believers get theirs when He comes back.
No one claims that.
You did not factor in clear verses that refute your view..
This is why nothing gets through to you. Too thick to penetrate..
Where do you see Jesus being resurrected anywhere in Rev 20? What an absurd understanding. Jesus' resurrection occurred around 33 AD and THAT is the "firstfruits". No one else involved.
1 Cor 15;23 - But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.
Did you catch the "then when He comes"? That's the Second Advent. And who will be involved then? "those who belong to Him". That would be ALL believers from Adam forward.
Acts 26:23 - that the Messiah would suffer and, as the first to rise from the dead, would bring the message of light to his own people and to the Gentiles.”
This verse proves that Jesus Christ was the FIRST human to receive a glorified body. All believers get theirs when He comes back.
No one claims that.
You did not factor in clear verses that refute your view..
There is only one resurrection for the saved.
Acts 24:15 shows one for the saved and one for the unsaved.
Matt 22:30, Luke 14:14 and 1 Cor 15:23 all speak of the resurrection of the saved in the SINGULAR.
And 2 Thess 2:1 and 1 Cor 15:23 and Rev 20:5 all show that singular resurrection occurring at the end of the Trib "when He comes".
Acts 24:15 shows one for the saved and one for the unsaved.
Matt 22:30, Luke 14:14 and 1 Cor 15:23 all speak of the resurrection of the saved in the SINGULAR.
And 2 Thess 2:1 and 1 Cor 15:23 and Rev 20:5 all show that singular resurrection occurring at the end of the Trib "when He comes".
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